Test/Deca/Mast/Eq cycle

[BBruce]

What do you guys think about Test @200-400/Deca @200-300/Mast @200/Eq @200?

This will be a “performance cycle” where focus is on cardio/strength and not mass.

My thinking is to keep Test at TRT level or double it to 400, Deca to keep joints and body together, Eq for cardio and Mast to free up test.

I done all in different cycles but not all together.

What do you guys think, will I get what I want or it won’t work in reality?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

What do you guys think about Test @200-400/Deca @200-300/Mast @200/Eq @200?

This will be a “performance cycle” where focus is on cardio/strength and not mass.

My thinking is to keep Test at TRT level or double it to 400, Deca to keep joints and body together, Eq for cardio and Mast to free up test.

I done all in different cycles but not all together.

What do you guys think, will I get what I want or it won’t work in reality?

Drop the eq.

I would need to know more about your stats/ how many cycles you've ran/ how much geaf you've ran as far as mgs/week and goals overall to make a recommendation on what compound to use instead or what compound to use more of.

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[BBruce]

Drop the eq.

I would need to know more about your stats/ how many cycles you've ran/ how much geaf you've ran as far as mgs/week and goals overall to make a recommendation on what compound to use instead or what compound to use more of.

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Why no EQ? I noticed I get cardio benefits from low dose EQ and that’s why I wanted to use it.

Im 6’1, 235lb, 14% bf (usually lower but been on vacation), 25 yrs of training, 20 of those I been competing and 9 of those as a professional. On TRT and I do 2 cycles a year, no high doses.

No offense but I don’t understand why my “stats” have anything to do with if this cycle was a good or bad idea.

 

[Wiseguy]

Never been a fan of Deca but like the Test/Mast/EQ. Either way should give you some solid gains.

 

[BBruce]

Never been a fan of Deca but like the Test/Mast/EQ. Either way should give you some solid gains.

I didn’t think I would like it either but low dose make my knees feel a little better, I put my body through some abuse so I do what I can to keep it together, I think you’re a little older also so I’m sure know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for answering my question!

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Why no EQ? I noticed I get cardio benefits from low dose EQ and that’s why I wanted to use it.

Im 6’1, 235lb, 14% bf (usually lower but been on vacation), 25 yrs of training, 20 of those I been competing and 9 of those as a professional. On TRT and I do 2 cycles a year, no high doses.

No offense but I don’t understand why my “stats” have anything to do with if this cycle was a good or bad idea.

You don't think it's important to know where a person is at with their experience and gear usage to make recommendations on what to use?

I have never been a fan of eq. I have never noticed that it gives me any cardio benefits (I haven't heard it from anyone else either over the past ten years), but everyone is different.
You ask for advice and then seem to shoot peoples advice down and state that you pretty much know why you're using each compound so Im confused why you would ask for advice. No need to reply. I won't bother you again. Not why Im here.

Also, just because someone is older doesn't automatically mean they'll give more sound advice. Wiseguy does know what hes talking about, but it's still a fact.

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[Wiseguy]

I didn’t think I would like it either but low dose make my knees feel a little better, I put my body through some abuse so I do what I can to keep it together, I think you’re a little older also so I’m sure know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for answering my question!

No worries brother. I am 57 and been cycling over 30 years. I am always between 185 to 190 pounds at 5-9. My bodyfat is in single digits and show time around 4 to 5 %. I always liked dry compounds. Never been a fan of Deca, Dbol or any other wet gear.
I am more of masteron, Test P, Primo, Tren, Halo, Var and Winstrol fan.

 

[Glycomann]

You don't think it's important to know where a person is at with their experience and gear usage to make recommendations on what to use?

I have never been a fan of eq. I have never noticed that it gives me any cardio benefits (I haven't heard it from anyone else either over the past ten years), but everyone is different.
You ask for advice and then seem to shoot peoples advice down and state that you pretty much know why you're using each compound so Im confused why you would ask for advice. No need to reply. I won't bother you again. Not why Im here.

Also, just because someone is older doesn't automatically mean they'll give more sound advice. Wiseguy does know what hes talking about, but it's still a fact.

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Just wondering, are most of the older men around you idiots? Your sentiment seems to be a pretty common retort by a lot of younger guys these days. I'm sure at some point in another 20-30 years you might think your experience is valuable.Maybe I'll be around tosee your attitude change. Probably not. Most likely I'll be dead and it will be your turn to just shut up and watch the younger men make the same mistakes that you watched happen decades ago. Or maybe you will sede the title of wise to your juniors. I'm pretty sure that will be the trend in 2040, even moreso than it is today.

 

[Wiseguy]

Brothers,

I respect everyone here at all ages. We are here to learn from each other. The sport, the compounds, diet, goals, reactions all vary from person to person. When i recommend or disagree with someone is nothing personal, strictly based on my opinion and experience. I know lots of people lover Deca and just as many love EQ but some don't. Just reply with your personal experience and that's it.

You are all good people here trying to learn that's it.

 

[BBruce]

No worries brother. I am 57 and been cycling over 30 years. I am always between 185 to 190 pounds at 5-9. My bodyfat is in single digits and show time around 4 to 5 %. I always liked dry compounds. Never been a fan of Deca, Dbol or any other wet gear.
I am more of masteron, Test P, Primo, Tren, Halo, Var and Winstrol fan.

I only used Deca once @200 with Test and Primo @400 each and it kept me lean and I had hard time keeping my weight, didn’t get bloated at all (luckily) and I don’t feel I need to get heavier so I’m won’t do any high doses of Deca. I’m like you I like the dryer compounds and Primo is a favorite of mine. I’m in my 40’s so I hope I have another 10yrs or so to lift heavy and that’s why I wanted to add the Deca this time and save the Primo for later, even though it’s tempting to use what you know you like.

 

[Wiseguy]

I only used Deca once @200 with Test and Primo @400 each and it kept me lean and I had hard time keeping my weight, didn’t get bloated at all (luckily) and I don’t feel I need to get heavier so I’m won’t do any high doses of Deca. I’m like you I like the dryer compounds and Primo is a favorite of mine. I’m in my 40’s so I hope I have another 10yrs or so to lift heavy and that’s why I wanted to add the Deca this time and save the Primo for later, even though it’s tempting to use what you know you like.

Great do what works for you. Also agree with you nothing like Primo for me. It just makes me feel so good. I have plenty saved up for next year. Rest of 2022 I am on my trt.

 

[BBruce]

You don't think it's important to know where a person is at with their experience and gear usage to make recommendations on what to use?

I have never been a fan of eq. I have never noticed that it gives me any cardio benefits (I haven't heard it from anyone else either over the past ten years), but everyone is different.
You ask for advice and then seem to shoot peoples advice down and state that you pretty much know why you're using each compound so Im confused why you would ask for advice. No need to reply. I won't bother you again. Not why Im here.

Also, just because someone is older doesn't automatically mean they'll give more sound advice. Wiseguy does know what hes talking about, but it's still a fact.

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No, I don’t think it’s important with their stats for my question, I just asked is this a good or bad idea, I also said I used them all but not together.

No hard feelings and I didn’t try to be rude, I just asked why no EQ since I said I felt cardio benefits from it. When I talk about cardio benefits I mean running and other cardio sports, I don’t know if you do any of those but I understand why you wouldn’t have felt it just lifting weights.

We’re all friends here trying to get better and helping each other on the journey.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Just wondering, are most of the older men around you idiots? Your sentiment seems to be a pretty common retort by a lot of younger guys these days. I'm sure at some point in another 20-30 years you might think your experience is valuable.Maybe I'll be around tosee your attitude change. Probably not. Most likely I'll be dead and it will be your turn to just shut up and watch the younger men make the same mistakes that you watched happen decades ago. Or maybe you will sede the title of wise to your juniors. I'm pretty sure that will be the trend in 2040, even moreso than it is today.

Im 37 and I am pretty experienced when it comes to everything. I was simply making a statement. I also don't know why you'd think nothing I say or write has value. Having .a bad day? Do you feel better not that you've fucked with me?

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[Glycomann]

Im 37 and I am pretty experienced when it comes to everything. I was simply making a statement. I also don't know why you'd think nothing I say or write has value. Having .a bad day? Do you feel better not that you've fucked with me?

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I'm seeing this more and more, dismissing thoughts of older men out of hand. Do you think, on average, 37 is as experienced as 60? Do you think the wisdom acquired in 37 years,on average, is greater than the wisdom,on average, acquired by a 60 year oldman? Do you think you will be wiser at 60 compared to your 37 year old self? How much time have you spent with men 20 years yours senior? Are you as dismissive and disrespectful to them to their face?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I'm seeing this more and more, dismissing thoughts of older men out of hand. Do you think, on average, 37 is as experienced as 60? Do you think the wisdom acquired in 37 years,on average, is greater than the wisdom,on average, acquired by a 60 year oldman? Do you think you will be wiser at 60 compared to your 37 year old self? How much time have you spent with men 20 years yours senior? Are you as dismissive and disrespectful to them to their face?

I wasnt disrespectful to you or anybody else until you stated that nothing I write here has value. That's a pretty shitty statement. I show all people respect regardless of age until they lose it. Im done with this conversation.

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[Glycomann]

I wasnt disrespectful to you or anybody else until you stated that nothing I write here has value. That's a pretty shitty statement. I show all people respect regardless of age until they lose it. Im done with this conversation.

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No, you've thrown that out there more than once. You dismiss age and experinece when it suites you. I'll call you out every time you do it.

 

[Jbswole40]

Never seen cardio boost from eq never really saw anything from it..but I didn't run it high.
Every1 is different, if not going for mass I assume will run low dose deca w test and mast.i can see that being good cycle..imo don't really need to run that many compounds.test +mast would be good enough I found great stamina and strength with tbol..just a thought..either way I'm not a fan of eq.but nandralones do me well.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

No, you've thrown that out there more than once. You dismiss age and experinece when it suites you. I'll call you out every time you do it.

Good deal.

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[Workhorse81]

What do you guys think about Test @200-400/Deca @200-300/Mast @200/Eq @200?

This will be a “performance cycle” where focus is on cardio/strength and not mass.

My thinking is to keep Test at TRT level or double it to 400, Deca to keep joints and body together, Eq for cardio and Mast to free up test.

I done all in different cycles but not all together.

What do you guys think, will I get what I want or it won’t work in reality?

I'm interested to know the outcome. I'll be watching ur feedback

 

[Vision]

What do you guys think about Test @200-400/Deca @200-300/Mast @200/Eq @200?

This will be a “performance cycle” where focus is on cardio/strength and not mass.

My thinking is to keep Test at TRT level or double it to 400, Deca to keep joints and body together, Eq for cardio and Mast to free up test.

I done all in different cycles but not all together.

What do you guys think, will I get what I want or it won’t work in reality?

I'm a mobility kind of guy anymore, and conditioning has been my goals in the latter years..
Guy can shit on EQ in BBing and I understand, but for conditioning it does do some amazing things.
One great thing about low dose Boldenone, it can dramatically increase collagen & elastin synthesis "fibrous glycoprotein properties" which is found in connective tissue, in return substantially minimizing any chance of injuries (when training and pushing hard for cardio and strength.. Further more, it will significantly reduce "Leptin Serum" levels, this is the mediator hormone that dictates hunger by suppression when normal/high serum levels are found, decreasing the desire for food intake, aside from ghrelin being an other counter part in this mechanism of action which has a role in meal initiation/desire upon release/secretions)..Speaking of Ghrelin, it can have an indirect course of action through neurotransmitter influence with Ghrelin secretion, increasing the desire for food!
Win-Win situation, appetite stimulation, and increase collagen & elastin synthesis..

No wonder it's used in some clinical settings for treatment with ill/malnourished/injured animals to help improve a state of health and recovery..

You don't need much, little can be more.. But at superfluous (high) dosages it's a completely different drug and maybe even a waste of time..

You can even lower the nandrolone as well and match it for 200/200 with bold, and add Tbol.. Tbol is a great alternative to Bold and even works great in these types of cases with Bold..
If performance is what you are after..

Keep in mind, to much gear/peds could increase blood volume and this can cause unwanted panful pumps hampering your type of training, ectopically cardio and conditioning..

 

[Augustine5I]

I have never used EQ Bc of the appetite stimulation… God knows I don’t need more food.

But for lean hard gainers like my wife? Probably helpful Bc she doesn’t eat enough.

Also, heard donating blood Bc of red blood cell build up was almost a “must.” Idk. Maybe some with a definite answer on this will chime in.

But maybe that is the reason cardio conditioning improves? Since red blood cells carry oxygen to the muscles. More red blood cells equals potentially more needed oxygen.

 

[BBruce]

I'm a mobility kind of guy anymore, and conditioning has been my goals in the latter years..
Guy can shit on EQ in BBing and I understand, but for conditioning it does do some amazing things.
One great thing about low dose Boldenone, it can dramatically increase collagen & elastin synthesis "fibrous glycoprotein properties" which is found in connective tissue, in return substantially minimizing any chance of injuries (when training and pushing hard for cardio and strength.. Further more, it will significantly reduce "Leptin Serum" levels, this is the mediator hormone that dictates hunger by suppression when normal/high serum levels are found, decreasing the desire for food intake, aside from ghrelin being an other counter part in this mechanism of action which has a role in meal initiation/desire upon release/secretions)..Speaking of Ghrelin, it can have an indirect course of action through neurotransmitter influence with Ghrelin secretion, increasing the desire for food!
Win-Win situation, appetite stimulation, and increase collagen & elastin synthesis..

No wonder it's used in some clinical settings for treatment with ill/malnourished/injured animals to help improve a state of health and recovery..

You don't need much, little can be more.. But at superfluous (high) dosages it's a completely different drug and maybe even a waste of time..

You can even lower the nandrolone as well and match it for 200/200 with bold, and add Tbol.. Tbol is a great alternative to Bold and even works great in these types of cases with Bold..
If performance is what you are after..

Keep in mind, to much gear/peds could increase blood volume and this can cause unwanted panful pumps hampering your type of training, ectopically cardio and conditioning..

Yeah my thinking was to keep Eq and Mast low, I tried high dose Eq and didn’t like it.

Should I keep Test @200 (TRT level) or 400? I’m thinking 200.

Thanks for your input, it’s appreciated!

 

[Workhorse81]

Never been a fan of Deca but like the Test/Mast/EQ. Either way should give you some solid gains.

What is it about decca that makes u not a fan?

 

[Workhorse81]

What is it about decca that makes u not a fan?

What do u prefer instead?

 

[Wiseguy]

What do u prefer instead?

I think you are asking me the question?

I don't touch any wet compound period. I hate the bloated moon face look, which I personally never had but don't like it when I see it on others. Puffiness, water gain, sexual side effects. Never touch Dbol and Anadrol pretty much anything that puts on water weight.
I am always around 185 to 190 at 5'9 and dry and cut ready to step on stage. Masteron, primo, Winstrol, Halo, Var, Test P, Tren my wheel house. I like EQ from time to time. The only reason I don't run it too often is because when I do I run it for 14 to 16 weeks. Appetite wise I am ok doesn't really effect me, but I do feel cardio gets easier for me.

That just my preference which works hand in hand with my goals. Now deca and the other compounds that I mentioned are all solid and they have been staples for years and nothing wrong with them, just not my cup of tea that's all.

 

[BBruce]

Yeah my thinking was to keep Eq and Mast low, I tried high dose Eq and didn’t like it.

Should I keep Test @200 (TRT level) or 400? I’m thinking 200.

Thanks for your input, it’s appreciated!

I meant low dose EQ and Deca. Silly that we can’t edit our posts…

 

[Sierra2500hd]

Not a fan of running that many compounds or high doses. That being said I am a fan of low dose Deca as a joint additive for other cycles or year round. I suppose you could apply the same though process for EQ. I do suggest keeping all 4 compounds low dose and maybe the Test a little about TRT level.

 

[BBruce]

Not a fan of running that many compounds or high doses. That being said I am a fan of low dose Deca as a joint additive for other cycles or year round. I suppose you could apply the same though process for EQ. I do suggest keeping all 4 compounds low dose and maybe the Test a little about TRT level.

That’s what I was planning, to keep them all low, if I do all at 200mg it’ll only be 800mg of gear a week. I don’t expect to get massive on this, more a performance based cycle with focus on cardio. Thanks for your input.

 

[Sierra2500hd]

That’s what I was planning, to keep them all low, if I do all at 200mg it’ll only be 800mg of gear a week. I don’t expect to get massive on this, more a performance based cycle with focus on cardio. Thanks for your input.

Interested in seeing your progress. Will you do a log? My focus has always been strength and do exceptionally well even on just TRT.

 

[BBruce]

Interested in seeing your progress. Will you do a log? My focus has always been strength and do exceptionally well even on just TRT.

I could update how it goes if you want? Yeah my main goal is always strength also but I lost my running endurance and I’m getting winded quick when I do any type of grappling/boxing and it irritates me, so I’m going to try to get some of that back.