I have decided to add HGH to my cycle, how much will it effect my gains ?

[jiffysound]

My guy has some HGH @ 10ml vials of 10iu/1ml concentration he made them himself, now normally I would stay away from a guy who makes his own HGH but this dude just happens to be a chemist, he works @ a pharmaceutical company here in Poland and I've known him since I came here in 2009 so I trust his compounds and they haven't let me down yet. Plus he doesn't charge an arm and a leg, for the oils I bought from him, he charged me what he paid for the pure powder he got from China, so not that much at all. Now I am going to be using .5iu ED so I have to buy quite a lot of these 10ml vials, but it shouldn't break the bank, He told me the instructions on how to store them properly and how to inject, where to inject and what to expect but I still like to get your guys input, it's very good the info I learn here. I am doing a 16 week cycle and I am halfway down the line in first week already so I am going to start the HGH on week 2 just to make it easier to plot on the calendar. He also told me I need to get bloodwork done before taking it and to show him so that he can tell me if I am good to go on the HGH. Any input from you guys is welcome.

 

[jiffysound]

So now my cycle looks like this:
1 - 16 week - 75mg/EOD Test Prop
1 - 16 week - 200mg/EOD Equipoise
1-4 week - 30mg/ED DMT ( Dimethyltrienolone )
12 - 16 week 30mg/ED DMT ( Dimethyltrienolone )
2 -16 week - .5iu HGH/ED
1 - 16 week - Aromasin 12.5mg E3.5D

 

[jiffysound]

Bah I ran out of time to correct my mistake, it's supposed to be 5iu of HGH, not .5iu. Sorry for the mistake bros.

 

[Astro95]

Growth is a long term game, rather than a cycle. I wouldn’t run it any less than 9 months personally. 6 at the minimum and that’s pushing it.

 

[jiffysound]

Growth is a long term game, rather than a cycle. I wouldn’t run it any less than 9 months personally. 6 at the minimum and that’s pushing it.

Ok so what you're basically saying is that I should run it post my cycle along with my TRT dosage and the dosage of 6iu, would that be the gist of it? It's totally doable, just wasn't aware that I needed to run HGH for so long. Wont my fingers get longer and my face grow a little bit, I checked up on HGH side effects.

 

[Astro95]

Ok so what you're basically saying is that I should run it post my cycle along with my TRT dosage and the dosage of 6iu, would that be the gist of it? It's totally doable, just wasn't aware that I needed to run HGH for so long. Wont my fingers get longer and my face grow a little bit, I checked up on HGH side effects.

Yeah, you can also become diabetic. Depends what you’re trying to achieve with it. If you want the recovery, better skin, hair benefits, fat loss, better sleep.. a low dose is sufficient long term. If you want mass building effects then somewhat the dosages you’re looking at. You might need to taper up to 5-6 iu a lot of guys experience carpal tunnel syndrome as well as lethargy when upping the dose. I’d be surprised if you get away with 5-6 iu from the get go, but trial and error right?

 

[jiffysound]

Yeah, you can also become diabetic. Depends what you’re trying to achieve with it. If you want the recovery, better skin, hair benefits, fat loss, better sleep.. a low dose is sufficient long term. If you want mass building effects then somewhat the dosages you’re looking at. You might need to taper up to 5-6 iu a lot of guys experience carpal tunnel syndrome as well as lethargy when upping the dose. I’d be surprised if you get away with 5-6 iu from the get go, but trial and error right?

I can definitely taper my HGH up to 6iu, that isn't a problem. Diabetes sounds scary but I am in good health and my sugar is usually around 90~100 according to the pin prick test that I used from my gramma, she has diabetes so I borrowed her blood sugar tester and tested my own sugar levels during morning when I woke up, then later on after a big meal, it never went above 125. But yeah, a lot of this steroid stuff has been trial and error, like for instance I never tried DMT before, but now I am on it and I love it, it's like taking a triple dosage of Anavar without the side effects.

 

[jiffysound]

So I took my first HGH 2iu dose this morning, I just couldn't wait until week 2 of the cycle, I am very inpatient. I am going to taper up to 6ius in the following week or two, depending on how I feel when the dosages increase. So far all I noticed is a little water retention around my belly area, nothing too major but is this a side effect of the HGH or is it the steroids I am on currently I wonder. I am also feeling a bit lethargic and yawning quite a bit, more so then my usual yawns. I also noticed that I am peeing a lot more then usual and drinking more water than usual, I think this is the Aromasin doing it's thing suicide inhibition thing. I am going for E2 labs next week to see how the Aromasin is doing @ my dosage of 12.5mg E3.5D After the cycle is complete I plan on dropping the HGH dosage to somewhere between 4-5iu per day. Oh on a side note, my friend invited me to come to work with him at the pharmaceutical plant he works at this Friday and he is going to show me how HGH is made and other substances like steroids and peptides, I wonder if he will allow me to take pics, I would love to take some pics and show you guys.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Following . Curious blast ..

Max

 

[jiffysound]

Update: I am going bonkers here, I am getting cold sweats and mild shivers. I am pretty sure it's the Aromasin's fault messing with my E2 and I am sweating profusely, yuck. The DMT is making my muscles very tight and it feels like I am swimming in the ocean by simple movements. But so far the side effects in general are E2 related so it's not that bad. However my appetite is through the roof, I eat a meal, 30 minutes later I am looking at my kitchen for more food, it's insane, I blame the EQ for this effect.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Yes EQ has me eating constantly and I’m satisfied for about an hour ! . That and gh both make me eat incredible calories , I’m going to trial taking mk677 + gh as I’ve heard they keep your igf-1 elevated alot more effective than gh alone and (mk6-777 is inexpensive for this effect) ….if it works !

Max

 

[jiffysound]

Yes EQ has me eating constantly and I’m satisfied for about an hour ! . That and gh both make me eat incredible calories , I’m going to trial taking mk677 + gh as I’ve heard they keep your igf-1 elevated alot more effective than gh alone and (mk6-777 is inexpensive for this effect) ….if it works !

Max

I myself am very weary of these new peptides and research chemicals, I don't want to be a guinea pig, I stick to stuff that's been around at least 2-3 decades and has some general info from users. About an hour is right on the money with EQ and eating, I can stretch it to 2 hours if I chew a lot of gum and drink a lot of nonsugar-flavored water. Also chewing on some pistacios helps pass the time when waiting on the next meal. Ah a new thing that happened to me, 2am meal time, I wake up around 2am half asleep and eat a quick meal and get back into bed, have been doing that for the last 3 days. It doesn't effect my overall sleep, I still get a good 8 - 9 hours. I solved the bathroom pissing problem with condom-like silicone catheters that attach to your penis, and you attach a 1000ml urine bag to it, so I hook myself up and when I go to sleep I just pee whenever I feel like it without having to go to the bathroom. I purchased 3 30 count bags of these silicone catheters so I can use them for my entire cycle duration. When I wake up I just peel them off my penis and throw out the urine into the bathroom that collected. I got the idea from an Episode of House MD, he used a catheter on himself when he couldn't urinate due to opiate abuse only his was internal, and mines are external silicone catheters.

 

[Fletcher]

My guy has some HGH @ 10ml vials of 10iu/1ml concentration he made them himself, now normally I would stay away from a guy who makes his own HGH but this dude just happens to be a chemist, he works @ a pharmaceutical company here in Poland and I've known him since I came here in 2009 so I trust his compounds and they haven't let me down yet. Plus he doesn't charge an arm and a leg, for the oils I bought from him, he charged me what he paid for the pure powder he got from China, so not that much at all. Now I am going to be using .5iu ED so I have to buy quite a lot of these 10ml vials, but it shouldn't break the bank, He told me the instructions on how to store them properly and how to inject, where to inject and what to expect but I still like to get your guys input, it's very good the info I learn here. I am doing a 16 week cycle and I am halfway down the line in first week already so I am going to start the HGH on week 2 just to make it easier to plot on the calendar. He also told me I need to get bloodwork done before taking it and to show him so that he can tell me if I am good to go on the HGH. Any input from you guys is welcome.

Hgh is a long game. Takes about 6 months for new muscle stem cells to mature, and another 6 months to grow them. Hgh is great in so many ways, but the benefits for mass, require patience. Dont do cardio on hgh or your heart will grow.

 

[jiffysound]

Hgh is a long game. Takes about 6 months for new muscle stem cells to mature, and another 6 months to grow them. Hgh is great in so many ways, but the benefits for mass, require patience. Dont do cardio on hgh or your heart will grow.

That's first time I am hearing that my heart will grow on HGH from cardio, so how to solve this problem as I am already on HGH, I started on it the other day and have enough to last me for a year and a half if I do 5iu ED, I did the math. Could I do very easy cardio perhaps, something low impact like a stationary bike on low RPMs ? Cardio has always been a staple of my regimen, it gave me so many positive things, like good appetite, good digestion, mild euphoria, longer under water ( I am a recreational diver ).

 

[Fletcher]

That's first time I am hearing that my heart will grow on HGH from cardio, so how to solve this problem as I am already on HGH, I started on it the other day and have enough to last me for a year and a half if I do 5iu ED, I did the math. Could I do very easy cardio perhaps, something low impact like a stationary bike on low RPMs ? Cardio has always been a staple of my regimen, it gave me so many positive things, like good appetite, good digestion, mild euphoria, longer under water ( I am a recreational diver ).

The way hgh works is, the stressed muscles send a signal, that signal tells the hgh where to go. If you do serious cardio the hgh will act on the heart tissue. Keep the dose low and the cardio light.

 

[jiffysound]

The way hgh works is, the stressed muscles send a signal, that signal tells the hgh where to go. If you do serious cardio the hgh will act on the heart tissue. Keep the dose low and the cardio light.

Up until last week, my cardio was HIIT training, I would run as fast as possible for 15 seconds then slow down to a jog for 30 seconds , and that was considered one rep, I did 30 reps of HIIT, by the 30th rep I was dead, but the positive thing about it is, it builds both slow and fast twitch muscle fibers, especially in your butt and legs. Its the only cardio that actually builds some muscle, vs wasting it by jogging 8 miles. It really built up my calves, they are very vascular and split down the middle where the muscles meet, it has an awesome look up close. And after a HIIT session, I wouldn't do legs for at least 4 days, so my legs could recover completely. My training schedule looked like this before I started on HGH:
Day 1: Chest and triceps
Day 2: High Intensity Interval Training HIIT
Day 3 : Stomach and Obliques
Day 4 : Bicep and forearm
Day 5 : Shoulder
Day 6 : Time off from exercise
Day 7: Legs
Day 8 : Back
Day 9 : Neck
Day 10: High Intensity Interval Training HIIT
Day 11: Off
Day 12 : Repeat training starting with Chest and Triceps

 

[Doug 64]

I can definitely taper my HGH up to 6iu, that isn't a problem. Diabetes sounds scary but I am in good health and my sugar is usually around 90~100 according to the pin prick test that I used from my gramma, she has diabetes so I borrowed her blood sugar tester and tested my own sugar levels during morning when I woke up, then later on after a big meal, it never went above 125. But yeah, a lot of this steroid stuff has been trial and error, like for instance I never tried DMT before, but now I am on it and I love it, it's like taking a triple dosage of Anavar without the side effects.

So Gramma is diabetic...is she your moms mom or dad's? I only ask because although 125mg/dl isn't horrible especially after a meal...I would ask how long after you eat did you test. I'm medical so my curiosity comes because diabetes and all the bad family traits generally come from moms side. Dads side does contribute as well but the predominance of hand me down disease comes from moms side. If diabetes is a family thing you're very right to be concerned and IMHO...I would check it regularly along with real labs to check A1c. Good luck with a GREAT score bro.

 

[jiffysound]

So Gramma is diabetic...is she your moms mom or dad's? I only ask because although 125mg/dl isn't horrible especially after a meal...I would ask how long after you eat did you test. I'm medical so my curiosity comes because diabetes and all the bad family traits generally come from moms side. Dads side does contribute as well but the predominance of hand me down disease comes from moms side. If diabetes is a family thing you're very right to be concerned and IMHO...I would check it regularly along with real labs to check A1c. Good luck with a GREAT score bro.

My gramma was a type 2 diabetic, she wasn't fat just old, and my father who was very skinny had type 1 diabetes which he developed in his 20s due to his accident as a child; he broke his spinal cord when a gate fell on him and he had platinum wires inserted into his spine to hold it together. He was in a body cast for 9 months as a child, horrible stuff. The doctors suspected that his type 1 diabetes was from the gate accident; it was immunological in nature. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it bro.

 

[Battousai]

Yes EQ has me eating constantly and I’m satisfied for about an hour ! . That and gh both make me eat incredible calories , I’m going to trial taking mk677 + gh as I’ve heard they keep your igf-1 elevated alot more effective than gh alone and (mk6-777 is inexpensive for this effect) ….if it works !

Max

Interested in what you think about that. Been looking at MK677 recently.

 

[Battousai]

The way hgh works is, the stressed muscles send a signal, that signal tells the hgh where to go. If you do serious cardio the hgh will act on the heart tissue. Keep the dose low and the cardio light.

Does that mean if you fuck a lot your dick will grow?

 

[Fletcher]

Does that mean if you fuck a lot your dick will grow?

That would be ... good... until ... it wasnt!

 

[TotalWar]

120iu per day. AM dose

 

[maxmuscle1]

Interested in what you think about that. Been looking at MK677 recently.

A pharmaceutical company is trialing it “Lumos” . MK677 that is. I plan on running 25mg along with gh and monitor my Igf1 level . So I’ll be journaling if it works to keep the Level higher . The doctor said basically that you have to get 3 to 4 tests and it costs a lot to do . I will definitely know if it works though . Would be a publishable test ; yet I wouldn’t . But , alas ; we can record it here . Lol

Max

 

[Doug 64]

A pharmaceutical company is trialing it “Lumos” . MK677 that is. I plan on running 25mg along with gh and monitor my Igf1 level . So I’ll be journaling if it works to keep the Level higher . The doctor said basically that you have to get 3 to 4 tests and it costs a lot to do . I will definitely know if it works though . Would be a publishable test ; yet I wouldn’t . But , alas ; we can record it here . Lol

Max

Hey man thanks for biting the bullet on the testing. Personally I appreciate the effort and expense. Looking forward to your results.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Hey man thanks for biting the bullet on the testing. Personally I appreciate the effort and expense. Looking forward to your results.

Indeed ! I am an experiment in progress . I do certain blasts and combinations for the science and for self gratification (my curiosity) as well.
I’m excited to see if I hold-build extra muscle tissue .

Max

 

[jiffysound]

So I am up to 4iu of HGH in the morning from 2iu a few days ago, am I going up too fast ? My goal is 6iu for the duration of the 16 week cycle then I drop back down to 4iu. How many days should I wait to dose 5iu, a week perhaps? My belly bloat has subsided, I don't know if it was the test prop or the HGH that was causing it, but my Aromasin dosage is still 12.5 E3.5D and I am pretty sure it's starting to do it's thing, I am pissing much more and I feel dry, and my joints on my hands ache a little at night. In my other thread I posted about my dehydration today morning, I even came up with a stupid idea to use an IV to rehydrate myself. But now I am thinking that this excess water loss at night is the Aromasin doing it's thing ? Is that possible? I have been on Aromasin for 7 days now, so I am pretty sure it's blood level is steady and it's suiciding my aromatase enzymes. The first cycle I did and I used Aromasin it took about 10~ days for it to kick in fully, but by day 7 I was feeling it.

 

[maxmuscle1]

Probably. I go up slowly but I know if it’s too fast if I fall asleep too long or I wake sweating hard . My hands literally hurt . Are tingling with numbness and sometimes won’t even work for minutes!! Also if I feel sick or weak (probably blood glucose) , it affects your insulin and thyroid . Raises blood sugar and TSH .

Max

 

[jiffysound]

So I went up to 5iu of HGH today when I woke up before breakfast and I didn't feel any lethargy or any water retention or any other side effects, it looks like my body is adjusting to this hormone pretty well, but it's still very early in the cycle, week 2. Today was injection day of 200mg/test prop and 200mg/EQ. There was some tingling in my fingers for about 30 minutes right after I injected the HGH but it went away after I ate my first meal. I am feeling these heatwaves pass through me every so often, like every 30-45 minutes and I get soaked in sweat, but it's like clear water sweat, no smell or anything. I am not sure if it's the Aromasin or HGH causing these, hard to tell but they get more intense the day after I take my Aromasin. When I get these I have to turn off the fan cause it makes me shiver, very annoying, have to change my cotton shirts at least 4-5 times a day, my laundry builds up very quickly and I have to do 2-3 loads at a time cause of the shirts and boxers which also get soaked from the sweat dripping down my waist. My backpumps have subsided thanks to Taurine @ 3000mg/day/split into 3x1000mg doses. I am drinking up to 3 x 1.5 liter bottles of water every day now and my urine stays a light yellow, with the exception when I take my multivitamin which contain a lot of B complex vitamins and causes my urine to become bright yellow for a few hours. At the beginning of week 3 I have decided to get bloodwork for test total, free test, T3, T4, prolactin, HGH, LH, FSH, estradiol E2, and E1 so I can see how I am doing with my HGH dosing and results. I don't know if it's placebo or the effect of HGH or the roids but my nails have started to grow really fast, I have to cut them every 3-4 days now they grow so fast. My beard also grows insanely fast, have to use the Norelco shaver twice a day, once in the morning and once at night. I have to buzz my hair on top of my head every 3 days too now cause it's growing so fast. I use the setting of 0 on the shaver, very close to the scalp. If I had to go to a barber I would have to spend a fortune going twice a day for a shave and 3rd day for a buzz cut. Sigh/ such is life.

 

[zionoir626]

Yes EQ has me eating constantly and I’m satisfied for about an hour ! . That and gh both make me eat incredible calories , I’m going to trial taking mk677 + gh as I’ve heard they keep your igf-1 elevated alot more effective than gh alone and (mk6-777 is inexpensive for this effect) ….if it works !

Max

Guys...
Max is talking about eating pussy...lol
Yeah, after an hour it's another piece of Trophy Ass..

To the OP...
Did you get completely checked out, before jumping on HGH...???
If anything is growing in you...tumor,C or anything harmful..
HGH will grow that too....!!!
Z...

 

[jiffysound]

Guys...
Max is talking about eating pussy...lol
Yeah, after an hour it's another piece of Trophy Ass..

To the OP...
Did you get completely checked out, before jumping on HGH...???
If anything is growing in you...tumor,C or anything harmful..
HGH will grow that too....!!!
Z...

I had a full physical and labs done so to answer your question yes, it was advised by my chemist friend to get checked out prior to pinning the first dosage. I am glad to have such a friend I can count on for advice. He got his Masters degree in organic chemistry from university of Warsaw in Poland.