Mixing SARMS into cycle or PCT?

[ZeroSum]

Currently started a test only cycle but I was wondering if anyone has tried any SARM compounds to minimize or mitigate strength and/or lean body mass reductions that happen while on PCT. From what I've heard people don't commonly mix anabolics and SARMs, and very little cycles Ive seen on here mix the two types of compounds. Any experience with this? What do you guys think?

 

[Ziath11]

Many sarms are suppressive to natural testosterone making it counter productive to use in PCT where the whole goal is getting back natural testosterone production.

 

[ZeroSum]

Many sarms are suppressive to natural testosterone making it counter productive to use in PCT where the whole goal is getting back natural testosterone production.

Would Mk677 and cardarine be beneficial for body comp around PCT time? Or would the GH and endocrine changes throw you off too much?

 

[Ckmeter]

mk677 is a great idea during PCT or off cycle imo. Real hgh would be better though . Why run sarms when you can just run gear?

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Did someone say SARMS GymNTonic.com - Search Results for "sarms"

 

[Glycomann]

I tried it and then did blood work. Holy shit what a mess. I never did that again. Cholesterol was fucked. ematocrit was fucked. Creatinine was fucked. LH not detectable. total Test somewhere in the 100 range. It was a terrible bridge sorry to say. Basically, they are comparable to oral AAS but sides are worse on a mg to mg basis. Best bridce I have used isn't really a bridge. it's PCT. Clomid 50 mg/d and hCG 750 iu EOD. Test gets into normal range, blood work comes back great at 8-10 weeks and that's basically the aim so no need to play games.

 

[Ziath11]

Would Mk677 and cardarine be beneficial for body comp around PCT time? Or would the GH and endocrine changes throw you off too much?

Glycomann said it well. Keep it simple during PCT, eat and train through the adjustment in hormones and you will come out fine. Some like to taper their doses down which you can look into but most don’t.

 

[ZeroSum]

I tried it and then did blood work. Holy shit what a mess. I never did that again. Cholesterol was fucked. ematocrit was fucked. Creatinine was fucked. LH not detectable. total Test somewhere in the 100 range. It was a terrible bridge sorry to say. Basically, they are comparable to oral AAS but sides are worse on a mg to mg basis. Best bridce I have used isn't really a bridge. it's PCT. Clomid 50 mg/d and hCG 750 iu EOD. Test gets into normal range, blood work comes back great at 8-10 weeks and that's basically the aim so no need to play games.

Ive read about HCG use in PCT but everyone seems to have a different idea of how much is enough and for how long. When did you start the HCG and for how long were you taking it?

 

[big_rich]

Ive read about HCG use in PCT but everyone seems to have a different idea of how much is enough and for how long. When did you start the HCG and for how long were you taking it?

Hcg should be ran during cycle or weeks leading up to pct not during.. hcg is suppressive so should not be used during pct if bring your natural levels is the goal. Which if your running a pct that's is the obvious goal lol.

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[Glycomann]

Ive read about HCG use in PCT but everyone seems to have a different idea of how much is enough and for how long. When did you start the HCG and for how long were you taking it?

Over about 2 years I upped the dose with blood work. It can be a moving target. In the end, if you are eugonadal, meaning that you can reo er in time, I'm not sure it matters that much. A real PCT ends, followed by a refractory period or a lull, followed by the natural system coming back online. If you are old and worn out like me then it's a little different. So if you are in your 50s or 60s and really full recovery means a year to get to 450-500 ng/dL then the PCT is really a bridge. In that case 50 mg Clomid and 750 iu/EOD is the way for me. I have dropped hCG for two weeks with 25 mg Clomid still in place and then LH comes back in normal range with test in the 350-450 ng/dL or so range. It's limping along but holds me over to get my blood work to pristine. Don't believe that a little bit of SARM is as toxic as just staying on blast and cruise. Normalization to the best possible is important for longevity. It might be uncomfortable to lose some hardness, the steroid pump and a little bit of muscle here and there but longevity takes sacrifice.

Up until my early 50s PCT was a real PCT with 50 mg/d Clomid with hCG 500 iu/3x a week over 6 weeks overlapping hCG and Clomid with hCG alone in the front end and Clomid alone at the end. Then at 12 weeks test and LH normal and Testosterone in the 500-600 ng/dL range.

So your answer is to use blood work to guide you and that will inform you over time the way for your body. Mine is old now and what I do now cannot be the model for most here but what I did in the past probably more closely matches a place to start. Also be informed that my use was low end mostly dose wise and in the 12-16 week range where I had a hard stop and followed by PCT. That is probably a reason why I could always recover in a relatively short time. Plus I started using at 27 after 12 years training naturally so my HPTA was well imprinted and I had a base. What I do now has a different set of goals.

 

[ZeroSum]

The part that makes me a bit weary is the dreaded Leydig cell toxicity, that apparently happens with lower HCG doses the higher your estrogen; which bound to be high on a cycle of test. I was thinking doing last 4 weeks of the cycle and 2 after last pin (6 total) with 250iu twice weekly. Seem sensible?

 

[Glycomann]

The part that makes me a bit weary is the dreaded Leydig cell toxicity, that apparently happens with lower HCG doses the higher your estrogen; which bound to be high on a cycle of test. I was thinking doing last 4 weeks of the cycle and 2 after last pin (6 total) with 250iu twice weekly. Seem sensible?

That could work but I would go a little higher.

 

[Nats]

Hcg should be ran during cycle or weeks leading up to pct not during.. hcg is suppressive so should not be used during pct if bring your natural levels is the goal. Which if your running a pct that's is the obvious goal lol.

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Wait a minute. Hcg being suppressive and not used during PCT? Correct me if I'm wrong but my 20 years of experience with endocrinologist and gear says otherwise. Hcg is perfect for pct. It brings back natural testosterone production. It tells the body "get back to work". Some else can come in. Hcg can be used during a cycle or during pct.

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[ZeroSum]

Wait a minute. Hcg being suppressive and not used during PCT? Correct me if I'm wrong but my 20 years of experience with endocrinologist and gear says otherwise. Hcg is perfect for pct. It brings back natural testosterone production. It tells the body "get back to work". Some else can come in. Hcg can be used during a cycle or during pct.

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Wouldn’t HCG suppress central LH and FSH production by providing negative feedback though ‘forced’ testosterone production by the testes?

 

[Wiseguy]

My friend no need to complicate things PCT four weeks of nolva and end of story.