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TRT & Reta? Reta dosing?

SB Labs
I've used higher doses and I still can eat like a horse if I want to but the urge to actually want to pig out is not there if that makes sense I'm still able to eat when I need to

I am only at 2.5 but I have noticed since the beginning I can eat when I need to but I don’t have the craving to overeat. Even when I tried to (had been busy and didn’t eat all day) I still wound up only getting about 650 calories in because my brain just went “I don’t want anymore, this is a good stopping point”. I could have definitely force fed myself but it just wasn’t appealing
 
I've used higher doses and I still can eat like a horse if I want to but the urge to actually want to pig out is not there if that makes sense I'm still able to eat when I need to

Same here. I’m sometimes hungry and in the past when I’d eat with that feeling I’d end up in too much of a surplus (which is why I track now lol). But I’ve found that with Reta, and to a similar if much lesser extent tirz, I can actually trust my hunger to keep me at whatever weight my dosage corresponds to (I have a theory it’s actually more that a dose corresponds like a rheostat to a BF percentage rather than weight, as that’s been my experience and makes sense in my head as fat is a potent physiological and hormonallu active tissue wrt signaling).

iow if my activity is higher than usual, my hunger goes with it and my weight/BF stays the same - or even a bit of recomp with the GH in there and keeping weight steady, although once the BF% changes significantly the dose needs to shift or I gain/lose weight to get back to that BF%. It’s kinda wild tbh

It’s like being able to dial in a physique and feedback level from your bod. I really like the feeling of eating to hunger and knowing it sort of targets a BF% for me. In my last gain phase I was on tirz and serially dropped the dose to allow BF to slightly/slowly move up in a surplus and weight to move up even more. Was a great run. Now I’m on Reta and have been in maint/health for a few months and looking forward to trying the same approach this next gain phase with the Reta.

Also, not sure if it’s the Reta/GH (vs tirz/GH last cycle), but I’m on like 190mg/wk cyp and 140mg/wk primo (so a “TRT plus” health phase - but bloodwork has been immaculate and I feel terrific) and have been lifting like I’m on two or three times that level of anabolic helpers. Feels like I’m lifting as if on a much bigger cycle and walking around feelz/bloodwork is like a pure health phase. Kinda wild and not sure of exactly the cause, but I’ll take it lol


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Same here. I’m sometimes hungry and in the past when I’d eat with that feeling I’d end up in too much of a surplus (which is why I track now lol). But I’ve found that with Reta, and to a similar if much lesser extent tirz, I can actually trust my hunger to keep me at whatever weight my dosage corresponds to (I have a theory it’s actually more that a dose corresponds like a rheostat to a BF percentage rather than weight, as that’s been my experience and makes sense in my head as fat is a potent physiological and hormonallu active tissue wrt signaling).

iow if my activity is higher than usual, my hunger goes with it and my weight/BF stays the same - or even a bit of recomp with the GH in there and keeping weight steady, although once the BF% changes significantly the dose needs to shift or I gain/lose weight to get back to that BF%. It’s kinda wild tbh

It’s like being able to dial in a physique and feedback level from your bod. I really like the feeling of eating to hunger and knowing it sort of targets a BF% for me. In my last gain phase I was on tirz and serially dropped the dose to allow BF to slightly/slowly move up in a surplus and weight to move up even more. Was a great run. Now I’m on Reta and have been in maint/health for a few months and looking forward to trying the same approach this next gain phase with the Reta.

Also, not sure if it’s the Reta/GH (vs tirz/GH last cycle), but I’m on like 190mg/wk cyp and 140mg/wk primo (so a “TRT plus” health phase - but bloodwork has been immaculate and I feel terrific) and have been lifting like I’m on two or three times that level of anabolic helpers. Feels like I’m lifting as if on a much bigger cycle and walking around feelz/bloodwork is like a pure health phase. Kinda wild and not sure of exactly the cause, but I’ll take it lol


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I definitely think there is some hidden magic with GH and Reta. Buddy is just over a week in and he went from good lifts and a strong recomp on Reta alone to looking like he’s blasting and mid cycle (he hasnt ran gear yet this was his first foray into any sort of PED beyond store bought preworkout).

Like immediate fullness in the muscles, shrink wrapped skin and insane endurance
 
Same here. I’m sometimes hungry and in the past when I’d eat with that feeling I’d end up in too much of a surplus (which is why I track now lol). But I’ve found that with Reta, and to a similar if much lesser extent tirz, I can actually trust my hunger to keep me at whatever weight my dosage corresponds to (I have a theory it’s actually more that a dose corresponds like a rheostat to a BF percentage rather than weight, as that’s been my experience and makes sense in my head as fat is a potent physiological and hormonallu active tissue wrt signaling).

iow if my activity is higher than usual, my hunger goes with it and my weight/BF stays the same - or even a bit of recomp with the GH in there and keeping weight steady, although once the BF% changes significantly the dose needs to shift or I gain/lose weight to get back to that BF%. It’s kinda wild tbh

It’s like being able to dial in a physique and feedback level from your bod. I really like the feeling of eating to hunger and knowing it sort of targets a BF% for me. In my last gain phase I was on tirz and serially dropped the dose to allow BF to slightly/slowly move up in a surplus and weight to move up even more. Was a great run. Now I’m on Reta and have been in maint/health for a few months and looking forward to trying the same approach this next gain phase with the Reta.

Also, not sure if it’s the Reta/GH (vs tirz/GH last cycle), but I’m on like 190mg/wk cyp and 140mg/wk primo (so a “TRT plus” health phase - but bloodwork has been immaculate and I feel terrific) and have been lifting like I’m on two or three times that level of anabolic helpers. Feels like I’m lifting as if on a much bigger cycle and walking around feelz/bloodwork is like a pure health phase. Kinda wild and not sure of exactly the cause, but I’ll take it lol


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What did you start with on Reta? Thinking of going low at .5 but might just start at 1
 
So just took my first .5mg of Reta this afternoon. Not sure if it’s mental or what, but took the shot at 6:30, at dinner at 7:15 and had no appetite.

No way it works that fast lol, right? Had to be mental…
 
What did you start with on Reta? Thinking of going low at .5 but might just start at 1

I switched from tirz to Reta and titrate onto it. Was on 10 of tirz and basically dropped tirz by 2 and increased Reta by two each week for a month plus one week at 2/8. On 8 Reta atm and able to stay in maintenance to a slight surplus without thinking and feel really good (none of the nausea or constipation or diarrhea others get, although I do have some allodynia but it’s decreased a lot to an easily tolerated level). Going to decrease some shortly as I’m going to go into a slight surplus (250-300cal/day). Prolly 6mg.

I know others get what they need from lower doses, which is where I’d start if I was starting new (0.5 or 1mg to start, which is what I did with Tirz a couple years back), but this is what’s working for me atm. YMMV obvs


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I found myself going hypo off 2mg. Can’t do whey protein without carbs anymore or I go hypo everytime. Apparently whey causes just enough of an insulin spike than now I am too sensitive. I can eat chicken or beef by itself and be fine but I learned my lesson after testing at 57 like 30 minutes post whey shake
Wait wait wait.... I think you might've just solved a huge problem for me. I drink my 50g protein shake before heading to the gym and have to fight off passing out every time. Definitely looking into this. If some carbs help tomorrow I'll be thrilled. I've always eaten after the gym- not before.
 
Wait wait wait.... I think you might've just solved a huge problem for me. I drink my 50g protein shake before heading to the gym and have to fight off passing out every time. Definitely looking into this. If some carbs help tomorrow I'll be thrilled. I've always eaten after the gym- not before.
Yup.


It’s due to the fast absorption and high amount of amino acids (BCAA are the prime driver of the insulin spike I believe).

For an average person you probably wouldn’t notice much BUT add in something that jacks up your insulin sensitivity like a mother fucker?

I’ve found adding carbs to my pre workout shake has helped tremendously with my energy during workouts on Reta. The improved nutrient partitioning and insulin sensitive gives me better pumps and makes me feel less bloated and overall shitty.

But my post workout is ALWAYS some cream of rice with a whey shake. Then some yogurt with a protein/fiber cereal an hour later and I’m good. I can eat just straight chicken breast the rest of the day without any low blood sugar but the last time I did just protein and fiber all day and then had a whey shake while driving home my BG hit 57 an hour later
 
SB Labs
I am only at 2.5 but I have noticed since the beginning I can eat when I need to but I don’t have the craving to overeat. Even when I tried to (had been busy and didn’t eat all day) I still wound up only getting about 650 calories in because my brain just went “I don’t want anymore, this is a good stopping point”. I could have definitely force fed myself but it just wasn’t appealing
Maybe it's the quality or genetics reacts differently cause I took .1 and had immediate appetite suppression I'm only on .2 and have had amazing results
 
I feel
Maybe it's the quality or genetics reacts differently cause I took .1 and had immediate appetite suppression I'm only on .2 and have had amazing results
I definitely think a lot of it is genetics. I was getting good results at .5 my body just burned through the suppression super fast so I kept titrating up. I also wasn’t having negative sides so I kept pushing further.
 
I started Reta at 2mg every 6 days. Food noise and appetite was immediately gone. Did that for 4 weeks then started cjc 1295/ipamorelin nightly. Sleep was amazing but I noticed food noise creeping back in. I didn’t put the pieces together that my ghrelin was higher from the secretagogues so I upped my dose of Reta to 3.5 mg once a week. At 3.5 I’m getting random bouts of nausea throughout the day and finding it almost impossible to eat. I’ll be going back down to 2 mg on my next dose as I think that’s the sweet spot for me.
 
I definitely think there is some hidden magic with GH and Reta. Buddy is just over a week in and he went from good lifts and a strong recomp on Reta alone to looking like he’s blasting and mid cycle (he hasnt ran gear yet this was his first foray into any sort of PED beyond store bought preworkout).

Like immediate fullness in the muscles, shrink wrapped skin and insane endurance

I can co-sign this…

I’m cutting currently on 525mg/week test e, 4mg/week reta and 5iu/day hgh. My past experience with reta has been that it makes me flat and it makes it harder to hold onto glycogen.

With hgh added, that issues is resolved and it really doesn’t feel or look like I’m in a deficit. Pumps are good, shoulders are popped, strength is constant. But I’m only a few weeks into it and hopefully it sticks throughout.
 
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Wait wait wait.... I think you might've just solved a huge problem for me. I drink my 50g protein shake before heading to the gym and have to fight off passing out every time. Definitely looking into this. If some carbs help tomorrow I'll be thrilled. I've always eaten after the gym- not before.

What I do to circumvent this is instead of just simple carbs and whey, I use a meal replacement powder as my pre/intra workout.

Example:

50 grams Animal Meal 30 min prior

25 grams maltodextrin + 25 grams pea protein isolate (or whey if you prefer) intra workout

This another reason I prefer not to snack or do “6-7 small meals” when cutting. It’s not just an insulin sensitivity thing but also when you get to a certain size, random shit makes you go hypo
 
I have to be this guy and ask in your first post you said you went to use reta to lean out than follow it uo saying your diet is on point but than you say your 20% body fat. If your 20
% I highly doubt your diet is on point
 
I started Reta at 2mg every 6 days. Food noise and appetite was immediately gone. Did that for 4 weeks then started cjc 1295/ipamorelin nightly. Sleep was amazing but I noticed food noise creeping back in. I didn’t put the pieces together that my ghrelin was higher from the secretagogues so I upped my dose of Reta to 3.5 mg once a week. At 3.5 I’m getting random bouts of nausea throughout the day and finding it almost impossible to eat. I’ll be going back down to 2 mg on my next dose as I think that’s the sweet spot for me.
Why not drop to 3 or 2.5? I’ve been titrating up by .5mg and 2.5mg is quite a bit more effective than 2. You might find 3 or 2.5 is good
 
I have to be this guy and ask in your first post you said you went to use reta to lean out than follow it uo saying your diet is on point but than you say your 20% body fat. If your 20
% I highly doubt your diet is on point
I mean his diet could be on point for losing fat. My diet was anything but good when I was 240 at 30+% but it was on point throughout the cut down to 180
 
I mean his diet could be on point for losing fat. My diet was anything but good when I was 240 at 30+% but it was on point throughout the cut down to 180
It could be a possibility a coin flip to decide since we don’t have anything else to go on. I guess my key point I should have touched on is if you aren’t severely overweight just diet the old fashioned way to see what your body does and reacts what works what doesn’t. Never going to know unless you try and unless you change habits idc what your on trace Reta etc you’ll just end uo getting it all back
 
Why not drop to 3 or 2.5? I’ve been titrating up by .5mg and 2.5mg is quite a bit more effective than 2. You might find 3 or 2.5 is good
Because honestly I’m already so close to my goal weight that how I look in the mirror is becoming more important than what the scale says. I’m 49 lbs down since January 1st so I’ve been dieting pretty hardcore for 4 months. Plan is to reverse diet until I find what my new maintenance calories are then run a smaller 300ish calorie deficit and shift to more of a recomp strategy. I’m starting TRT this week so I can’t wait to see myself in the mirror in another 4 months
 
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It could be a possibility a coin flip to decide since we don’t have anything else to go on. I guess my key point I should have touched on is if you aren’t severely overweight just diet the old fashioned way to see what your body does and reacts what works what doesn’t. Never going to know unless you try and unless you change habits idc what your on trace Reta etc you’ll just end uo getting it all back
True. I have always advocated making sure diet is where it needs to be before adding drugs but Reta has me sort of rethinking that approach. NOT saying to just take Reta and eat like shit. Can’t stand the shitfluencers posting how they eat ice cream and shit on Reta and still get shredded. But if it can help control the cravings so that you can more readily make healthy choices then I can forgive using it at a higher bodyfat. I mean it was designed for more obese folks and having struggled for a few months with cravings when I first dieted down I would have loved the lessened noise
 
Because honestly I’m already so close to my goal weight that how I look in the mirror is becoming more important than what the scale says. I’m 49 lbs down since January 1st so I’ve been dieting pretty hardcore for 4 months. Plan is to reverse diet until I find what my new maintenance calories are then run a smaller 300ish calorie deficit and shift to more of a recomp strategy. I’m starting TRT this week so I can’t wait to see myself in the mirror in another 4 months
That makes sense. I’m actually working up to 3 and going to see where it goes on 3mg of Reta and 2ius of GH. Seeing it do phenomenal things on a friend and we had similar results on the same doses of Reta (he’s 6 weeks ahead of me cuz I was being chicken shit over taking it LOL).

But definitely gotta cut it back if you’re trying to add some calories in
 
That makes sense. I’m actually working up to 3 and going to see where it goes on 3mg of Reta and 2ius of GH. Seeing it do phenomenal things on a friend and we had similar results on the same doses of Reta (he’s 6 weeks ahead of me cuz I was being chicken shit over taking it LOL).

But definitely gotta cut it back if you’re trying to add some calories
Most definitely. Reta is such a cheat code though. I’ve got my boss and another coworker on it because they saw my progress and wanted in on the action lol It won’t do all the work for you, but for someone like me who had an addictive relationship to food it helped me break the cycle of chasing the dopamine hit that eating like shit gave me
 
Most definitely. Reta is such a cheat code though. I’ve got my boss and another coworker on it because they saw my progress and wanted in on the action lol It won’t do all the work for you, but for someone like me who had an addictive relationship to food it helped me break the cycle of chasing the dopamine hit that eating like shit gave me
Yup. I was burnt out from dieting and was pretty good at just eating the same things everyday and ignoring cravings but having NO food cravings really helped rewire my brain for a lot of things. I think if people were making sure to make healthy changes it’s a great tool even to just START your fat loss phase. Especially in people who aren’t as dedicated to the gym. Hard to feel motivated when you’re already feeling like shit. And the time it can take to see real progress naturally can be the trigger that causes people to quit. I used to see it all the time at the gym
 
I have to be this guy and ask in your first post you said you went to use reta to lean out than follow it uo saying your diet is on point but than you say your 20% body fat. If your 20
% I highly doubt your diet is on point
It’s been 90-95% strict for about 10-11 weeks. Was even fatter at about 26%. Used to sit around 12-18% for most of my adult life until I got a job that has an insane commute, which got me fat and lazy.

Also disheartening that I started TRT and immediately put on 8 lbs of water weight that is finally leveling out. Now just trying to kick it up a notch with Reta
 

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