Tren cardio. Can someone please tell me why tren seems to hold down heart rate aerobically.? And make you winded?

[BBC3]

Hi new yes yes.. ANyways I am also new to tren and been microdosing 200/wk tri tren and before that tren E. I think I prefer the E. I don't think I like ace at all even though 50mgs just pumped me shitless strong instantly. But anyways I am doing a bunch of AEROBIC cardio to lose weight as I have read that tren can burn visceral fat in the gut. What eludes me is how winded i get and yet my HR does not climb over 130 BPM even working balls to the wall. And then it even starts lowering down once the effort level adjust out in my system like I was some kind a super athlete. I suspect that the reason for the huffing is actually due to HR being too low because of the tren not letting BPM come up. Its really weird. I also find low dose tren to kill my appetite which I like. And its really almost having a long term effect perhaps due to a prolonged learned response I dont know. I just discontinued after a couple months of that light dose to gain some sight of where I stand.

 

[lefty556]

I don't know the exact causes of that, I'm sure others can weigh in, but it is extremely common for tren to wreck cardio. I think it was Wiseguy on the forum that I read that he would use GW Cardarine in the tren runs to negate the cardio impact and have normal cardio sessions like pre-tren.

Also wanted to add, the Cardarine will help bigly on cardio even without tren, and it does help with fat loss by some nutrient partitioning actions where your body, when burning fuel, will prefer fat, and you'll get a greater edge of fatloss when running it alongside regular cardio.

 

[BeefCake3000]

What's your BP?

 

[BBC3]

What's your BP?

Probably averages 145/low 90s walking around but gets low sleeping. Its also interesting that my HR is over 100 walking around. Then I can bust ass on aerobic equip and get a lot of work done under 130bpm. Its weird to sit down on a recumbent bike at an instant 110bpm and then go to a full work load at 75% of what the machine can produce and stay under 140. I am not even sure how to interpret. No bp meds involved. Just moderate drank and some Kpinz... maybe an occasional aspirin and Q-10...

So I appear to have a lack of tolerance for walking around. But a good tolerance for work. Its crazy. And then comes the light tren dose and the heavy breathing steps up..

I also recently found out that mixing tren ace with tcyp in the same barrel completely changes the effect. Its almost like the tren combines with the test I swear.. It could just be that the test is taking precedence at the receptors I dont know any more honestly I feel like I am in a blind hunt for what worx to make me strong and kill this belly...

 

[BBC3]

I don't know the exact causes of that, I'm sure others can weigh in, but it is extremely common for tren to wreck cardio. I think it was Wiseguy on the forum that I read that he would use GW Cardarine in the tren runs to negate the cardio impact and have normal cardio sessions like pre-tren.

Also wanted to add, the Cardarine will help bigly on cardio even without tren, and it does help with fat loss by some nutrient partitioning actions where your body, when burning fuel, will prefer fat, and you'll get a greater edge of fatloss when running it alongside regular cardio.

Cardarine's reported cancer effects scare the shit out of me tho. Yes I have heard it will completely negated the tren winding when heavy lifting.

 

[BeefCake3000]

That's high, but not enough that I'd assume your BP is solely responsible.

Steroids do cause myocardial hypertrophy, which can be mitigated by keeping blood pressure low and staying on top of cardio.

Tren also dries you out, which might also play a role.

It's probably a combination of factors, but here are some things I think might help.

Creatine, which I assume you are already taking. This improves heart function, especially when under duress (your heart is a muscle after all).
COQ10, which is subtle but helps with energy levels and cardio some. Not a miracle drug, and some days I hardly notice it.
Cialis or Viagra, although I'd use Cialis for the longer half life. It helps improve circulation.

Other than that, I'd get your blood work checked and maybe ask your doc to get you on BP meds. High BP is a silent killer, so you'll want to get this under control regardless.

 

[Broserker]

200 tren is far from a micro dose, that’s what they give cows lol.

That dose will certainly affect your cardio output by quite a bit. Get your BP under control with a med if needed (Telmisartan). Carditone / Nattokinase are excellent natural options.

 

[bigdadybry]

Cardarine's reported cancer effects scare the shit out of me tho. Yes I have heard it will completely negated the tren winding when heavy lifting.

When I dug into it, the cancer effects due to Cardarine were greatly exaggerated or pure BS.
I posted it on another forum and will find it for you if you want it.

For example, the rats used in the study were given the equivalent of 3-5 times the standard human dosage equivalent, and were given it from birth to death. This rat lifespan is the equivalent to 70 human years. So, multiple times the dose a human would be given, and for their whole life. Don't quote me on the numbers I used ("3-5 times" and "70 human years"), but from memory, they are close. Without the numbers, the facts of the study are correct (multiple times the normal dose and for their lifetime).

The rats used may have also been the ones with altered telomere length to provide fast results, but with higher cancer risk. Definitely don't quote me on this. I remember the other two facts much more clearly.

 

[Broserker]

If you really take the time to dig into most rat studies, they’re kind of all bullshit. They are often skewed to pretty much fit whatever narrative is being pushed. Combine that with the fact that literally everything causes rat cells to mutate.

 

[BigDaddySavage]

When I dug into it, the cancer effects due to Cardarine were greatly exaggerated or pure BS.
I posted it on another forum and will find it for you if you want it.

For example, the rats used in the study were given the equivalent of 3-5 times the standard human dosage equivalent, and were given it from birth to death. This rat lifespan is the equivalent to 70 human years. So, multiple times the dose a human would be given, and for their whole life. Don't quote me on the numbers I used ("3-5 times" and "70 human years"), but from memory, they are close. Without the numbers, the facts of the study are correct (multiple times the normal dose and for their lifetime).

The rats used may have also been the ones with altered telomere length to provide fast results, but with higher cancer risk. Definitely don't quote me on this. I remember the other two facts much more clearly.

Exactly right.

 

[Algz]

I get exactly like that. Though not used Tren. For me I think it’s just overtaxing myself.. Too much Cardio/weights/deficit/gear long cut.. Tonight I did exactly that 40 minutes of blah 115bpm average then legs was a blah workout after..
as it happens I’m currently on a GW combo.. Yes it works and so far it’s amazing.. I got checked head to toe before HGH 6months ago for cancer so we will see.. lol.

I mean if your doing Tren to burn fat is 501516/0742 really too far to reach.. have they ever given Tren Ace to rats..

Edit to add: oh yeah Mighty Mouse wonder if he lived as long as Mickey?

 

[Meetketchup]

It is due to higher blood pressure and vascular constriction. Also impacts red blood cell count.

 

[Hablooblah]

Bronchoconstriction and reduced cardiovascular efficiency. Its common for cardio to suffer when running tren. And 200mg is not a micro dose.

 

[Wiseguy]

Cardarine's reported cancer effects scare the shit out of me tho. Yes I have heard it will completely negated the tren winding when heavy lifting.

Ive have been using cardarine for about 10 years. Will not run tren without it. (I don't do tren anymore) It was a game changer and completely eliminated any tren related issues. Now with that said that cancer story is about one study with rats that they gave outrageous amounts. I have not heard or read any actual human being that got cancer due to cardarine. If you find a post please copy the link so I can read it.
With that said If you feel uncomfortable don't use it brother its simple.

 

[Bigdaddyjak]

Most people read one article about cardarine and cancer . And not the article that tells you they used 10xs the human dose on a rat for xx amount of time , and that’s all the info the read about it !!

 

[Meetketchup]

Most people read one article about cardarine and cancer . And not the article that tells you they used 10xs the human dose on a rat for xx amount of time , and that’s all the info the read about it !!

100% People don't realize that rodents get cancer extremely easy and the dosages used i the study were absolutely stupid.

In over 10 years how many cases have you heard of cancer being attributed to abusing GW50516? Exactly, none.

 

[Wiseguy]

100% People don't realize that rodents get cancer extremely easy and the dosages used i the study were absolutely stupid.

In over 10 years how many cases have you heard of cancer being attributed to abusing GW50516? Exactly, none.

Exactly. I keep researching for medical or control studies from accredited universities or medical facilities and I have yet to find one study or finding linking cancer related to GW. That rat study is the only one out there.

 

[big_rich]

100% People don't realize that rodents get cancer extremely easy and the dosages used i the study were absolutely stupid.

In over 10 years how many cases have you heard of cancer being attributed to abusing GW50516? Exactly, none.

I am a huge fan of gw. I Used it alot when I was boxing years and years ago.. It has a bad name as u stated because the one study they did on it. It wasn't a real world application and not a dose humans would ever use. Now I always say do your own research. If that study is enough for you to drop the gw by all means. But the endurance you get from it is nuts. There was a company i can't remember the name I did a sponsored log for them back in the day. It was gw in oil I believe it was that was the best gw I ever used. Never ran anything as good since but gw is still an amazing compound.