Odd historical shift in EQ protocol

[PBZ]

Getting ready to run EQ for the first time and I’ve been scouring the internet for as much info as possible. Got tons of great feedback here and the prevailing recommendations are 2:1 or 3:1 to start to avoid crashing E2. Most other current sources outside this forum support and agree with this. I found journal articles dating back to 1983 detailing how EQ reduces E2, so it’s not a new idea.

But I’ve run across numerous threads on other boards and Reddit from 2006-2013 and almost everyone was running higher EQ than test. People were recommending “minimum 900mg” of EQ with 4-500mg test. And not just a lone outlier, but numerous people on numerous threads. So what the hell were people doing 15-20 years ago? How did that dose/protocol catch on and what changed? Did everyone FAFO? Was everyone’s E2 just tanked? Did any of the vets here ever run it that high and what happened?

Disclaimer: I’m not wanting to run a high dose, I’m set starting 2:1 and getting bloodwork. Just curious how they got there back then?

 

[Sh195580]

Routine bloodwork wasn’t a thing back then, so I’m sure now that we look at blood work a lot more closely that the modern ratios are a better place to start and adjust from there.

I believe Scott and Dave just talked about lower dose EQ versus the old standard of running at least 600 to be worth it. The goal of growth phase is to stay healthy for as long as possible to allow growth, so starting slower, getting blood work and adjusting is probably the smart move.


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[Meetketchup]

Overthinking this.

What is your E2 via bloodwork, do you run good on higher or lower estrogen, do you get side effects easily? Depending on that you incorporate EQ at a conservative dose and assess. It's completely different for everyone. You have to find out how YOU respond and adjust accordingly.

Back in the day guy didn't give af about E2 in general as it was a necessary side. Now we have the opposite of everyone overanalyzing it and getting paralysis by analysis.

 

[jimbosmalls69]

I haven’t ran such high doses yet but one theory I have is the limiting rate of aromatase. Theory is 900eq wont have much more impact than say 500eq on estrogen because of that limiting rate so might as well bump it up higher to get those anabolic gains too.

Anyone can substantiate this?

 

[flexfaction]

Kept it at a conservative 2:1 ratio last year and still had to bump up the test to feel right.