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mediocre.man

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Previously I had been buying from a local UGL until some things didn’t add up and I got sus. Was on 800 mg of Test E and got bloods and they came back a little over 2k 😡. Frustrated I came here and bought off a reputable source, super nice and quick. I am on 750 test cyp and 300 mg deca. Had bloodwork come back today and it was this. Am I broken? Does the deca affect test levels? I am not going to name and point fingers. Thoughts? The source always seems to make things right so if this doesn’t add up I will DM privately. Thanks guys!
 

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mediocre.man said:
Previously I had been buying from a local UGL until some things didn’t add up and I got sus. Was on 800 mg of Test E and got bloods and they came back a little over 2k 😡. Frustrated I came here and bought off a reputable source, super nice and quick. I am on 750 test cyp and 300 mg deca. Had bloodwork come back today and it was this. Am I broken? Does the deca affect test levels? I am not going to name and point fingers. Thoughts? The source always seems to make things right so if this doesn’t add up I will DM privately. Thanks guys!
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Nandrolone will have no effect on total T
 
mediocre.man said:
So it’s obv underdosed or a bad batch which happens I guess.
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Man I couldn't answer that for you, without seeing it being tested.
But from the sounds of it it very well could be a bad batch.
What is your prior blood work history like?
Do you have any other reference points to go off of with priors?
 
mediocre.man said:
Previously I had been buying from a local UGL until some things didn’t add up and I got sus. Was on 800 mg of Test E and got bloods and they came back a little over 2k 😡. Frustrated I came here and bought off a reputable source, super nice and quick. I am on 750 test cyp and 300 mg deca. Had bloodwork come back today and it was this. Am I broken? Does the deca affect test levels? I am not going to name and point fingers. Thoughts? The source always seems to make things right so if this doesn’t add up I will DM privately. Thanks guys!
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How long were you on the 750 test cyp?

How frequently did you inject?

How long after your injection did you have the blood drawn?
 
Vision said:
Man I couldn't answer that for you, without seeing it being tested.
But from the sounds of it it very well could be a bad batch.
What is your prior blood work history like?
Do you have any other reference points to go off of with priors?
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Yeah, I am on trt from my GP and the cyp I get from the University pharmacy puts me at 1100-1300 when I cruise at 200mg per week.
 
KrossOut said:
How long were you on the 750 test cyp?

How frequently did you inject?

How long after your injection did you have the blood drawn?
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I was on underdosed 800 mg for over a month prior and now on this for 2 weeks. I inject 250 3x per week, draw was the day after injection.
 
FYI, While I was on PSL test , I was seeing a 5.3 conversion. 5-6 weeks after I started pinning, I got the draw done.
 
mediocre.man said:
I was on underdosed 800 mg for over a month prior and now on this for 2 weeks. I inject 250 3x per week, draw was the day after injection.
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Yea. That stuff makes a difference. Like @dcdogz said, run it a few more weeks and draw again.

Easy mistake. No worries. No need to have the commercial by @CoffeeS. Not sure how that helps you right now. The UGL that you bought from here is most likely fine. Testosterone is cheap to make. No benefit to underdose it.
 
KrossOut said:
Yea. That stuff makes a difference. Like @dcdogz said, run it a few more weeks and draw again.

Easy mistake. No worries. No need to have the commercial by @CoffeeS. Not sure how that helps you right now.
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Just trying to help a guy that reached out for help. I also said there are a number of great sponsors here and to check them out.

I'm gonna do another commercial:

Back in 2017, Little Ceasar's Pizza in Rapid City, SD was better than Domino's in the same city. Hope that doesn't offend anyone...
 
CoffeeS said:
Just trying to help a guy that reached out for help. I also said there are a number of great sponsors here and to check them out.

I'm gonna do another commercial:

Back in 2017, Little Ceasar's Pizza in Rapid City, SD was better than Domino's in the same city. Hope that doesn't offend anyone...
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He already said he’s running testosterone from a UGL here.

Help him out by teaching him how to get his bloodwork done properly.
 
KrossOut said:
He already said he’s running testosterone from a UGL here.

Help him out by teaching him how to get his bloodwork done properly
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Understood - there is also no reason not to give the OP a source/contact that is a walking encyclopedia when it comes to this.
 
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KrossOut said:
You can refer me for any questions! 👍
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@CoffeeS is an exceptional individual who is averse to confrontation. His intention is purely to assist a member and he may be drawing from his most recent experience, which is not inappropriate. This should not be perceived as a competition regarding who should reference whom, and individuals should not be made to feel ashamed or confronted for making any references.

Please allow him to extend aid to the member on his own terms, with his own explanations based on his own understanding. While you have your interpretation, others possess theirs as well.
 
mediocre.man said:
But I am impatient! Just kidding. Thank you. Its weird, I think I know this stuff, but my adhd and frustration gets the best of me and sometimes I just need to hear it from you guys. Thank you!
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We all want stuff now in this line of business. But as noted 6 weeks is your best time to get bloods being it’s a longer ester. I would do them 3-4 days after your last injection to get the best type of results.

I myself even after many many years of doing this still find myself tapping my foot like come on, hurry up lol
 
I can use 250mg of properly dosed/made testosterone cypionate and it puts me at around 500 total test. Another guy might go over 1100 on same stuff. These are wild and irresponsible accusations to refer to anything being underdosed.

It is entirely possible that you are at a max serum level of testosterone, no matter how high you push the dose. You can and will get incredible results with total testosterone in the 2,000+ range. It's more than needed.
That with the 300mg of deca and you should be well on your way to Swole Town.

Provided EVERYTHING else is in order.
 
CoachCabo said:
I can use 250mg of properly dosed/made testosterone cypionate and it puts me at around 500 total test. Another guy might go over 1100 on same stuff. These are wild and irresponsible accusations to refer to anything being underdosed.

It is entirely possible that you are at a max serum level of testosterone, no matter how high you push the dose. You can and will get incredible results with total testosterone in the 2,000+ range. It's more than needed.
That with the 300mg of deca and you should be well on your way to Swole Town.

Provided EVERYTHING else is in order.
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I totally agree with that, when I pin my TRT dose from my doc from the pharmacy, 200 mg a week puts me at 1100-1300. Never knew max serum dose was a thing, that could absolutely be the case if that's what's happening. Thank you!
 
CoachCabo said:
I can use 250mg of properly dosed/made testosterone cypionate and it puts me at around 500 total test. Another guy might go over 1100 on same stuff. These are wild and irresponsible accusations to refer to anything being underdosed.

It is entirely possible that you are at a max serum level of testosterone, no matter how high you push the dose. You can and will get incredible results with total testosterone in the 2,000+ range. It's more than needed.
That with the 300mg of deca and you should be well on your way to Swole Town.

Provided EVERYTHING else is in order.
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Several individuals, you and many others including myself, have frequently highlighted the importance of this topic in various discussions over the years, particularly with regard to blood serum levels. While my personal TRT dosage of 200 just met the threshold for the high 700s ng/dl, I have noticed that another individual who is a very dear close friend of mine with a dosage of 100-125, consistently achieves a score of 1100ng/dl.

Years back I have seen other Labs get absolutely slammed and destroyed over some blood work, those shops are no longer around, with some of those topics Just about all participants were shaming and jumping to conclusions, without considering the science and biology behind it.
 
Vision said:
Several individuals, you and many others including myself, have frequently highlighted the importance of this topic in various discussions over the years, particularly with regard to blood serum levels. While my personal TRT dosage of 200 just met the threshold for the high 700s ng/dl, I have noticed that another individual who is a very dear close friend of mine with a dosage of 100-125, consistently achieves a score of 1100ng/dl.

Years back I have seen other Labs get absolutely slammed and destroyed over some blood work, those shops are no longer around, with some of those topics Just about all participants were shaming and jumping to conclusions, without considering the science and biology behind it.
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So my personal trt dose of 200 puts me at or above 1100. I have been injecting 750 and im not reading above 2300. So there is a possibility that is my max serum level and my body will not allow me to get above that number regardless if I pin 750 or a gram or more? Thats interesting if true. I am interested in that science, could you please point me to some literature about that? I would love to know why my body behaves this way. Thank you 🙏
 
mediocre.man said:
So my personal trt dose of 200 puts me at or above 1100. I have been injecting 750 and im not reading above 2300. So there is a possibility that is my max serum level and my body will not allow me to get above that number regardless if I pin 750 or a gram or more? Thats interesting if true. I am interested in that science, could you please point me to some literature about that? I would love to know why my body behaves this way. Thank you 🙏
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Simply for science purposes only,
Without using any long or heavy esters, where there could be a slew of bad side effects with heavy dosages, you can always do an experiment in the future with testosterone propionate, slam 300mg and pull bloods 24hrs later and see where you stand. You will be standing at Cmax, some guys have pulled several thousands ng/dl's with test prop..

But if you really want to know how high you potentially could go, you'll get a really whopping reading using TEST BASE/TEST NO ESTER.. slam that the night before bloods and your shit will be through the roof.
 
This was going to be my only suggestion, IF someone is that heavily invested in chasing numbers.
Pin a shitload of T. propionate then see where you are in a few days…like three.
You probably won’t be able to walk, but you’ll see if you are hitting your max.

But again, 2,000+ test plus 300mg of Deca and you will grow…provided….(beating dead horse).
 

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