PSL NPP Jano Result

[smittyville]

Here the Jano results of NPP from PSL. 100% dosed. Full unopened vial was sent in for testing.

Janoshik Analytical

 

[Vision]

Thank you for posting these results!!!

 

[Phill]

Perfect

 

[big_rich]

Fire results

 

[JMT26]

I hate to be that guy, as the NPP is clearly dosed dead on. But the “trace compounds”? Reusing filters or what’s the thoughts on that?

 

[Vision]

I hate to be that guy, as the NPP is clearly dosed dead on. But the “trace compounds”? Reusing filters or what’s the thoughts on that?

How these tests actually work, they need more samples to actually generate a true reading with the ratios.

For an example, if someone sent in only three tablets/pills, it may generate a number on point, if someone sends in 10 tablets, they will fluctuate in either direction and the results may be different, it may be higher, or the overall maybe lower...

But sending in one sample is good enough, but if people want dead balls accurate readings, People can ask for multiple samples to be tested from different bottles, furthermore sending and samples to two different facilities, results will vary, that doesn't mean it's a good thing or bad thing.

 

[KellogCrush]

For an example, if someone sent in only three tablets/pills, it may generate a number on point, if someone sends in 10 tablets, they will fluctuate in either direction and the results may be different, it may be higher, or the overall maybe lower...

Okay but you’re not answering the question. That has nothing to do with other compounds? I’m not even saying it’s a bit deal, but you’re not addressing what he said.

 

[KellogCrush]

For an example, if someone sent in only three tablets/pills, it may generate a number on point, if someone sends in 10 tablets, they will fluctuate in either direction and the results may be different, it may be higher, or the overall maybe lower...

He’s not talking about a variance in mg amounts. I think we can understand a minor variance there for sure.

 

[Vision]

Okay but you’re not answering the question. That has nothing to do with other compounds? I’m not even saying it’s a bit deal, but you’re not addressing what he said.

Alright, let's set the record straight, because apparently, understanding dosages is akin to mastering quantum physics. There's this wild notion that dosages are always spot-on. Spoiler alert: they're about as reliable as a weather forecast. More samples and testing reveal that nailing the perfect dosage is like hitting a bullseye while blindfolded. The results? Oh, they're just a delight. My little contribution here is purely for educational purposes, not to brag about some mythical perfection. I'm just highlighting the unpredictable nature of testing, which can swing like a pendulum.

Now, about those trace compounds—oops, totally glossed over that part. My bad. Figuring out how any traces of the raw material even showed up is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

And the theory that this all came from the filtration process? Please. There's as much evidence for that as there is for Bigfoot. Cross-contamination at the raw material outsourcing facility? Now there's a theory with some meat on its bones.

He’s not talking about a variance in mg amounts. I think we can understand a minor variance there for sure.

Just to clarify, my earlier response wasn't crafted just for your singular, illustrious self. It's for all those silent observers, readers, and, of course, my dear friends So everyone who doesn't fully understand, can now have a keen understanding.. So, brace yourself, because I'm going to continue sharing whatever nuggets of wisdom I deem fit on this topic. Understand, furthermore I'll address things on my own terms, in my own order. Do we have an understanding?

Apparently, there's a shocking number of people who haven't quite grasped the testing procedures. If that's all right with you, I'll just keep doing my thing. Are we on the same page, or do I need to draw a diagram, because I have the paper and crayons right here next to me?

 

[thebiggestdumbass]

Nevwrmind

 

[big_rich]

Some ppl look to make something out of nothing.

 

[Vision]

Some ppl look to make something out of nothing.

That's when I make there something, into nothing..

 

[Marathon]

Apparently, there's a shocking number of people who haven't quite grasped the testing procedures. If that's all right with you, I'll just keep doing my thing. Are we on the same page, or do I need to draw a diagram, because I have the paper and crayons right here next to me?

I've sent in over 100 samples easy, and never had anything with trace amounts come back. So if you could break out that crayon I'd appreciate it becuase I don't understand.

 

[Marathon]

I hate to be that guy, as the NPP is clearly dosed dead on. But the “trace compounds”? Reusing filters or what’s the thoughts on that?

It could be from re using filters, media bottles, or running multiple compounds through the same tubing attached to the paristaltic pump. Not a big deal IMO, but something that I myself try to avoid.

 

[Vision]

I've sent in over 100 samples easy, and never had anything with trace amounts come back. So if you could break out that crayon I'd appreciate it becuase I don't understand.

The network has also sent in hundreds of samples, and this is the first with trace amounts. So your point is?
The final analysis is very vague.
The rest is speculations, assumptions, and everything else in between.

 

[Wardamn]

Thank you for the testing.

 

[rawbuilt]

why is there traces of test? cross contamination

 

[Vision]

why is there traces of test? cross contamination

Who knows, because the available data is ridiculously insufficient to draw any definitive conclusion without additional information, the problem is indeterminate based on what we have - we can't determine the cause. However, the original poster did separately test a sample of TP ?!? Same needle maybe?!? ((Just a huge assumption, speculation speculation speculation))

 

[thebiggestdumbass]

Who knows, because the available data is ridiculously insufficient to draw any definitive conclusion without additional information, the problem is indeterminate based on what we have - we can't determine the cause. However, the original poster did separately test a sample of TP ?!? Same needle maybe?!? ((Just a huge assumption, speculation speculation speculation))

He specified both test were conducted on unopened, vials

 

[Vision]

He specified both test were conducted on unopened, vials

Collecting data is what we're doing.
I seen these samples before they were posted. I have a list of things to off..

 

[Valdosta]

i dont think the trace amounts are a big deal at all; i would pick up this product if it was something I ran.

i do think making a willy wonka style essay about the trace amounts is a bigger deal

 

[Valdosta]

You guys are resellers to begin with. not sure why anyone would expect u to have an answer; you weren't there to witness the brewing process, so how the hell would ya know?

Just say that. "Must've been something in the brewing process, which we have 0 control over. I'll let them know though so they can adjust their process to avoid anything else (possibly more problematic than simple trace amounts) happening in the future."

 

[TomJ]

How these tests actually work, they need more samples to actually generate a true reading with the ratios.

For an example, if someone sent in only three tablets/pills, it may generate a number on point, if someone sends in 10 tablets, they will fluctuate in either direction and the results may be different, it may be higher, or the overall maybe lower...

But sending in one sample is good enough, but if people want dead balls accurate readings, People can ask for multiple samples to be tested from different bottles, furthermore sending and samples to two different facilities, results will vary, that doesn't mean it's a good thing or bad thing.

Not to be that guy but you can't compare analytical testing of products in liquid solution to solid tablets/pills/caps.

Where there's the margin of error in the manufacturing, fill, and distribution of API/filler material in solids, none of that variation is present in liquids in solution.

a single batch of gear should have essentially zero variation vial to vial outside of the inherent margin of error in the testing itself.

If you can assume;
A) the product is from the same batch
B) janos test was conducted correctly and the result is accurate

You can then safely say with certainty that every vial of that batch will be within margin of error in concentration.


Having trace compounds show up in a finished test means at least one of two things;
1)the raws used were already contaminated (super unlikely) and the brewer didn't test their raws (shame on them, but considering how close on target this is I'd assume the raws were tested)

2) some equipment in the brewing process is being reused between batches without proper cleaning.
Either a reused filter, a media bottle that wasnt cleaned properly, a beaker that wasn't rinsed and cleaned properly, a dispenser that was reused and not flushed between batches, ect.

While the test results is bang on, seeing multiple trace results should be a wake up call for the brewer to take proper qaqc of their work

 

[Vision]

Not to be that guy but you can't compare analytical testing of products in liquid solution to solid tablets/pills/caps.

Where there's the margin of error in the manufacturing, fill, and distribution of API/filler material in solids, none of that variation is present in liquids in solution.

a single batch of gear should have essentially zero variation vial to vial outside of the inherent margin of error in the testing itself.

If you can assume;
A) the product is from the same batch
B) janos test was conducted correctly and the result is accurate

You can then safely say with certainty that every vial of that batch will be within margin of error in concentration.


Having trace compounds show up in a finished test means at least one of two things;
1)the raws used were already contaminated (super unlikely) and the brewer didn't test their raws (shame on them, but considering how close on target this is I'd assume the raws were tested)

2) some equipment in the brewing process is being reused between batches without proper cleaning.
Either a reused filter, a media bottle that wasnt cleaned properly, a beaker that wasn't rinsed and cleaned properly, a dispenser that was reused and not flushed between batches, ect.

While the test results is bang on, seeing multiple trace results should be a wake up call for the brewer to take proper qaqc of their work

Spot on, I agree with everything here, that these are definitely things to put into great consideration without a doubt.
So many different variables on what could have taken place, where it could have taken place, how it could have taken place, what color T-shirt the person had on.

You can rest assure, there's a lot that I agree with that people are sharing, because I've shared the same sediments in other threads.

The only thing I'm saying, is we will never know. That is more likely, then unlikely..

 

[rawbuilt]

Who knows, because the available data is ridiculously insufficient to draw any definitive conclusion without additional information, the problem is indeterminate based on what we have - we can't determine the cause. However, the original poster did separately test a sample of TP ?!? Same needle maybe?!? ((Just a huge assumption, speculation speculation speculation))

so how are you guys gonna figure this out? will psl be sending out vials from the same batch too see if other vials have traces of test?

 

[Vision]

so how are you guys gonna figure this out? will psl be sending out vials from the same batch too see if other vials have traces of test?

We have been doing random blind sample tests, we are doing this for quality control within the network, so I believe we do have results on this product, I'm not entirely certain. But I will get an answer for you..

But this brings up something that we are going to announce sooner I guess than later, we are conducting random sample testing, now we cannot disclose any more information than that because of the sensitivity, But we are keeping tabs on people too. What's that saying? The boss is always looking when you least expect it..

 

[Vision]

so how are you guys gonna figure this out? will psl be sending out vials from the same batch too see if other vials have traces of test?

I'm a man of my word.

We are conducting quality control tests, without notice, the entire network has all eyes on them.

Customers are sending in samples, for their own safety and concern while at the same time their capitalizing on getting store credit.

The team is also conducting an orchestrating random testing.

These are just some of our findings, there's a different variance, with no traces of anything else.

 

[HFO3]

samples should be sent in unopened vials so the chain of custody is not broken