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Managing Hemocrit While Unable to Donate

Mr_Fusion

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Due to being in remission from Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, I am unable to donate blood. At 58, 6,0 183lbs., I just started TRT late last year and two months ago, decided on a blast of 350 test/175 NPP per week. My next blood work is coming due and I’m concerned for high Hemocrit. Aside from all of the basics (cardio, hydration, diet) can anyone suggest alternatives to blood donation? Thanks!
 
I have routinely high hematocrit and I know I’ll not be allowed to donate. I have temporarily lowered it by drinking close to a gallon of water a few hours before screening and passed. I have also confirmed this by doing the same before my doc draws blood for labs.
 
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Stay truly hydrated throughout the day, avoid stimulants including caffeine, high hematocrit isn’t too bad unless platelets are also high. Grapefruit or an extract high in naringin.

JC33

Thread 'Naringin has powerful antibacterial and hematocrit lowering properties.'

I would highly suggest taking the time to read this one through.


Hematocrit


Naringin's ability to lower hematocrit levels is linked to its effects on the regulation of erythropoiesis, the process by which red blood cells (RBCs) are produced in the bone marrow. One of the key mechanisms by which naringin exerts its influence is through the modulation of erythropoietin (EPO) levels, a hormone crucial for RBC production. Naringin may downregulate EPO production or alter its signaling pathways, thereby reducing the stimulation of erythroid progenitor cells in the bone marrow...
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Mr_Fusion said:
Awesome post, thank you! Just ordered some Nattokinase to start with...
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Hydrate hydrate hydrate and hydrate more. A lot of people get blood tests and because they are not close to properly hydrated, the nurse ends up needing to reposition the needle. As a whole, we are chronically dehydrated.
 
Mr_Fusion said:
Due to being in remission from Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, I am unable to donate blood. At 58, 6,0 183lbs., I just started TRT late last year and two months ago, decided on a blast of 350 test/175 NPP per week. My next blood work is coming due and I’m concerned for high Hemocrit. Aside from all of the basics (cardio, hydration, diet) can anyone suggest alternatives to blood donation? Thanks!
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Look into methylene blue and IP6
 
blood donation is not a good long term solution to hgb control. Your body just goes into overdrive to replace what you dumped and what you're left with is an acute drop thats quickly recovered and an iron deficiency if you do it too often to try and make it stay down.

Adequate hydration, 500mg/day of Naringin, and 400-800mg/day of Nattokinase or a product like HemoFlow is a long term protocol solution.
 
Valdosta said:
pull it out yourself. 18g needle, a luer lock connector, some tubing
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Hate to say it but its what some of us had to resort to back in the day... Now my Dr gave me a script to donate whenever I want to.
If you do it yourself I use to attach it to a poland spring bottle that was a pint.
 
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KrossOut said:
Hydrate hydrate hydrate and hydrate more. A lot of people get blood tests and because they are not close to properly hydrated, the nurse ends up needing to reposition the needle. As a whole, we are chronically dehydrated.
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Or on 1600mg of EQ weekly...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

But yes... Hydration is key. Sleep Apnea can also cause high Hematocrit.
 
Last_Travel1987 said:
blood donation is not a good long term solution to hgb control. Your body just goes into overdrive to replace what you dumped and what you're left with is an acute drop thats quickly recovered and an iron deficiency if you do it too often to try and make it stay down.

Adequate hydration, 500mg/day of Naringin, and 400-800mg/day of Nattokinase or a product like HemoFlow is a long term protocol solution.
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This is what I read too. Donating frequently can mess up your ferritin levels which are difficult to bring back up.
 
JJB1 said:
This is what I read too. Donating frequently can mess up your ferritin levels which are difficult to bring back up.
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Yup. naringin and nattokinase are very effective. The only thing worth noting is that naringin will make any oral steroids you take more potent if you take them at the same time. So, if you want to avoid that, take the naringin at night or something - assuming you're taking your oral in the AM.
 
Valdosta said:
woah. so i could turn 1 mtren into 2?
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:ROFLMAO:

I don't know about that - but furanocoumarin's found in grapefruit, such as naringin are responsible for it impairing the CYP3A4 enzymes in your liver and intestines which increases the bio-availability of many medications.

So yes, chug grape fruit juice or take 1000mg of naringin prior to your mtren to supercharge it. This is not medical advice and you definitely should not listen to me.
 
Valdosta said:
pull it out yourself. 18g needle, a luer lock connector, some tubing
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Agreed. Former critical care paramedic here (flight certified as well) and we could talk hemodilution techniques but that's only temporary.

In between donations, I sometimes will throw an 18 or a 16ga in my usual right AC donation spot and let out a good heap into the shower LOL. my wife says I'm crazy because it's a waste of blood (I'm o-neg) but hey, it works. It dropped my crit quite a few points to normal doing this. But you gotta watch your pressures, and not be too stupid about it.
 
JJB1 said:
This is what I read too. Donating frequently can mess up your ferritin levels which are difficult to bring back up.
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With my medical background I can confirm this. Iron STORES are tougher to bring up than circulating iron levels. Donating too much can bugger ferritin, and leave your immune system weakened to promote an inflammatory response which hinders gainz.
 
Not to get into a pissing contest, but this is just me.

I donate whole blood the first week of every other month, 6 times a year. Have been doing so for over 3 decades now. That puts me around 200 pints lifetime. Lots of lives saved, nice feeling. Probably puts me in the minority.

I also have blood work done the third week of every month, and have been doing that for the last 10 years, since starting test. Probably really puts me in the minority.

Changes to diet, water intake, supplements, etc., are easy to make because I always know what’s going on no matter what, every single month.

Guess the point I’m trying to make is donating blood does NOT jack your hemoglobin, iron, and/or ferritin levels/panels beyond repair. Considering the fact that testosterone raises them all I think donating blood is being exaggerated here. The vast majority of us have absolutely nothing to worry about when it comes to donating blood.
 

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