SS-31

[Startingover]

You are exactly right and it's mainly B12 and after what you just stated it makes complete sense now cuz I've been like WTF is with this shit. You are absolutely right brother and I appreciate you responding with knowledge because it just opened up a door for me. Thank you.

Nvr had or heard of this problem..
Good to know these things.
My 1st use of nad+
Was at 10mgs actually felt lil boost .
Worked my way up..
Feel i had to be deficient to feel it way I did..

 

[REHH]

I’ve been trying a lot of these peptides.
I just got on GHK-cu, did 1mg for three days and holy fuck my neck and back feel the best they felt in a year or more. Massive pain decreases and I gained a lot rotation in my neck. I didn’t know GHK had any pain relief effects, some my friends asked me to order some for their wives so I decided to try it myself. Noticed I had less pain after the first injection, then more improvement the next two days. I didn’t know where this pain relief was coming from at first, I had started a couple other peptides 10 days earlier. Semax and SS31, just did a few shots of those so thought it was those at first, but those I had been on for 2 weeks and didn’t feel any pain relief. So then I researched GHK and saw it’s an anti inflammatory too and that’s what it did, massive inflammation relief for me, which increased the rotation and range of motion in my neck and big pain relief. I have Lyme disease with an immune disorder, It’s damaging my kidneys as well. I have degenerative arthritis in my neck with lots of chronic pain and inflammation. I had 9 injections into my spine in the neck a couple months ago and it seemed to of worn off because the pain and inflammation came back but then this GHK seems to have made a massive improvement. I would like to go off all peptides and wait for the pain to come back then go back on the GHK again to see if it has the same effect, if so then I’ll 100% know that’s where all this relief came from. It was the only thing I changed so I pretty sure but want to test again to be 100%.

I have Chronic fatigue as well which is why I been trying NAD+, Mots, SS31. I ordered some others Semax, ARA290, PT141. Gonna try them all. One thing I did notice with those is the day I inject I usually don’t sleep well and very restless thru the night. Which sucks and makes me feel like shit when I only get 3-4hrs sleep.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I’ve been trying a lot of these peptides.
I just got on GHK-cu, did 1mg for three days and holy fuck my neck and back feel the best they felt in a year or more. Massive pain decreases and I gained a lot rotation in my neck. I didn’t know GHK had any pain relief effects, some my friends asked me to order some for their wives so I decided to try it myself. Noticed I had less pain after the first injection, then more improvement the next two days. I didn’t know where this pain relief was coming from at first, I had started a couple other peptides 10 days earlier. Semax and SS31, just did a few shots of those so thought it was those at first, but those I had been on for 2 weeks and didn’t feel any pain relief. So then I researched GHK and saw it’s an anti inflammatory too and that’s what it did, massive inflammation relief for me, which increased the rotation and range of motion in my neck and big pain relief. I have Lyme disease with an immune disorder, It’s damaging my kidneys as well. I have degenerative arthritis in my neck with lots of chronic pain and inflammation. I had 9 injections into my spine in the neck a couple months ago and it seemed to of worn off because the pain and inflammation came back but then this GHK seems to have made a massive improvement. I would like to go off all peptides and wait for the pain to come back then go back on the GHK again to see if it has the same effect, if so then I’ll 100% know that’s where all this relief came from. It was the only thing I changed so I pretty sure but want to test again to be 100%

Thanks for posting your experience. Curious as to your dose on the GHK-cu. Also if you don't mind sharing your SS-31 dosing protocol as well. I assume your cycling that due to the Lyme disease? Thanks brotha.

 

[REHH]

Thanks for posting your experience. Curious as to your dose on the GHK-cu. Also if you don't mind sharing your SS-31 dosing protocol as well. I assume your cycling that due to the Lyme disease? Thanks brotha.

looks like GHK might be the holy grail for me, I’m very excited about it. I’ve been prescribed pain killers, muscle relaxers, anti inflammatories etc etc over the years as well as trying many other things and nothing has ever even come close to this kind of relief, and in only three days, felt significant improvement after the first shot when I woke up the next morning.
GHK-Cu I took 1mg three days in a row. Today is the 4th day and I’m gonna skip today. I might just go ahead and stay off and see if the pain come back and how long it takes to come back with the inflammation. Then I’ll go back on to see if I can repeat the results, then I will be 100% convinced.

 

[REHH]

Thanks for posting your experience. Curious as to your dose on the GHK-cu. Also if you don't mind sharing your SS-31 dosing protocol as well. I assume your cycling that due to the Lyme disease? Thanks brotha.

SS31. My research says .5-2mg a day. I took only 4 shots to test it.
Day 1 1mg
Day 2 off
Day 3 1mg
Then took 4 days off and tried
Day 1 500mcg
Day 2 500mcg
This is when I was having the restless sleep so I stopped. I did Nad and Mots with the last two injections. 37,50mg nad. 1.5mg mots so there was a combination effect.

Some you guys in here know a lot more than me about these peptides so maybe help with a protocol. I was merely trying these out, so going on/off to assess effectiveness. Trying to figure out what works, what I can actually feel and what doesn’t work. Hard to gauge some of these, maybe they still work even when I don’t feel it immediately? I’m trying to figure it out and test them. All these are new to me, heard of em, just never tried

 

[REHH]

Here you can see. Bones are fusing together, no disks left. Look at the bone growing into my windpipe and closing it off. That’s where my swallowing problem is coming from I’m sure

 

[01dragonslayer]

SS31. My research says .5-2mg a day. I took only 4 shots to test it.
Day 1 1mg
Day 2 off
Day 3 1mg
Then took 4 days off and tried
Day 1 500mcg
Day 2 500mcg
This is when I was having the restless sleep so I stopped. I did Nad and Mots with the last two injections. 37,50mg nad. 1.5mg mots so there was a combination effect.

Some you guys in here know a lot more than me about these peptides so maybe help with a protocol. I was merely trying these out, so going on/off to assess effectiveness. Trying to figure out what works, what I can actually feel and what doesn’t work. Hard to gauge some of these, maybe they still work even when I don’t feel it immediately? I’m trying to figure it out and test them. All these are new to me, heard of em, just never tried

I've researched SS31 doses as high as 40mg/daily but this is for severe cases of mitochondrial repair and Barth syndrome where it binds to immature cardiolipin (the defect in Barth syndrome), restoring mitochondrial membrane stability and increasing ATP production.

For mitochondrial-targeting to help repair mitochondrial function, reduce oxidative stress, and boost energy, often cycled for 4–12 weeks anywhere from 2-5mg daily with some dosing up to 10mg. Ive also researched protocols suggesting 5 days on, 2 days off to mimic standard peptide cycling.

Hoping others can chime in on this as well.

 

[Ryandenzy]

SS31. My research says .5-2mg a day. I took only 4 shots to test it.
Day 1 1mg
Day 2 off
Day 3 1mg
Then took 4 days off and tried
Day 1 500mcg
Day 2 500mcg
This is when I was having the restless sleep so I stopped. I did Nad and Mots with the last two injections. 37,50mg nad. 1.5mg mots so there was a combination effect.

Some you guys in here know a lot more than me about these peptides so maybe help with a protocol. I was merely trying these out, so going on/off to assess effectiveness. Trying to figure out what works, what I can actually feel and what doesn’t work. Hard to gauge some of these, maybe they still work even when I don’t feel it immediately? I’m trying to figure it out and test them. All these are new to me, heard of em, just never tried

SS31 takes a little time for it to work. It's pretty much the mechanic of your mitochondria and fixes the leaks of these cells. I noticed a difference with natural energy in about 3-4 weeks. It takes about 6-8 weeks for it to really shine. On cycle I found 2mg daily to be my sweet spot. On a cruise or health phase I drop down to 1mg. I take a few weeks off here and there but pretty much run it year round. It just does it's thing in the background. After the 6-8 weeks I introduce MotC for 4-6 week runs and that helps my cardio quite a lot. Don't see much benefits longer than that. If I had to choose one personally it's SS31 but to each their own.
Also, in regards to GHKCU, I have been taking that and it helped a lot with my shoulder and knee pain. My left shoulder was replaced and right needs to be here eventually. Patella/femoral syndrome bilaterally with my knees. Once I added KPV with the GHKCU... holy shit, game changer! KPV is a systemic anti inflammatory. I haven't taken an Advil or pain pill since. It's also helped immensely with my YK 11 run which was causing joint issues. Those disappeared as well. Sounds like GHKCU is doing plenty for you but if it starts to lessen it's effects, maybe give KPV a try as well.

 

[Jbswole40]

See this is my growing experience with ALL Peptides. Same batch, same lab, always tested and one time they are great and the next vial sucks balls. I’ve tried everything. Other than PT-141 which the same shit happens, I’m ready to just say fuck all of them.

I agree with this,I just mentioned on another thread that most (ime) peptides are a hit or miss..I have tried;pt141,m2,Sermorelin, mot-c,igf1,thymasin a-1,& of course bpc& Tb500 .im stating from a money aspect its not worth it to me .What i really been interested in is Dsip,semax,selank.I will add that wes @GYMnTONIC i was aways satisfied, which reminds me i need to get some hcg soon.

 

[01dragonslayer]

SS31 takes a little time for it to work. It's pretty much the mechanic of your mitochondria and fixes the leaks of these cells. I noticed a difference with natural energy in about 3-4 weeks. It takes about 6-8 weeks for it to really shine. On cycle I found 2mg daily to be my sweet spot. On a cruise or health phase I drop down to 1mg. I take a few weeks off here and there but pretty much run it year round. It just does it's thing in the background. After the 6-8 weeks I introduce MotC for 4-6 week runs and that helps my cardio quite a lot. Don't see much benefits longer than that. If I had to choose one personally it's SS31 but to each their own.
Also, in regards to GHKCU, I have been taking that and it helped a lot with my shoulder and knee pain. My left shoulder was replaced and right needs to be here eventually. Patella/femoral syndrome bilaterally with my knees. Once I added KPV with the GHKCU... holy shit, game changer! KPV is a systemic anti inflammatory. I haven't taken an Advil or pain pill since. It's also helped immensely with my YK 11 run which was causing joint issues. Those disappeared as well. Sounds like GHKCU is doing plenty for you but if it starts to lessen it's effects, maybe give KPV a try as well.

Thanks for sharing...great insight. At what dose did you add the KPV....I'm very interested in adding this to my BPC/TB regiment.

 

[Ryandenzy]

Thanks for sharing...great insight. At what dose did you add the KPV....I'm very interested in adding this to my BPC/TB regiment.

Sure thing. I did 1mg split am/pm daily for a few weeks and once the pain dissipated I went down to a maintenance dose of 500mcg five times a week.

 

[Startingover]

I’ve been trying a lot of these peptides.
I just got on GHK-cu, did 1mg for three days and holy fuck my neck and back feel the best they felt in a year or more. Massive pain decreases and I gained a lot rotation in my neck. I didn’t know GHK had any pain relief effects, some my friends asked me to order some for their wives so I decided to try it myself. Noticed I had less pain after the first injection, then more improvement the next two days. I didn’t know where this pain relief was coming from at first, I had started a couple other peptides 10 days earlier. Semax and SS31, just did a few shots of those so thought it was those at first, but those I had been on for 2 weeks and didn’t feel any pain relief. So then I researched GHK and saw it’s an anti inflammatory too and that’s what it did, massive inflammation relief for me, which increased the rotation and range of motion in my neck and big pain relief. I have Lyme disease with an immune disorder, It’s damaging my kidneys as well. I have degenerative arthritis in my neck with lots of chronic pain and inflammation. I had 9 injections into my spine in the neck a couple months ago and it seemed to of worn off because the pain and inflammation came back but then this GHK seems to have made a massive improvement. I would like to go off all peptides and wait for the pain to come back then go back on the GHK again to see if it has the same effect, if so then I’ll 100% know that’s where all this relief came from. It was the only thing I changed so I pretty sure but want to test again to be 100%.

I have Chronic fatigue as well which is why I been trying NAD+, Mots, SS31. I ordered some others Semax, ARA290, PT141. Gonna try them all. One thing I did notice with those is the day I inject I usually don’t sleep well and very restless thru the night. Which sucks and makes me feel like shit when I only get 3-4hrs sleep.

Thats amazing!!
Happy for you brother!!

 

[Startingover]

Just had my wife read ur post..
Think she may actually be on board to give it a shot!?!?
No pun intended. Hehe

 

[Hablooblah]

One other thing I forgot to mention, it has helped with my insulin sensitivity really good. With the Metformin XR and Lantus I've been sitting between 84-88 with my fasted BG. Now with the Mots-C at a higher dosage it's been consistently hanging at 77-79. Major benefit for those of us who run GH year round.

Agree with this. I run MotsC alongside my GH for this reason and its as effective as you say. 1 of the peptides thats worth what you pay for it.

 

[Hablooblah]

No problem!

I use TMG and MSM as methyl donors, would rather use that then methylated b12 or methylfolate, as its dosed much higher. but i use all 4 but wouldent count on the b12 n folate 80.00at 1mg each to be enough for the methylation drainage of nad. you will notice when methlylation is covered

I get a little fatigue for the initial 30-60 min post subq while the "flush" comes post injection and then energy. but if i dont take any methyl donors i litteraly feel the flu n whole body nerve pain. dont remember if you did injections or oral but its a must in both

ps, methlations support is needed with ss31 and mots c as well. its the reason so many get fatigue from them, when you are suppose to get energy

Super interesting. I didnt know this. Appreciate then info. So TMG and MSM at regular doses is enough? I run NAD+ , Motsc and SS31

 

[Startingover]

1st shot for wife 1mg..
I started as well 5 mgs for me thank u very much..lol

Also has synergistic value alongside hgh.
Actually finding out few peps do..
Bpc157 is another

 

[REHH]

SS31 takes a little time for it to work. It's pretty much the mechanic of your mitochondria and fixes the leaks of these cells. I noticed a difference with natural energy in about 3-4 weeks. It takes about 6-8 weeks for it to really shine. On cycle I found 2mg daily to be my sweet spot. On a cruise or health phase I drop down to 1mg. I take a few weeks off here and there but pretty much run it year round. It just does it's thing in the background. After the 6-8 weeks I introduce MotC for 4-6 week runs and that helps my cardio quite a lot. Don't see much benefits longer than that. If I had to choose one personally it's SS31 but to each their own.
Also, in regards to GHKCU, I have been taking that and it helped a lot with my shoulder and knee pain. My left shoulder was replaced and right needs to be here eventually. Patella/femoral syndrome bilaterally with my knees. Once I added KPV with the GHKCU... holy shit, game changer! KPV is a systemic anti inflammatory. I haven't taken an Advil or pain pill since. It's also helped immensely with my YK 11 run which was causing joint issues. Those disappeared as well. Sounds like GHKCU is doing plenty for you but if it starts to lessen it's effects, maybe give KPV a try as well.

Thanks lots of good info in here

 

[01dragonslayer]

Sure thing. I did 1mg split am/pm daily for a few weeks and once the pain dissipated I went down to a maintenance dose of 500mcg five times a week.

Thank you brotha.....this thread is great ta hear real world results.

 

[Lordallmighty]

Good stuff. Curious how much you take of TMG and MSM? I'm at 3g and 2g. I also take a methlated B complex. I'm currently running SS31 and MotC. Started with SS31 for the first 6 weeks or so and then added MotC.

Should be good. Im at 10g msm, 500mg tmg. find 1000mg tmg is needed for my nad shot but its abit sedating (as it contains glycine) vs 500 wich gives energy. the msm covers the rest. not using it for methylation but for detoxing, just a side benefit of being a methly donor. using 5g is prob enough to cover the methyl issues from mito supps, but the higher the better

 

[Lordallmighty]

looks like GHK might be the holy grail for me, I’m very excited about it. I’ve been prescribed pain killers, muscle relaxers, anti inflammatories etc etc over the years as well as trying many other things and nothing has ever even come close to this kind of relief, and in only three days, felt significant improvement after the first shot when I woke up the next morning.
GHK-Cu I took 1mg three days in a row. Today is the 4th day and I’m gonna skip today. I might just go ahead and stay off and see if the pain come back and how long it takes to come back with the inflammation. Then I’ll go back on to see if I can repeat the results, then I will be 100% convinced.

You should try KPV then, ghk cu is a histamine blocker (can temporary release histamine tho as seen with the red marks people complain about) but the pain killing effect is also due to that. get the same effect as you on ghk

 

[REHH]

You should try KPV then, ghk cu is a histamine blocker (can temporary release histamine tho as seen with the red marks people complain about) but the pain killing effect is also due to that. get the same effect as you on ghk

Inject or oral?

 

[REHH]

Sure thing. I did 1mg split am/pm daily for a few weeks and once the pain dissipated I went down to a maintenance dose of 500mcg five times a week.

I’m gonna have to order. You guys doing injections I assume, not oral

 

[REHH]

What about energy and focus peptide/supplement stack for a track day? What would you guys take?
High cardio output and muscle fatigue with 20min sessions; needing extreme focus breaking into corners at over 100mph.

I take GW 20mg
Taurine
Creatine
Caffeine
Test A 100mg

Could any of these peptides be taken the day of a sports event and get a positive effect. GW works an hour after taking.

 

[19NorFan]

What about energy and focus peptide/supplement stack for a track day? What would you guys take?
High cardio output and muscle fatigue with 20min sessions; needing extreme focus breaking into corners at over 100mph.

I take GW 20mg
Taurine
Creatine
Caffeine
Test A 100mg

Could any of these peptides be taken the day of a sports event and get a positive effect. GW works an hour after taking.

Uridine, Sabroxy, NALT, Paraxanthine & Theanine

Jarrow Formulas Neuro Optimizer is a good base cognitive supplement.

In terms of peptides, I haven’t found one that works accutely other than ss-31. In place of it I’d take injectable SLU-PP-322 if you can find it. It’s just better for neural drive.

Lastly, 25mg turinabol taken subligually.

 

[Ryandenzy]

I’m gonna have to order. You guys doing injections I assume, not oral

Correct, oral is more for gut health.

 

[javman]

Vigorous Steve recommends using ss31 during a blast to help protect the mitochondria and running motsC after to repair it. I have run both SS and MOTS and didn’t “feel” anything from either of them. It doesn’t mean they didn’t do anything tho. I also think my mitochondria are already pretty efficient bc i spend a lot of time doing zone 2 training. Maybe the folks who notice a big difference with these peps are people who have some mitochondrial disfunction going on?

Watching a video with one of the peptide docs and he stated to if you're not getting the boost from mots c you need to take at least 5grams of creatine, 200mg coq10, and 20mg PQQ as those are what drives the energy production. Very interesting vid. My guess is if not feeling anything form it we maybe low on those 3 things already within our body.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I’m gonna have to order. You guys doing injections I assume, not oral

Injections here....when I'm spending that kind of money on a product and want the most effective results.

 

[ChiefBoss]

Watching a video with one of the peptide docs and he stated to if you're not getting the boost from mots c you need to take at least 5grams of creatine, 200mg coq10, and 20mg PQQ as those are what drives the energy production. Very interesting vid. My guess is if not feeling anything form it we maybe low on those 3 things already within our body.

I took MOTS-C for about 10 days and it absolutely crushed my energy like nothing I’ve ever experienced. I am on a cut right now so maybe lower carb intake is part of the reason but it was so bad that getting up from my office chair to go take a leak took serious effort.

 

[REHH]

Any feedback on ARA290

 

[Crit]

I took MOTS-C for about 10 days and it absolutely crushed my energy like nothing I’ve ever experienced. I am on a cut right now so maybe lower carb intake is part of the reason but it was so bad that getting up from my office chair to go take a leak took serious effort.

I think what Lordallmighty said is the solution to that

You must take methyl donors a hour before otherwise it will drain you. nad+ drains methylation, so its needed as a cofactor