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IGF-1 on 6 IU of Marathon HGH

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Lustyscripps said:
Forgive MY ignorance now- this is where I might’ve strayed off the path of knowledge. I was under the impression that HGH and high carbs don’t go well together because of glucose spikes? Or that it reduces insulin sensitivity? Is this where food timing comes into play? Carbs are obviously a must in a growing phase- would a high carb breakfast and lunch with low carb dinner be ideal if you were pinning 4ius before bed?
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Completely fabricated brother. Carbs and food around GH pinning will not alter effects or insulin sensitivity. I KNOW im gonna get some of you on my ass for this lol but its true. Carbs before bed will blunt your NATURAL growth hormone release. But food/carbs will not dampen exogenous GH from doing its job. And insulin resistance is a big thing to worry about when running growth, BUT its not effected at all by when you take your Carbs. HOWEVER 😆 even knowing this is scientific fact backed by studies, I STILL dont have Carbs an hour before my nighttime pin lol just in case those egg heads are wrong.
 
Hablooblah said:
Completely fabricated brother. Carbs and food around GH pinning will not alter effects or insulin sensitivity. I KNOW im gonna get some of you on my ass for this lol but its true. Carbs before bed will blunt your NATURAL growth hormone release. But food/carbs will not dampen exogenous GH from doing its job. And insulin resistance is a big thing to worry about when running growth, BUT its not effected at all by when you take your Carbs. HOWEVER 😆 even knowing this is scientific fact backed by studies, I STILL dont have Carbs an hour before my nighttime pin lol just in case those egg heads are wrong.
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I eat and literally pin right after with a full tummy no choice.

Bg has been fine. 6iu daily for awhile now.
 
Hablooblah said:
Completely fabricated brother. Carbs and food around GH pinning will not alter effects or insulin sensitivity. I KNOW im gonna get some of you on my ass for this lol but its true. Carbs before bed will blunt your NATURAL growth hormone release. But food/carbs will not dampen exogenous GH from doing its job. And insulin resistance is a big thing to worry about when running growth, BUT its not effected at all by when you take your Carbs. HOWEVER 😆 even knowing this is scientific fact backed by studies, I STILL dont have Carbs an hour before my nighttime pin lol just in case those egg heads are wrong.
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Hell yeah- appreciate the insight. I’ll stick to carbs a little early just to the safe. Can’t imagine a day without some sort of carbs- I love those full muscle bellies
 
Personally, I would pass on this GH. I've been tracking my IGF-1 for a decade and it is very predictable for me. As long as you're not doing retarded things like crashing your estrogen or straining the piss out of your liver all you need is a baseline and then every IU should add 50 to 100 ng/mL on average and yes it varies person to person hence get a fucking baseline. And the higher the IU the less the added IGF-1. the liver will tap out. some people it taps out at 300 ng/mL and some higher or some lower but it is relative to your baseline.
 
Glycomann said:
Personally, I would pass on this GH. I've been tracking my IGF-1 for a decade and it is very predictable for me. As long as you're not doing retarded things like crashing your estrogen or straining the piss out of your liver all you need is a baseline and then every IU should add 50 to 100 ng/mL on average and yes it varies person to person hence get a fucking baseline. And the higher the IU the less the added IGF-1. the liver will tap out. some people it taps out at 300 ng/mL and some higher or some lower but it is relative to your baseline.
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What does this have anything to do with the OP's IGF-1 score?
 
Glycomann said:
Personally, I would pass on this GH. I've been tracking my IGF-1 for a decade and it is very predictable for me. As long as you're not doing retarded things like crashing your estrogen or straining the piss out of your liver all you need is a baseline and then every IU should add 50 to 100 ng/mL on average and yes it varies person to person hence get a fucking baseline. And the higher the IU the less the added IGF-1. the liver will tap out. some people it taps out at 300 ng/mL and some higher or some lower but it is relative to your baseline.
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What?
 
SBG22 said:
I’m running 4 IU sub-q before bed and 2 IU IM AM. Had my morning injection and then labs drawn about 90 minutes later. My scores are below For perspective I was on 4 IU sub-q PM only from another sponsor and my IGF was 263 and z-score of 1.4. This is lower than some of my igf scores without running HGH in the past few years.

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Are you running Tren now ?
 
Just curious, only using 6iu, why are you not taking it all in one shot before the test? Such a low dose I would use before bed one bolus.
 
Glycomann said:
If you guys can't understand my post then you all have a problem. The OP as far as I know is a member in good standing for 2 years. What I see here is a lot of common source bull shit to protect his brand. Unless he has serious health issues or zero estrogen there is no way in hell that on 6 iu GH his IGF-1 should be lower than his baseline. I've been a research scientist for over 30 years, was registered with the American Society of Clinical Pathologists for 10 years, have advanced degrees in biomedicine, chemistry and biochemistry. But you guys are the experts. Good luck selling your snake oil. I'm out of here.
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I mean it 100% happened to me with a different vendor and i sent out the hgh for testing. 6iu had me at 130 120, retested recently at higher carbs same hgh same vendor at 350 ish.
 
Glycomann said:
If you guys can't understand my post then you all have a problem. The OP as far as I know is a member in good standing for 2 years. What I see here is a lot of common source bull shit to protect his brand. Unless he has serious health issues or zero estrogen there is no way in hell that on 6 iu GH his IGF-1 should be lower than his baseline. I've been a research scientist for over 30 years, was registered with the American Society of Clinical Pathologists for 10 years, have advanced degrees in biomedicine, chemistry and biochemistry. But you guys are the experts. Good luck selling your snake oil. I'm out of here.
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I dont give a fuck about any of that bullshit, youre still wrong AF "Doc"
 
dcdogz said:
I mean it 100% happened to me with a different vendor and i sent out the hgh for testing. 6iu had me at 130 120, retested recently at higher carbs same hgh same vendor at 350 ish.
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From same exact supply of gh/kit or just from same source?
 
So, just so I understand, when you do the GH serum test, it’s 10 iu IM ? I’ll be going in for BW in about 5 weeks and I’d like to do this.
 
Glycomann said:
If you guys can't understand my post then you all have a problem. The OP as far as I know is a member in good standing for 2 years. What I see here is a lot of common source bull shit to protect his brand. Unless he has serious health issues or zero estrogen there is no way in hell that on 6 iu GH his IGF-1 should be lower than his baseline. I've been a research scientist for over 30 years, was registered with the American Society of Clinical Pathologists for 10 years, have advanced degrees in biomedicine, chemistry and biochemistry. But you guys are the experts. Good luck selling your snake oil. I'm out of here.
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I don’t really think anyone’s protecting a source or his brand, just speaking on our personal experiences with igf1 tests.

I’ve had my numbers be all over the place on the same brand of gh, being in a deficit changes it drastically, orals changes it drastically, low e changes it drastically, for me any how, and not only that, I’m not a super high responder when it comes to igf1 levels to begin with.

But in any case, why are you shitting on the source?

If we are “protecting him”, then it appears you are actively shitting on him. And for what reason exactly?

I’m not saying your wrong about what you said when it comes to gh, but one lower igf1 score with zero context around the users current diet, estrogen, or protocols, or lifestyle, automatically means the sources brand is snake oil?
 
J.S. said:
So, just so I understand, when you do the GH serum test, it’s 10 iu IM ? I’ll be going in for BW in about 5 weeks and I’d like to do this.
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2.5-3 hrs after pin into the shoulder IM in the morning on an empty stomach if you want accuracy and consistency.

And this needs to be done with regular 3ml x 1” syringe, not a insulin syringe because the absorption rate of IM injection is twice the rate of subQ which has a peak saturation of 5-6hrs.
If you don’t do this, you’ll get a low test result
 
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rylifts22 said:
I don’t really think anyone’s protecting a source or his brand, just speaking on our personal experiences with igf1 tests.

I’ve had my numbers be all over the place on the same brand of gh, being in a deficit changes it drastically, orals changes it drastically, low e changes it drastically, for me any how, and not only that, I’m not a super high responder when it comes to igf1 levels to begin with.

But in any case, why are you shitting on the source?

If we are “protecting him”, then it appears you are actively shitting on him. And for what reason exactly?

I’m not saying your wrong about what you said when it comes to gh, but one lower igf1 score with zero context around the users current diet, estrogen, or protocols, or lifestyle, automatically means the sources brand is snake oil?
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Yeah apparently blood work (IGF-1 score) is a more reliable source of information than liquid chromatography :jerkit:
 
IGF-1 is not a very reliable test for GH potency. Too many variables with conversion. I had my IGF drop on 6iu from another vendor. Pinned 10iu IM in my delt from the same kit 2 hours before next blood draw and serum GH came back at 34. The GH was good, my conversion just sucked.
 
Marathon said:
Yeah apparently blood work (IGF-1 score) is a more reliable source of information than liquid chromatography :jerkit:
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All blood tests demonstrate is how your individual body is functioning. There's a reason lab results have a range.
Chromatography verifies or negates what is being tested. Done.

Everything else falls into the speculation, postulation and the ever popular "feels" classification.
 
Dr.Greenthumb said:
All blood tests demonstrate is how your individual body is functioning. There's a reason lab results have a range.
Chromatography verifies or negates what is being tested. Done.

Everything else falls into the speculation, postulation and the ever popular "feels" classification.
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Exactly, somebody should tell @Glycomann that cooking meth in his basement doesn't make him a research scientist :joint:
 
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