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High dose vs Low dose Tren

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I'm doing 25 mg/day with 700 test, 50 mg/day proviron and 4 iu growth. The sides are very minimal at this low of a dose but the benefits shine really bright. Good strength, solid pumps and great aggression in the gym. I've done up to 300/week and the sides were way too much for me. Not sleeping isn't an option when you have a full time job and family that depends on you. I can't even imagine doing higher than that. I am happy with the strength and nutrient partitioning.
 
I'm doing 25 mg/day with 700 test, 50 mg/day proviron and 4 iu growth. The sides are very minimal at this low of a dose but the benefits shine really bright. Good strength, solid pumps and great aggression in the gym. I've done up to 300/week and the sides were way too much for me. Not sleeping isn't an option when you have a full time job and family that depends on you. I can't even imagine doing higher than that. I am happy with the strength and nutrient partitioning.

yeah most of us have that….sleep is a luxury….your kids must be older


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Most I’ve done is 140 a week of Tren Ace …

Felt amazing , great pumps, increase in size etc

Only down side was shitty sleep

Would run again at lower dose like 10 mg a day
I'm about to try for 1st time. Tren Ace. Was told I should start at 10mg EOD. What are your thoughts? Also what did you run with it? Test at 300mg per wk is what I'm running now. Going to add tren ace to it.
 
I'm about to try for 1st time. Tren Ace. Was told I should start at 10mg EOD. What are your thoughts? Also what did you run with it? Test at 300mg per wk is what I'm running now. Going to add tren ace to it.
I barely feel tren at 15mg/day
30mg/day feels better
60mg/day is VERY VERY stimmy.
 
lol. I mean it’s a website full of roided out fuckboys I get it.


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Do you expect something different from folks who are on heavy steroids/drugs? Do you think bodybuilders also meditate and grow themselves spiritually? these are illegal drugs for a reason and this forum is not church. I have read and learned a lot from experienced members and I trully appreciate it but not everyone can control their feelings and respond with respect, this should not be a surprise. Do NOT take anything personally on this forum.
 
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Has anybody ever actually noticed a huge difference in results from a high dose tren cycle vs a low dose?


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350/wk of ace is my sweet spot. I know guys running 100/wk and get the effect they need on prep — one of them is actually a classic Olympian.

I ran an experiment of bumping to 490/wk and got literally nothing extra from it. I wouldn’t even say the sides I got were much worse. Just more toxicity, oil, and more sweats.

I will be sticking at 350/wk any time I use tren ace in the future. I know bigger guys use higher dose, and they get a crazy hardness at 700/wk. I’ve heard it can actually blur some lines when the tren dose gets too high.

Also personally believe tren should only be used in prep. So many better alternatives that can get a similar result without the tren toxicity. Tren is my favorite drug, and I only use it in prep nowadays.
 
Seems like a lot of ppl are pointing to DHB as a Tren alternative. What else yah like?
DHB is liver toxic from what I’ve read and heard. I don’t do well with boldenone so that’s out of the question.

I think off season — npp, primo, deca, anavar are better at putting on size and running for long durations.

Prep I use tren, but I know Roman Fritz has had success getting a similar look using high dose halo, winny, mast etc.

If you’re dieting and not competing, I don’t believe you need to have the unhealthy look tren gives. You should be able to diet to pretty damn low bf on test, primo, mast, and winny imo. Sure, tren retains more muscle in a deficit. But what’s that truly worth for the average enhanced gym goer.
 
This is why I don’t post on here. Full of douche bags.


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Relax bro. They're just fucking around.....truly.

What's your side effect threshold........tren is good for me until it isn't and then I'm in fucking quicksand.
But yea, I imagine there is a dosing point of diminishing returns......as in do you value your friendships? Emotional relationships? Staying out of jail?
 
DHB is liver toxic from what I’ve read and heard. I don’t do well with boldenone so that’s out of the question.

I think off season — npp, primo, deca, anavar are better at putting on size and running for long durations.

Prep I use tren, but I know Roman Fritz has had success getting a similar look using high dose halo, winny, mast etc.

If you’re dieting and not competing, I don’t believe you need to have the unhealthy look tren gives. You should be able to diet to pretty damn low bf on test, primo, mast, and winny imo. Sure, tren retains more muscle in a deficit. But what’s that truly worth for the average enhanced gym goer.
Test, primo, mast = the fucking tri-fecta for me.

If want to be strong like bull, then I add anavar to the recipe
 
DHB is liver toxic from what I’ve read and heard. I don’t do well with boldenone so that’s out of the question.
Skip swears by it not being as toxic as it’s made out to be. I’ll be pulling bloods here shortly.

But what I can say is this is nothing like boldenone. I’d honestly say the “tren lite” thing is more accurate. Might be worth a shot some time it’s been killer stacked with npp
 
Skip swears by it not being as toxic as it’s made out to be. I’ll be pulling bloods here shortly.

But what I can say is this is nothing like boldenone. I’d honestly say the “tren lite” thing is more accurate. Might be worth a shot some time it’s been killer stacked with npp

Interested to see your results, I’m seriously considering trying it this spring after my cruise. What is your dose right now? I was thinking starting at 600 test 200-300 DHB


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Interested to see your results, I’m seriously considering trying it this spring after my cruise. What is your dose right now? I was thinking starting at 600 test 200-300 DHB


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That’s what i was going to do
600 test
300 dhb/npp

Interested in his labs too


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Interested to see your results, I’m seriously considering trying it this spring after my cruise. What is your dose right now? I was thinking starting at 600 test 200-300 DHB


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400mg DHB a week 600/300 test and npp as well. Hands down the best anabolic ive used
 
If I do tren again its gonna be 150 mg/wk max- probably just 100

Yutes can probably get away with high tren doses here and there.

I certainly don't recommend. Highest I ever did with 400/wk and that didn't last very long at all. Sides hit me wayyyyy to hard.
 

AST 23.00U/L​

ALT 27.00U/L​

GGT 11.00U/L​


400 test, 400 Bold and 200 DHB 8 weeks in
That’s great man. My liver enzymes aren’t that low even on trt unless I take several days off training lol. I’ll also leave this here — good liver enzymes do not mean that you aren’t damaging your liver.

I believe there’s only one study on dhb, and it’s in rodents. They had elevated liver enzymes. I don’t believe rodent studies should be a gold standard. With that said, the lack of studies on dhb combined with the evidence of liver damage is a yellow flag for me.

I’ve never had a need to take the risk and try it — I just use my bread and butter anabolics.
 
I've got DHB for later, but was going to run Test, NPP, TrenA. You're really making me question it.

Especially since you promised it has no pip
I wouldn’t stack npp and tren. Good luck to you and your gf if you have one lol. Have a boatload of caber or get a lactation pump to at least salvage some of the milk.
 
I wouldn’t stack npp and tren. Good luck to you and your gf if you have one lol. Have a boatload of caber or get a lactation pump to at least salvage some of the milk.
The Tren was going to be relatively low, like 100-140 and the NPP is going to max out at like 300. Ive read about stacking 19 nors...but the dosages are pretty minimal. Def have Caber and will monitor the levels. Already taking p5p.

Probably much lower than than levels you're used to seeing..... especially with a1250 test base ha
 
The Tren was going to be relatively low, like 100-140 and the NPP is going to max out at like 300. Ive read about stacking 19 nors...but the dosages are pretty minimal. Def have Caber and will monitor the levels. Already taking p5p.

Probably much lower than than levels you're used to seeing..... especially with a1250 test base ha
lol. Fair point. I think I did 400 tren with 300 npp. This was years ago. I lasted a week before I dropped the npp.

I’ve heard if you can stack them, they can be synergistic.
 

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