Testosterone for Women...

[malfeasance]

I'll be back when I have time to break this shit down point by point and demolish it.

I thought you were super busy and worked 20 hours a day?



Drop it already.

 

[elit3keraed]

Just because I am curious if this shit storm will get any worse.

Giving your wife test to help her keep up is like giving your kids test so they can keep up. Utterly batshit insane. You don't go out and buy a tank to deal with the gopher in your backyard. Add a little of this and a little of that to take care of the problem. Don't wipe out your whole neighborhood.

My wife has run a ton of shit. She also has dealt with a ton of sides, some permanent and some temporary. You're not going to find a "mechanism of action" that keeps anavar from virilization. Its the Anabolic Androgenic ratio that is what somewhat determines sides. But that being said dosage will play a huge part. My wife's voice changed on 15mg of var a day. But aside from some increased endurance and minor fat loss, she got very little out of it...and she is an eat, sleep, breathe powerlifter/bodybuilder.

She has also worked up to 100mg of test prop a day when prepping for a meet. I think her "heaviest" was 50mg of prop, 75mg tren a and 50mg mast with 100mg TNE shot preworkout about a month out. She's no stranger to ridiculous dosages to help bring her higher up, but again, weights is a way of life to her, not a "job" fun is hitting her max squat, bench and deadlift all in 1 gym session.


If your wife is curious, she should be the one on here learning. Not you. Not trying to be a dick, but it's really how it should be. I was only able to help my wife so much before she had to figure it out because I am not in her body feeling the side effects. I am not the one dealing with bloat or libido issues or aches and pains. It's not to say my experience with compounds can't be of assistance, like dealing with tren heartburn or hunger pangs on npp, but ultimately only she knows whats going on with herself.


If she isn't willing to attack the weights, odds are she isn't willing to accept the sides and consequences of AAS. Even var. If she is "up there" age wise, adding an iu of hgh could be of some benefit, but that's really the only "drug" that would fit in the situation.

 

[chocolatemalt]

I find this slamming of judgementalist to be a little silly... not seeing anything in his research that indicates he's going to abuse the wife or deceive her with unwanted hormones pushed on her. Feels like paranoia to me, and his research efforts on the subject here are clearly in the upper 99% of what we usually see. He'll soon be more informed than most of us just by sheer force of will.

If his wife is "up there" in years she may well benefit from HRT just like most of us, and T supplementation (alongside progesterone) is the latest recommended approach for women since it will also boost estrogen via aromatization. Whether this is a normal HRT dose or something higher for athletic purposes is another question depending on her goals.

Judge, why not bring the wife on here with her own account to argue her side of the story? Been done many times in the forum.

 

[BTC]

My wife is on self prescribed trt. Best decision she's made (her words). Sounds like your wife just wants to be "fit" and aas is the last thing in the world she needs

 

[judgmentalist]

I thought you were super busy and worked 20 hours a day?



Drop it already.

Dropped


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[Southbeach1]

OK so my wife is feeling a little left out of the loop now that I'm getting back on track with eating healthy and working out and of course I'm going to be on TRT/possibly other stuff as well.

I've been reading about the effects of a small amount of exogenous testosterone on a woman. I have considered the possibility of helping my wife kickstart her return to a healthy lifestyle this way. I've talk to her about it a little, That it would make it easier for her to burn a little fat, build a little muscle, have more energy etc. etc. she seems interested.

Of course, this would have the added benefit of making her more favorably disposed toward certain other extracurricular activities.

It would also be nice if I could get her to be obsessed with working out so she wouldn't give me such a hard time about being at the gym all the time.

What do you guys think?


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I think anyone that would give their wife testosterone is either crazy or secretly gay and really wants to be married to a male.

 

[judgmentalist]

I think anyone that would give their wife testosterone is either crazy or secretly gay and really wants to be married to a male.

Prior to this moment I have not personally had enough interaction with you to bother forming an opinion as to your character or potential value to the species. Having said that, I have read enough of your posts to know you either like arguing or can't figure out how to avoid it. Either way, I have no interest in providing this evening's entertainment.

On a related note, I recently figured out how to unsubscribe from threads that have proven to be... less than useful.


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[Southbeach1]

Prior to this moment I have not personally had enough interaction with you to bother forming an opinion as to your character or potential value to the species. Having said that, I have read enough of your posts to know you either like arguing or can't figure out how to avoid it. Either way, I have no interest in providing this evening's entertainment.

On a related note, I recently figured out how to unsubscribe from threads that have proven to be... less than useful.


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It was a joke man relax.

Seriously though I don't see why you would want to give a female testosterone when there are so many other ways she could reach her goals. So many safer compounds she could use. I've been around this, I used to train, for years, with an IFBB pro bodybuilder who was female. I'll just tell you it's really easy to take a little too much and get irreversible side effects that I don't think she wants. I'm just saying do it another way, she can reach her goals and stay totally how she is now if done right. Remember, these compounds like Test, Deca, even winstrol(which many women believe is OK to take but really isnt) change the face, the way she looks, talks. Just be safe all I'm saying.

Unless she wants to be Ms. Olympia then it's another story totally.

 

[judgmentalist]

It was a joke man relax.

Seriously though I don't see why you would want to give a female testosterone when there are so many other ways she could reach her goals. So many safer compounds she could use. I've been around this, I used to train, for years, with an IFBB pro bodybuilder who was female. I'll just tell you it's really easy to take a little too much and get irreversible side effects that I don't think she wants. I'm just saying do it another way, she can reach her goals and stay totally how she is now if done right. Remember, these compounds like Test, Deca, even winstrol(which many women believe is OK to take but really isnt) change the face, the way she looks, talks. Just be safe all I'm saying.

Unless she wants to be Ms. Olympia then it's another story totally.

The first article I read the first time female AAS use became of interest to me mentioned testosterone. It seemed to be very positive about the results a tiny amount of testosterone could produce in women. It did not discuss any other substances. Since I first posted this thread my perspective has changed quite a bit.


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[GarlicChicken]

Many women have very low testosterone levels these days, same problem men are having. My fiancee is a good example. She was testing consistently at 7ng/dL, which is way too low for her age. Her psych doctor was actually the one that brought the subject up originally. Turns out she's really low, which explained many of the symptoms she had, just like men do with low T. Of course her regular doctor is an idiot and won't prescribe any testosterone because, you know, it's the devil. So we started her on 10mg test Cyp a week. Symptoms reversed, metabolism went from 0 to 100, more energy, all the ways you should feel when you're normal. It's a night and day difference.

Now this isn't something I suggest people do unless they've put in a ton of research and know how to test levels during different points in a woman's cycle. Also, higher than a little over standard range is what causes all the side effects. She has literally none except a crazy sex drive

 

[Southbeach1]

Many women have very low testosterone levels these days, same problem men are having. My fiancee is a good example. She was testing consistently at 7ng/dL, which is way too low for her age. Her psych doctor was actually the one that brought the subject up originally. Turns out she's really low, which explained many of the symptoms she had, just like men do with low T. Of course her regular doctor is an idiot and won't prescribe any testosterone because, you know, it's the devil. So we started her on 10mg test Cyp a week. Symptoms reversed, metabolism went from 0 to 100, more energy, all the ways you should feel when you're normal. It's a night and day difference.

Now this isn't something I suggest people do unless they've put in a ton of research and know how to test levels during different points in a woman's cycle. Also, higher than a little over standard range is what causes all the side effects. She has literally none except a crazy sex drive

This makes sense. If your going to give a female testosterone you have to watch the numbers I suppose not let them get too high.

 

[chocolatemalt]

Many women have very low testosterone levels these days, same problem men are having. My fiancee is a good example. She was testing consistently at 7ng/dL, which is way too low for her age. Her psych doctor was actually the one that brought the subject up originally. Turns out she's really low, which explained many of the symptoms she had, just like men do with low T. Of course her regular doctor is an idiot and won't prescribe any testosterone because, you know, it's the devil. So we started her on 10mg test Cyp a week. Symptoms reversed, metabolism went from 0 to 100, more energy, all the ways you should feel when you're normal. It's a night and day difference.

Now this isn't something I suggest people do unless they've put in a ton of research and know how to test levels during different points in a woman's cycle. Also, higher than a little over standard range is what causes all the side effects. She has literally none except a crazy sex drive

Where did that 10mg/wk put her, ng/dl wise? Twice a week pins just like men?

I have a friend who may benefit... natty levels are already middle of the range but she may feel better at the higher end -- would apply to E2 as well via aromatization, of course. No virilization or BB-level muscle mass desired though.

 

[GarlicChicken]

Where did that 10mg/wk put her, ng/dl wise? Twice a week pins just like men?

I have a friend who may benefit... natty levels are already middle of the range but she may feel better at the higher end -- would apply to E2 as well via aromatization, of course. No virilization or BB-level muscle mass desired though.

~10mg a week split into two pins gets her at right around 80ng three days post injection. Now I say "about" 10mg/week because honestly, it's really difficult to be real precise without cutting the gear down lol. She's using a bottle of my prescription test cyp now, which is dosed at 200mg/mL. We bumped her up a little bit to probably 15/wk a couple weeks ago. She knows she's pushing it a little but as long as there's no real sides she's okay with it. We haven't noticed anything thus far other than increased metabolism and pumps. It's amazing the results she gets from such a small amount.

I just got some sterile filtered MCT oil, vials, and filters in so we can cut the concentration down at least halfway. That way we can dose much more accurately. Even with a slin pin there's a lot of variance for a woman, since 2-3mg extra can make a night and day difference.

The only side effects she really gets is the sex drive and a little bit oily skin. Not much though. Just be careful and really monitor her blood work, full panel. Gotta keep an eye on the aromatization and where the rest of her hormones are sitting. We've been really lucky and haven't had her estrogen or prolactin rise hardly at all. Her estrone went up a little bit but not enough to cause problems. Her cycle finally normalized to once a month instead of twice a month, so that was a other huge benefit for her. We're convinced her test was the problem the whole time

 

[chocolatemalt]

~10mg a week split into two pins gets her at right around 80ng three days post injection. Now I say "about" 10mg/week because honestly, it's really difficult to be real precise without cutting the gear down lol. She's using a bottle of my prescription test cyp now, which is dosed at 200mg/mL. We bumped her up a little bit to probably 15/wk a couple weeks ago. She knows she's pushing it a little but as long as there's no real sides she's okay with it. We haven't noticed anything thus far other than increased metabolism and pumps. It's amazing the results she gets from such a small amount.

I just got some sterile filtered MCT oil, vials, and filters in so we can cut the concentration down at least halfway. That way we can dose much more accurately. Even with a slin pin there's a lot of variance for a woman, since 2-3mg extra can make a night and day difference.

The only side effects she really gets is the sex drive and a little bit oily skin. Not much though. Just be careful and really monitor her blood work, full panel. Gotta keep an eye on the aromatization and where the rest of her hormones are sitting. We've been really lucky and haven't had her estrogen or prolactin rise hardly at all. Her estrone went up a little bit but not enough to cause problems. Her cycle finally normalized to once a month instead of twice a month, so that was a other huge benefit for her. We're convinced her test was the problem the whole time

Great info thx! Good story about making it work for her as well... so common for sex hormones to change someone's whole world.

If I'm supervising this change for my friend, I think the ceiling will be something more like 50 ng/dl *peak* and maybe 3x/wk for constancy. Cautious approach for sure. Also may stick with SQ delivery. And thanks for point out the dilution issue... this sounds like a place where weaker 100mg/ml gear would be a blessing. Actually, 25mg/ml would be awesome lol.

 

[Southbeach1]

~10mg a week split into two pins gets her at right around 80ng three days post injection. Now I say "about" 10mg/week because honestly, it's really difficult to be real precise without cutting the gear down lol. She's using a bottle of my prescription test cyp now, which is dosed at 200mg/mL. We bumped her up a little bit to probably 15/wk a couple weeks ago. She knows she's pushing it a little but as long as there's no real sides she's okay with it. We haven't noticed anything thus far other than increased metabolism and pumps. It's amazing the results she gets from such a small amount.

I just got some sterile filtered MCT oil, vials, and filters in so we can cut the concentration down at least halfway. That way we can dose much more accurately. Even with a slin pin there's a lot of variance for a woman, since 2-3mg extra can make a night and day difference.

The only side effects she really gets is the sex drive and a little bit oily skin. Not much though. Just be careful and really monitor her blood work, full panel. Gotta keep an eye on the aromatization and where the rest of her hormones are sitting. We've been really lucky and haven't had her estrogen or prolactin rise hardly at all. Her estrone went up a little bit but not enough to cause problems. Her cycle finally normalized to once a month instead of twice a month, so that was a other huge benefit for her. We're convinced her test was the problem the whole time

Good info. My wife trains like a nut and is always asking me to put her on stuff I never would. I have given her anavar, t3, clen, and e/c/a. It sounds good actually, especially the sex drive part, lol. But I just can't take a chance like that with her. She's like in perfect shape already, well I think so, she want to be bigger. I'm trying to get her primo but I have to make sure first it's really Primo and not Test Prop or something. Anyone know a good source for good, definite primo ID owe you one if you pm me the info.

 

[bigbal2943]

I stopped reading the rants. Does look to me like your trying to convince her to hop on the juice wagon for yourself tho. No disrespect. I'd love for my wife to take some test and have her libido go through the roof and turn her into a gym rat. But i can't be doing that


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[judgmentalist]

I stopped reading the rants. Does look to me like your trying to convince her to hop on the juice wagon for yourself tho. No disrespect. I'd love for my wife to take some test and have her libido go through the roof and turn her into a gym rat. But i can't be doing that


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FFS... nothing on the internet ever dies... she asked me about it. I don't know how much more clearly I can say this.


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