Test prop tren ace cycle while using semaglutide? Help please.

[Hippysabotage72]

I’ll be starting semaglutide here at some point, and thinking of running a short 6-8 week cycle of test prop/tren ace.

My question is, how will tren mix with sema? Semaglutide will kill my appetite, and I’ll make the proper adjustments to my diet and portion sizes. But I also hear tren will make you hungry. Anyone experienced with this combination?

I’m still working out the doses and pinning schedule for test/tren so any advice would be appreciated, also with pct and ancillaries would be awesome.

I’ve done two cycles, 1st- test/dbol 10 wk cycle. Learned the importance of estrogen blockers and the difference it can make in my irritability.
2nd- test/anavar 12 wk cycle. This is where I learned 12 weeks is too long for me and will in fact shrivel my nuts.

Yes I’m aware tren is not a beginner compound, and I believe the pros outweigh the cons. But I also want to start with a lower dose shorter cycle to see how I react.

I’m looking to just shed body fat. Don’t care too much about muscle mass for the time being. Im 6ft and due to the meds im on fluctuate between 240-250lbsand the meds make it almost impossible to lose fat, and my bmi is high 20’s low 30’s but as I don’t have calipers nor access to a dexa scan, so I don’t have an accurate number. I plan on taking Sema for 3-6 months before starting test and tren. I’m still on the fence with tren but know it could do wonders considering the amount of possible negative sides. I’ve also read and heard the whole bit on getting below 20% bf for best results but diet and exercise just isn’t cutting it. Been active in the gym consistently for 3+ years this time around and I’m just not getting results other than building muscle. I can gain just not lose and it’s insanely aggravating, not discouraging though as it’s been a great outlet.

My blood work looks pretty good, with the exception of my ldl and hdl being slightly off, and I’m working on correcting that now via diet. My total test is at 418 and free test 100.7

I’d do trt through my pcp but of course they say 418 isn’t low enough even though I have sides of low t. Once I have better income I’ll be going to a trt clinic.

Thanks for reading and I appreciate the response in advance. Thanks

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Thinking 300mg test prop per week, and I’m not sure what to dose the tren ace at for a lower dose. Not looking to go crazy but just to get my feet wet and see how I react.

 

[Dano22]

Forget the Tren, lose your weight , build some muscle

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Forget the Tren, lose your weight , build some muscle

Been trying for 3 + years. Diet, resistance training and cardio. Plenty of sleep/recovery time. The meds I’m on make it difficult to see any fat loss. I had decent success on test and a scar, but I’m not doing another 12 week cycle. I carry all of my weight in my torso which bothers me. I can gain muscle naturally just having issues with the fat loss.

 

[Meetketchup]

Been trying for 3 + years. Diet, resistance training and cardio. Plenty of sleep/recovery time. The meds I’m on make it difficult to see any fat loss. I had decent success on test and a scar, but I’m not doing another 12 week cycle. I carry all of my weight in my torso which bothers me. I can gain muscle naturally just having issues with the fat loss.

This is why you aren't ready for tren. You need to be able to lose weight without drugs before cycling. It's simple caloric deeficit, cardio andconsistency...That's all you need. The PED's are to assist, not create or use as a crutch for weight loss.

You won't get what you want out of the tren. Trust me.

Not trying to be harsh. Just honest.

 

[SuppsForLife]

This is why you aren't ready for tren. You need to be able to lose weight without drugs before cycling. It's simple caloric deeficit, cardio andconsistency...That's all you need. The PED's are to assist, not create or use as a crutch for weight loss.

You won't get what you want out of the tren. Trust me.

Not trying to be harsh. Just honest.

sorry but I have to agree with this.
@Hippysabotage72 you better pay more attention to diet. You don't lose weight in the gym, you actually lose weight in the kitchen. You need to master your diet. It may not be easy so better focus on this (such as talking to dieticians, reading online as much as possible, finding what works best for you etc. etc.)

 

[aimanabolic]

I lost over 100 lbs on just TRT dosed at 100mg per week, but I am in the gym 6 days a week and cut out 99% of sugars from my diet.

It can be done without Tren, none of these drugs are magic.

 

[Curlieque]

You mentioned a few times the meds you're on make it impossible to lost weight, so why are you using sema? Is that helping to lose weight? What meds are you using that's affecting weight loss?

 

[Hippysabotage72]

This is why you aren't ready for tren. You need to be able to lose weight without drugs before cycling. It's simple caloric deeficit, cardio andconsistency...That's all you need. The PED's are to assist, not create or use as a crutch for weight loss.

You won't get what you want out of the tren. Trust me.

Not trying to be harsh. Just honest.

You’re not being harsh at all and the honesty is appreciated. I cut out the crap from my diet years ago, pretty much the only added sugar to my diet is my coffee creamer. Ive worked on portion control, and stick with a high protein, lower carb diet. I’ve worked on portion control, and don’t starve myself, if I’m hungry(actual hunger not boredom) I’ll eat a small healthy snack just to take the edge off or just drink more water. Roughly 1800-2k calories a day and I’m not getting anywhere. I have a fairly active lifestyle due to work and gym. I understand it’s not a crutch and that’s not what I’m looking for, just a boost. The meds I’m on work wonders for what I need them for, but have the unfortunate side of weight retention and weight gain. I’ve gotten the weight gain under control, and there is some fat loss as I’ve put on muscle so I know some fat for muscle trade has occurred. But my weight has stayed between 240-250. I’m going to start semaglutide soon, which is the next step. This is after speaking with my Dr who agrees there is an issue. My bloods came back healthy with the exception of my cholesterol being barely off by one point low and 15 high, and my ferritin being a single point low. Everything else was in healthy range if not perfect. I’ve done keto with minimal effect, and various other diets and gave up on those and just started working on protein and carb control. I watch what I eat. Is my diet perfect? Not by a long shot, but it is by all definitions healthy and I should be seeing weight loss with it, but once again the meds I’m on make me retain. I’m just not getting anywhere.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

You mentioned a few times the meds you're on make it impossible to lost weight, so why are you using sema? Is that helping to lose weight? What meds are you using that's affecting weight loss?

I’ll be starting sema as a weight loss boost. I’m currently on Latuda, and Effexor. I’m not worried about the affects of aas on my bipolar and depression as I’m working with my dr on this and already have a plan to change dosages as needed to counter any mania issues I may or may not see. I’m aware of the potential issues sema could have, however even with my thyroid issue, I don’t have any familial history with thyroid cancer or other issues.

 

[Valdosta]

I also hear tren will make you hungry.

exact opposite for me and most people i know

 

[Hippysabotage72]

I lost over 100 lbs on just TRT dosed at 100mg per week, but I am in the gym 6 days a week and cut out 99% of sugars from my diet.

It can be done without Tren, none of these drugs are magic.

Not looking for magic, just a boost so I can get somewhere. I have my dr green lighting sema, already proved my test is lower from my bloodwork, and will be seeing a hormone clinic soon as I can afford it. I also have a trainer I’ve worked with for the last two years saying with everything I’m doing I should have seen more progress. Even he is suggesting it’s the meds and I should look at trt, as well as a short cycle just for a boost. He’s been at this for 30+ years and doesn’t encourage aas usage as magic but just a boost in the right direction.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

exact opposite for me and most people i know

Good to know, what are your thoughts on the whole higher test to tren ratio, or higher tren lower test?

 

[Valdosta]

Good to know, what are your thoughts on the whole higher test to tren ratio, or higher tren lower test?

no expert. but most people typically tolerate test better, so they use more test. usually people can run 750ish test before they start feeling bad, around 300 tren most people start feelin like shit. Sometimes you’ll see guys on 700 tren; theyre either freaks or on the clear “tren”

 

[aimanabolic]

hormone clinic soon as I can afford it

They are overpriced, start with just Test Cypionate or Enanthate. Plenty of sources here that will cost a fraction of what the HRT clinics cost. They do not put out Superior products either.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

no expert. but most people typically tolerate test better, so they use more test. usually people can run 750ish test before they start feeling bad, around 300 tren most people start feelin like shit. Sometimes you’ll see guys on 700 tren; theyre either freaks or on the clear “tren”

Jesus, 700 tren? That’s fucking wild. The most I’ve run test was 500 test e. This time around I’m going to see what a lower dose test prop run will accomplish. I’m thinking 75-100mg eod depending on week to keep it at 300 total per week, and if, if I do tren, 50-75 mg eod. I’ve just read several posts of people running the tren higher than test to avoid sides, as well as test higher than tren to avoid sides. None of those post explaining how they came to find out why either of those worked for them.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

They are overpriced, start with just Test Cypionate or Enanthate. Plenty of sources here that will cost a fraction of what the HRT clinics cost. They do not put out Superior products either.

Well I’m trying to find one affordable so I can have the prescription. I’d like to avoid the awkward moment of my probation officer finding my stash at all cost I figured having a script will just help cover my ass should it in any way be found. I fully plan on purchasing from approved sources on this forum as so far this has been the best forum I’ve found.

 

[aimanabolic]

Well I’m trying to find one affordable so I can have the prescription. I’d like to avoid the awkward moment of my probation officer finding my stash at all cost I figured having a script will just help cover my ass should it in any way be found. I fully plan on purchasing from approved sources on this forum as so far this has been the best forum I’ve found.

Try to go through a doctor office then, way cheaper. I got prescribed with my test levels over the amount insurance wanted. Even out of pocket wasn't bad. $50 for a 10ml 200mg vial.

I keep the script if I ever need to travel.

HRT clinics are really cashing in on people, unless there's some diamonds out there I don't know about, most are way over priced.

 

[aimanabolic]

If you do start to add in other AAS later (strongly urge you wait) try to stick with compounds that don't cause water retention. You don't need negative hits to you blood psi or increased weight.

Good luck on your journey bro, if you have any questions shoot me a PM. I know what's it's like to be very overweight and feel like it's impossible to get the weight off.

 

[Glycomann]

Been trying for 3 + years. Diet, resistance training and cardio. Plenty of sleep/recovery time. The meds I’m on make it difficult to see any fat loss. I had decent success on test and a scar, but I’m not doing another 12 week cycle. I carry all of my weight in my torso which bothers me. I can gain muscle naturally just having issues with the fat loss.

If you don't mind, what are the meds stalling your metabolism?

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Try to go through a doctor office then, way cheaper. I got prescribed with my test levels over the amount insurance wanted. Even out of pocket wasn't bad. $50 for a 10ml 200mg vial.

I keep the script if I ever need to travel.

HRT clinics are really cashing in on people, unless there's some diamonds out there I don't know about, most are way over priced.

That would be preferable, but my pcp is thinking I’m in normal range even at 418ng/dl I’m going to need to bring documentation and research showing her that that is low for a 32 year old. But this is several months down the road as we’re going to try out sema first. Off test I don’t even sweat like normal people, I’m wearing full sweats and busting my ass same as everyone else and my water intake is a lot, I’m barely sweating. On test I’m rocking shorts and a t-shirt and I sweat more than a whore sitting in on an Easter Sunday service. It’s crazy the difference it makes in me personally.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

If you do start to add in other AAS later (strongly urge you wait) try to stick with compounds that don't cause water retention. You don't need negative hits to you blood psi or increased weight.

Good luck on your journey bro, if you have any questions shoot me a PM. I know what's it's like to be very overweight and feel like it's impossible to get the weight off.

Thank you for this, I’ll keep in mind the water retention thing. I won’t be trying dbol again for this very issue although it was fun, the water retention sucked. I’ll hit you up when I need more help. Thank you!

 

[Hippysabotage72]

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If you don't mind, what are the meds stalling your metabolism?

Latuda and Effexor. I was on abilify and tegradol(probably spelled that wrong), the weight gain from the tegradol was horrendous. Switched to latuda and got better results for what I needed. But once again the weight retention kicked my ass. Did a test to see if it was the meds, and stopped taking them for 3-4 weeks and went from 246 down to 236. It’s the meds.unfortunately my bipolar ass needs the mood stabilizer to keep me in check, which is fine. As long as the meds actually help I’m all for them. I’ll eventually try something else and see if there are any out there that won’t cause weight issues but for now my dr wants me to stay where I’m at med wise

 

[Glycomann]

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Latuda and Effexor. I was on abilify and tegradol(probably spelled that wrong), the weight gain from the tegradol was horrendous. Switched to latuda and got better results for what I needed. But once again the weight retention kicked my ass. Did a test to see if it was the meds, and stopped taking them for 3-4 weeks and went from 246 down to 236. It’s the meds.unfortunately my bipolar ass needs the mood stabilizer to keep me in check, which is fine. As long as the meds actually help I’m all for them. I’ll eventually try something else and see if there are any out there that won’t cause weight issues but for now my dr wants me to stay where I’m at med wise

Sorry you're having the bi-polar issues. My daughter was on 4 different psycho-actives before she got pregnant. She went off most of it when pregnant. Now she is on much less and seems much more stable. I would bet at leat part of your low testosterone is from the psych meds. I really wonder sometimes if TRT would help a lot of this but who knows. I am not an MD.

 

[Glycomann]

As far as AAS, I wold start with a TRT dose of test, not more than 200 mg/w. You will notice a big difference, not only in metabolism and a bit of lean tissue but also in mental outlook and confidence. Don't go too high at first or it can backfire with distribution between Test, DHT and estrogens.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

Sorry you're having the bi-polar issues. My daughter was on 4 different psycho-actives before she got pregnant. She went off most of it when pregnant. Now she is on much less and seems much more stable. I would bet at leat part of your low testosterone is from the psych meds. I really wonder sometimes if TRT would help a lot of this but who knows. I am not an MD.

Thank you for that. Yeah I’ve done the over medicated thing with the bipolar and it made it all worse, and I’m missing 3-4 months of memory during this time. I put my foot down with the dr and made them give me something else and have been keeping the dosages lower and it’s made a huge difference these last couple years. I’m more than certain my meds are part of it. I’ve also read various studies that show men with bipolar have lower test and the opposite for women. Also the thyroid thing is playing a factor.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

As far as AAS, I would start with a TRT dose of test, not more than 200 mg/w. You will notice a big difference, not only in metabolism and a bit of lean tissue but also in mental outlook and confidence. Don't go too high at first or it can backfire with distribution between Test, DHT and estrogens.

Ok, I’ll give 200 a shot and see what it does. My first cycle was at 500mg/wk along with 30mg a day with dbol. Had to do some work with anti estrogen to get my mood stable. Wasn’t sure if it was the dbol or test that gave me issues until my second cycle with test and anavar. It was definitely the dbol so I won’t be doing that again. Also learned my lesson with dbol and water retention.

 

[CJ1]

I have used tren and sema at the same time. No problem with cycle. Very easy to get shredded with these two.

 

[Hippysabotage72]

I have used tren and sema at the same time. No problem with cycle. Very easy to get shredded with these two.

Good to hear. I’m currently working on adjusting my diet to what it’s going to be on sema, portion sizing and many more smaller meals. I’m unsure as to what the affects of either are going to be on me. Especially the hunger part.

 

[CJ1]

If your sema is good you don't need to worry about being hungry. You will need to force yourself to eat.