Second Cycle: Test / Tren Weekly Log

[greco]

Starting Test/Tren Cycle: This is my second cycle after Test/Deca six months ago (Aug 26, 2023 through Nov 11, 2023). Posting progress here both for a weekly record, and keeping track publicly helps keep me accountable and my head in the game. Any helpful advice/commentary appreciated. Will post before/after pics at the end.

Personal Background: Always athletic, lifting and training martial arts since 14-years-old (55 now), always in great shape until late 40s. Did gear in my 20s, but haven't touched it in almost 30 years. Around 48, started slowing down. By 52, 50lbs overweight, 29% bf. Decided that was enough of that nonsense, so I spent two years losing weight, getting back in top shape, and back into martial arts full-time. Went from a high of 279lbs (29% bf) to 232lbs (18% bf). At 54 did my first cycle in almost 30 years (Test/Deca). Added 12 pounds of lean mass in 11 weeks, and lost another 1.5% bf (post cycle detailed here, including before and after pics). Took 14 weeks off (cruised with test/deca 200mg/60mg). Blood work done 2 weeks ago, all good, and ready for round two.

Cycle: Test-Cyp 600mg and Tren-Eth 150mg per week, planned for 12 weeks. Also low-dose Deca 75mg/week, Cialis 5mg/day, Arimidex .5mg/week.

Beginning Stats 2/19/2024
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs
Shoulder width: 28.75"
Chest: 53.75"
L Bicep: 18.25"
R Bicep: 18.125"
L Thigh: 27.50"
R Thigh: 28.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" (wear 36" pants)
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25"
Body Fat: 17.2% (measured by DEXA scan)
Diet: 3,200 calories/day (300p, 275c, 100f)

And away we go...

 

[Halfi]

have u ran tren before? I see u said prior gear use. Just wondering because it’s pretty harsh if u haven’t. I’d recomend running tren ace if it’s your first time

 

[Stanley B]

55 and Tren

 

[greco]

have u ran tren before? I see u said prior gear use. Just wondering because it’s pretty harsh if u haven’t. I’d recomend running tren ace if it’s your first time

Never did it before. I did not know about ace versus enan when I bought it so it is what it is now. I eased into it last week, with very low test doses, seems okay. I will say that this week, on full dose, I seem to be a little more aggressive than usual, but given my personality it's difficult to tell.

 

[greco]

55 and Tren

Yup. The other way to look at it, at 55, I have no time for fucking around

 

[Swole_Wes]

Yup. The other way to look at it, at 55, I have no time for fucking around

And yet another way to look at it is 'fuck around, find out.' Lol
Your tren dose is very conservative. A little goes a long way with tren. Keep it under 200mg pw and you'll be fine. Good luck

 

[greco]

And yet another way to look at it is 'fuck around, find out.' Lol
Your tren dose is very conservative. A little goes a long way with tren. Keep it under 200mg pw and you'll be fine. Good luck

My middle name is "I-fucked-around-and-found-out." So I'm curious, since you seem to know, what's "not conservative" (anything over 200mg), and what are some of the scary aspects? I've read all I can, and I hear about aggression, mood swings, sexual overdrive, but apart from that (except in rare cases), very little that's actually dangerous. What's the Tren scary all about beside becoming a major asshole for 2-3 months?

 

[demon]

55 as well, following your progress. I occasionally use tren as well even though it messes with my sleep and tank my hdl. Does the 75mg of deca provide some joint relief?

 

[greco]

55 as well, following your progress. I occasionally use tren as well even though it messes with my sleep and tank my hdl. Does the 75mg of deca provide some joint relief?

I have had no sleep problems so far, but my sleep is shit anyway, so maybe I just don't notice. Yes, the Deca is for joints, but I'm just experimenting. When I did 300/week in a full cycle my joints felt great, so I'm hoping a low dose will at least get me that benefit, but I'm just guessing.

 

[greco]

2/25/2024 - Week 1 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)

• Test-Cyp 600mg
• Tren-Eth 150mg
• Deca 75mg/week
• Cialis 5mg/day
• Arimidex 0.5mg/week

Stats (first number start, second number this week)

• Height: 6'4"
• Weight: 252lbs --> 255lbs
• Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.00"
• Chest: 53.75" --> 53.75"
• L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.25"
• R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.25"
• L Thigh: 27.50" --> 28.00"
• R Thigh: 28.00" --> 28.00"
• Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.25"
• Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 38.50"

Three pounds up in the first week, which is a lot, so of course it must be mostly fat and water. Some muscle measurements are a little up, but that could be accounted for by fat gain. I seriously doubt there is any real muscle gain in the first week, but I do feel a lot fuller and harder in most places (chest, arms, shoulder, thighs). However, there is also a 1/2" gain on my waist, which is very obviously fat. Vascularity is also up, but that could just be the Cialis.

Some side effects from Tren: On the day of injection and the day after, there's general flushing and feeling hot all over. Also, a mild pressure headache. Neither is too uncomfortable at this point. General agitation and irritation is also noticeably increased (I threw a burger back through the drive-in window because they got the order wrong). Going to have to watch that.

Lifts are really strong across the board, and appetite is way up, but that could be purely psychological effects. Which is okay, I'll take what I can get.

 

[Abababa]

Hahahah throwing a burger through the window has me dying. I am so tempted by teen but it sounds like I would ruin my life on it. I would be the type to cheat on my wife and beat up a cop lol

 

[greco]

Hahahah throwing a burger through the window has me dying. I am so tempted by teen but it sounds like I would ruin my life on it. I would be the type to cheat on my wife and beat up a cop lol

Fortunately, my wife prefers that I keep a girlfriend, she says I'm "too much to deal with alone." As for beating up cops, she's also usually there, digging her nails into the back of my neck to remind me we can't afford that bail.

 

[greco]

3/03/2024 - Week 2 complete

Cycle (weekly doses) NOTE: increased both Test and Tren mid-week.
Test-Cyp 750mg (up from 600)
Tren-Eth 300mg (up from 150)
Deca 75mg/week
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 0.5mg/week

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 259lbs
BP: 125/85 --> 140/85
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.00"
Chest: 53.75" --> 54"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.25"
L Thigh: 27.50" --> 28.00"
R Thigh: 28.00" --> 28.50"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.50"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 38.75"

Summary: Weight is up again, but without any appreciable change in muscle measurements, and unfortunately another small increase in waist size. So, I have to conclude the increase in weight is fat. The mirror confirms this, I'm definitely putting on fat and/or water. Based on the advice of some people here, I increased the dose of both test and tren, 600-->750 and 150-->300 respectively. I know it's very early in the cycle, but I'm at a loss as to the dramatic increase in fat. It's very discouraging. Lifts are still up and strong across the board, but that could also be just from the increase in body weight (fat). i.e. Turning into a powerlifter So, this is not going according to plan so far, but it's still early in the cycle. Overall, I feel good, apart from being pissed about getting fat. If by the end of next week there aren't dramatic changes in the right direction, I'll have to re-think this. Advice / experience welcome.

Side effects: Blood pressure is up a little. Started recording it in the stats above. One night this week, woke up in the middle of the night in a panic, feeling very claustrophobic, and needed a Xanax to calm down and get back to sleep. That's not really normal behavior for me, so I have to conclude it's a side effect, but it's a one-off event so it could be just a coincidence. I'm definitely a little more edgy and quick tempered than normal, but I'm also normally that way in the first place. It could be a side effect, or I might just be extra pissed about getting fat

 

[Meetketchup]

Commend you for being so detailed in your log!

I'm trying to make sense of why you went with Tren considering the background info you gave. I also looked at your previous journal with pics. Tren shines when you are very lean and really pushing low calories, not in a surplus. Plus, you're running a lot of gear at 55. 750mg test, 300mg tren and deca at 75mg is not going to do much for joints. You mentioned you're putting on fat, so your diet needs to be tweaked as well. Adding more gear is not the answer when you're putting on bodyfat. Be careful my man. I mean that sincerely.

Please don't take this at all as criticism, just confused on your plan of action.

If I or anyone else can be of help. That's why we're here.

 

[Bamm-bamm]

3/03/2024 - Week 2 complete

Cycle (weekly doses) NOTE: increased both Test and Tren mid-week.
Test-Cyp 750mg (up from 600)
Tren-Eth 300mg (up from 150)
Deca 75mg/week
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 0.5mg/week

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 259lbs
BP: 125/85 --> 140/85
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.00"
Chest: 53.75" --> 54"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.25"
L Thigh: 27.50" --> 28.00"
R Thigh: 28.00" --> 28.50"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.50"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 38.75"

Summary: Weight is up again, but without any appreciable change in muscle measurements, and unfortunately another small increase in waist size. So, I have to conclude the increase in weight is fat. The mirror confirms this, I'm definitely putting on fat and/or water. Based on the advice of some people here, I increased the dose of both test and tren, 600-->750 and 150-->300 respectively. I know it's very early in the cycle, but I'm at a loss as to the dramatic increase in fat. It's very discouraging. Lifts are still up and strong across the board, but that could also be just from the increase in body weight (fat). i.e. Turning into a powerlifter So, this is not going according to plan so far, but it's still early in the cycle. Overall, I feel good, apart from being pissed about getting fat. If by the end of next week there aren't dramatic changes in the right direction, I'll have to re-think this. Advice / experience welcome.

Side effects: Blood pressure is up a little. Started recording it in the stats above. One night this week, woke up in the middle of the night in a panic, feeling very claustrophobic, and needed a Xanax to calm down and get back to sleep. That's not really normal behavior for me, so I have to conclude it's a side effect, but it's a one-off event so it could be just a coincidence. I'm definitely a little more edgy and quick tempered than normal, but I'm also normally that way in the first place. It could be a side effect, or I might just be extra pissed about getting fat

What’s your diet like?

 

[greco]

Commend you for being so detailed in your log!

I'm trying to make sense of why you went with Tren considering the background info you gave. I also looked at your previous journal with pics. Tren shines when you are very lean and really pushing low calories, not in a surplus. Plus, you're running a lot of gear. 750mg test, 300mg tren, deca at 75mg is not going to do much for joints at 55? You mentioned you're putting on fat, so your diet needs to be tweaked as well. Adding more gear is not the answer when you're putting on bodyfat. Be careful my man. I mean that sincerely.

Please don't take this at all as criticism, just confused on your plan of action.

If I or anyone else can be of help. That's why we're here.

Thanks for the input, much appreciated. The increase in dose was not to correct trajectory, I believe it's just it was too low regardless of the current trajectory. So, that was a general correction to adjust to where I believe I should have been in the first place. The idea of going with Tren was to put on lean mass only, which so far is obviously not working. However, it's only been 14 days. Isn't that too soon to tell, or is the current evidence enough to form an opinion?

Yes, I need to correct the calories. I'll reduce them this week, going with more protein and less fat and carbs. However, at my current 3,200-3,500, it's not like I'm gorging myself or I'm that high in calories to account for a 10 pound gain. That's basically impossible, gear or no gear, so I wonder what else if happening (e.g. water).

Regarding Deca, I think you are right. Do you recommend raising it, or eliminating it?

 

[greco]

What’s your diet like?

3,200 calories/day (300p, 275c, 100f). About 600-800 over my normal maintenance. That should not be enough to cause a 10 pound fat gain in 2 weeks. Even off-gear and sedentary, that should be an impossible fat gain in 2 weeks. On gear, especially Tren, and being very active, it should really be impossible. But, here it is.

 

[Meetketchup]

Thanks for the input, much appreciated. The increase in dose was not to correct trajectory, I believe it's just it was too low regardless of the current trajectory. So, that was a general correction to adjust to where I believe I should have been in the first place. The idea of going with Tren was to put on lean mass only, which so far is obviously not working. However, it's only been 14 days. Isn't that too soon to tell, or is the current evidence enough to form an opinion?

Yes, I need to correct the calories. I'll reduce them this week, going with more protein and less fat and carbs. However, at my current 3,200-3,500, it's not like I'm gorging myself or I'm that high in calories to account for a 10 pound gain. That's basically impossible, gear or no gear, so I wonder what else if happening (e.g. water).

Regarding Deca, I think you are right. Do you recommend raising it, or eliminating it?

Thanks for the input. Your choice of tren to put on only lean mass was not the best choice in compounds. It's not the compound that determines "lean mass" it's the diet. Primo, Mast, Deca, EQ would have been more optimal as tren is optimal on a cut, but that's water under the bridge at this point. lol

Looking at your diet. I would personally reduce fats to around 70g and make up the rest of whatever calorie level you decide with carbs. A lot of the weight gain is mostly water at this point so don't freak out.

Yes, cut the deca. I also wouldn't have upped the test to 750 as 600 was high enough especially with 300mg of tren. Could have gotten away with 500mg or less to be honest. If you can't have a successful cycle on the above dosages....you're doing something wrong and may want to pinpoint what that is. Foods you're eating, training, frequency, etc.

 

[greco]

Thanks for the input. Your choice of tren to put on only lean mass was not the best choice in compounds. It's not the compound that determines "lean mass" it's the diet. Primo, Mast, Deca, EQ would have been more optimal as tren is optimal on a cut, but that's water under the bridge at this point. lol

Looking at your diet. I would personally reduce fats to around 70g and make up the rest of whatever calorie level you decide with carbs. A lot of the weight gain is mostly water at this point so don't freak out.

Yes, cut the deca. I also wouldn't have upped the test to 750 as 600 was high enough especially with 300mg of tren. Could have gotten away with 500mg or less to be honest. If you can't have a successful cycle on the above dosages....you're doing something wrong and may want to pinpoint what that is. Foods you're eating, training, frequency, etc.

I'm going to take your advice. I was already leaning toward cutting the deca, so done. I only upped the dosages mid-week this week, so easy enough to put the Test back to where it was with no harm done. I'll hold the Tren at 300 moving forward. I'll also cut the fat as you suggest.

I am hoping the weight gain is mostly water, and logically, it must be. To be fair, this is EXACTLY what happened on my last cycle which was Test/Deca. I ballooned up with water in the first two weeks (10 pounds), but as soon as the cycle was over, it disappeared, and I ended up with 12 pounds lean mass net gain when all was said and done. I think the issue right now is just psychological. With Deca, I completely expected the water, so it didn't phase me mentally. However, I didn't expect it with Tren, so it's got me discouraged.

Overall, for training and nutrition in general, I'm not concerned. My eating is very clean; only whole foods, whole unprocessed cuts of meat, no processed food of any kind, no eating out, I eat every 2 hours like clockwork, no alcohol, no recreational drugs, don't even take over the counter medications. Training is 3x lifitng per week, classic 1 push, 2 pull, 3 legs routine. Martial arts training 3-4x per week, but I keep that intensity low when on-cycle to make sure I'm not overtraining and I'm recovering. Sleep is 8 hours a night like it was my job.

Thanks for the feedback. Now we'll see what week 3 brings.

 

[Meetketchup]

I'm going to take your advice. I was already leaning toward cutting the deca, so done. I only upped the dosages mid-week this week, so easy enough to put the Test back to where it was with no harm done. I'll hold the Tren at 300 moving forward. I'll also cut the fat as you suggest.

I am hoping the weight gain is mostly water, and logically, it must be. To be fair, this is EXACTLY what happened on my last cycle which was Test/Deca. I ballooned up with water in the first two weeks (10 pounds), but as soon as the cycle was over, it disappeared, and I ended up with 12 pounds lean mass net gain when all was said and done. I think the issue right now is just psychological. With Deca, I completely expected the water, so it didn't phase me mentally. However, I didn't expect it with Tren, so it's got me discouraged.

Overall, for training and nutrition in general, I'm not concerned. My eating is very clean; only whole foods, whole unprocessed cuts of meat, no processed food of any kind, no eating out, I eat every 2 hours like clockwork, no alcohol, no recreational drugs, don't even take over the counter medications. Training is 3x lifitng per week, classic 1 push, 2 pull, 3 legs routine. Martial arts training 3-4x per week, but I keep that intensity low when on-cycle to make sure I'm not overtraining and I'm recovering. Sleep is 8 hours a night like it was my job.

Thanks for the feedback. Now we'll see what week 3 brings.

Sounds good man. One last suggestion as something just really stood out. lifting 3x per week, as in days? Might want to think about upping the frequency. I've also competed in MMA so I know the balance you are trying to keep, but when you're on gear, especially the amount of gear you are on...take advantage of the increased recovery and up the volume/frequency. In the off-season on a good cycle. I'll do 6 days a week of PPL and still do MMA. Not saying you need 6 days lol but 3 is very low. Just food for though man. Best of luck. You an always message if you want a second opinion on something.

 

[greco]

3/10/2024 - Week 3 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)
Test-Cyp 600mg (back to 600, decided not to go to 750)
Tren-Eth 300mg
Deca 0mg/week (eliminated)
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 0.5mg/week

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)
Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 261lbs
BP: 125/85 --> 138/82
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.25"
Chest: 53.75" --> 54.50"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.25"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 28.50"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 25.50"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 26.50"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 39.75"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.00"

Summary: Still tweaking things, but I think I have this dialed in now. Based on good advice from @Meetketchup, I put the Test back down to 600/week as I first intended, I cut the fat calories, and I increased my lifting frequency. I'm keeping the Tren at 300, but I cut out the Deca completely. Also cut sodium way down and increased potassium. Weight is up a little, but I can tell there is less bloating. I'm still annoyed my waist measurements are up again (which is fat), but so are a lot of my muscle measurements where I know it's not fat. I'm not setting the world on fire or anything, but small gains are coming. The dramatic change this week is my strength, which is up a solid 10% across the board on all lifts. I'm still worried about fat gain, but I can tell some muscle gains are coming in now, and I can always lose the fat later. I'm hoping for more dramatic results over the next week or two, or I'm doing something really wrong.

Side effects: Blood pressure is down a little, which is good, and hopefully that is due to being smarter with sodium. One undeniable side effect is that I can't sleep on days I pin Tren. On those nights, I'm lucky to get 4 shitty hours of tossing and turning, but the rest of the nights are fine. This week will start Xanax on Tren nights. I'm definitely quicker to anger this week (again). Not uncontrollably so, but then again, no one has really crossed the fuck-around-and-find-out line either.

Thanks to @Meetketchup for the reality check.

 

[greco]

3/17/2024 - Week 4 complete

Cycle (weekly doses)
Test-Cyp 600mg
Tren-Eth 300mg
Cialis 5mg/day
Arimidex 0.5mg/week

Stats (first number start, second number this week)
(green is increase, red is decrease from last week)
Age: 55
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 252lbs --> 265lbs
BP: 125/85 --> 140/90 (danger zone)
Shoulder width: 28.75" --> 29.50"
Chest: 53.75" --> 54.75"
L Bicep: 18.25" --> 18.50"
R Bicep: 18.125" --> 18.50"
L Thigh top: 27.50" --> 28.75"
R Thigh top: 28.00" --> 29.00"
L Thigh mid: 24.50" --> 26.00"
R Thigh mid: 25.00" --> 27.00"
Waist (at belt level): 39.00" --> 40.75"
Waist (at narrowest point): 38.25" --> 39.50"

Summary: Slow and steady gains this week. I'm a little concerned that at the end of week 4 the gains are not more dramatic, and I've got a solid 6-10 pounds more fat/water on me, but overall the muscle gains are coming in slow and steady. One frustration is my arms, they are pretty stagnant at about 18.5". That's actually been the story my whole life. Even in my 20s, on heavy gear and strong as fuck (405 bench), they never broke 19". The goal for this cycle is 20", so we'll see, but that might be wishful thinking. One bright spot is my legs, thighs are up a solid 1.5" overall from 4 weeks ago. Strength is also up again. I'm pushing/pulling weight I haven't touched in 20+ years (inclined dbell pressing 120s for 3-5, one arm rowing 130s for 6-8). I can't say I'm happy with this cycle so far, but there are 8 weeks to go, and I suspect I'm just now reaching saturation levels (any opinions on that?). I'm really hoping the next week is a break-out week.

Side effects: Blood pressure is up and too high. Don't know what I can do about that besides watch it and ride it out unless it keeps going up. Sleeping is getting harder, even on days I don't pin Tren, but it's still manageable with a little Xanax. Anxiety and moodiness is way up, and I'm super quick to anger (even for me). It's still manageable, but I can tell it's now right on the edge of unmanageable.

 

[Jbswole40]

If u did Ace u would have most likely felt all this 3 weeks ago...
I'm just seeing this thread & I must say u r nutz.

 

[greco]

If u did Ace u would have most likely felt all this 3 weeks ago...
I'm just seeing this thread & I must say u r nutz.

No question about being nuts, that's a well-known fact. However, to which aspect of my insanity are you speaking? There's a lot of material to work with there, so I'm just curious to which nuts you are referring

 

[Jbswole40]

No question about being nuts, that's a well-known fact. However, to which aspect of my insanity are you speaking? There's a lot of material to work with there, so I'm just curious to which nuts you are referring

55
Tren e
I see u dropped deca ,that's good ,,I'm not one of those guys that say u can't or shouldn't do something, bcus of age ,wether u compete or not ,or bf% which is a # that means almost nothing..
Good luck, hope u get that BP under control and ride the rest of your cycle out

 

[391007]

Never did it before. I did not know about ace versus enan when I bought it so it is what it is now. I eased into it last week, with very low test doses, seems okay. I will say that this week, on full dose, I seem to be a little more aggressive than usual, but given my personality it's difficult to tell.

Experence any coughing from it ?

 

[greco]

Experence any coughing from it ?

Not at all, however, now that you mention it, I have been short of breath a lot in the last 2 weeks. Not during normal activity, but when I'm doing anything that even approaches cardio or a high rep set, I definitely feel pressure in my chest and short of breath which is unusual for me. No coughing though, and as soon as I stop high intensity activity, my breath goes back to normal. Not sure if there's a connection there.

 

[lefty556]

Not at all, however, now that you mention it, I have been short of breath a lot in the last 2 weeks. Not during normal activity, but when I'm doing anything that even approaches cardio or a high rep set, I definitely feel pressure in my chest and short of breath which is unusual for me. No coughing though, and as soon as I stop high intensity activity, my breath goes back to normal. Not sure if there's a connection there.

Tren does that. Kills cardio and endurance. I read a log from Wiseguy on the forum who said he ran gw cardarine with his tren cycle and it greatly helped his cardio and kept lipids good. Just a thought.

 

[391007]

Not at all, however, now that you mention it, I have been short of breath a lot in the last 2 weeks. Not during normal activity, but when I'm doing anything that even approaches cardio or a high rep set, I definitely feel pressure in my chest and short of breath which is unusual for me. No coughing though, and as soon as I stop high intensity activity, my breath goes back to normal. Not sure if there's a connection there.

Has your weight went up ?

 

[391007]

Not at all, however, now that you mention it, I have been short of breath a lot in the last 2 weeks. Not during normal activity, but when I'm doing anything that even approaches cardio or a high rep set, I definitely feel pressure in my chest and short of breath which is unusual for me. No coughing though, and as soon as I stop high intensity activity, my breath goes back to normal. Not sure if there's a connection there.

You went from 252-265 how fast case when you pack on muscle in a shot period of time your cardiovascular system has to catch up.

Because your larger and if in short period of time that happens.

Don’t listen to my advice. Find a smart member cause I’m viewing it from when I was growing to fast and had trouble running of a bunch of steps at work and I was hunched over.

But I don’t like given subjective advice. I feel better when I objectively know it as a fact and don’t want to be wrong in giving bad advice.