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H&B Blind Test Results Take 2

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I've only been here for a short time, was referred by another user here from another forum where a peptide company got called out on testing discrepancies. I got to say, the community and unity in here is quite refreshing. Love seeing the unity in exposing the H&B fucks. Fortunately for me I only ever created an account but hadn't ordered yet because of what came to light in here.
 
FearsomeCOR said:
GH included, plenty of good Chinese.
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Surprisingly QSC seems to be making a comeback.

Got my orals from their return. Was fully expecting to get scammed, but they surprisingly came through. Little wary of their peptides though if they’ve been sitting a while
 
Bolan said:
Sure! TP is a good one...Kitsforless I get it....
Racetropin. pretty cheap ... SSA. Cheap as dirt.
I'm SURE they don't get their GH from the big 5.
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SSA has been solid. I have their 360iu black tops (really test around 400iu)

They’ve been great. I run 20% of a vial at night (7.2-8iu gh), and they’ve been just as good as QSC, TP, opti, lobster, and the other top dudes

Kits4less sucks ass. I don’t get it. Their HPLCs come back good but I got their supremes a while back and was just extremely disappointed. I’ll never touch another product from them
 
Bolan said:
Sure! TP is a good one...Kitsforless I get it....
Racetropin. pretty cheap ... SSA. Cheap as dirt.
I'm SURE they don't get their GH from the big 5.
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Idk where SSA gets it but they’ve had good batches before. Last 24s were underwhelming sure but you still bet your ass imma use it 🤷‍♂️

I’ve used plenty of TP and K4L and felt no difference between that and this tbh
 
Sector. said:
From before they went dark, or more recently?

Seems like they’re still having logistics issues. I do hope they make you whole
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recently. Hit her up a week ago said she still can’t refund quite yet. I think they’re bsing me so I’ll have to push it lol.
 
FearsomeCOR said:
recently. Hit her up a week ago said she still can’t refund quite yet. I think they’re bsing me so I’ll have to push it lol.
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Ahh shit that’s extremely disappointing. Sorry to hear man :/
 
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Sector. said:
Ahh shit that’s extremely disappointing. Sorry to hear man :/
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The refund was from an order BEFORE they went dark though, should’ve clarified. It’s whatever tbh I’ll keep badgering then just post on their meso page if need be lol.

Usually gets things moving 😆
 
I’ve used TP in the past and they worked great, iron lion I’ve used as well loved the orange tops, I’ve had a buddy run another brand and loved them and had good testing as well
 
Bolan said:
Sure! TP is a good one...Kitsforless I get it....
Racetropin. pretty cheap ... SSA. Cheap as dirt.
I'm SURE they don't get their GH from the big 5.
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Which one would you recommend?
 
All you guys actually think they KNEW these items were bad?

Of course they didn't know because they weren't testing anything. Probably getting lab reports from whoever they were buying from and just passing them off as their own.

This is just sloppy business trying to be covered up after the fact.
 
Montego said:
All you guys actually think they KNEW these items were bad?

Of course they didn't know because they weren't testing anything. Probably getting lab reports from whoever they were buying from and just passing them off as their own.

This is just sloppy business trying to be covered up after the fact.
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I think they paid to have the primo test blend brewed and knew what they were doing.
 
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There is a post on one of the threads somewhere where another guy had bought Auctus gear from another source. He questioned his source about the Primo and his source questioned Auctus. The email Auctus sent his source said that H&B had purchased the raws to produce it so it was a batch made specifically for them……..

The rogue employee that stole raws and replaced them with Cyp raws wasn’t mentioned……

We will never know what the real truth is.
 
GIngram said:
There is a post on one of the threads somewhere where another guy had bought Auctus gear from another source. He questioned his source about the Primo and his source questioned Auctus. The email Auctus sent his source said that H&B had purchased the raws to produce it so it was a batch made specifically for them……..

The rogue employee that stole raws and replaced them with Cyp raws wasn’t mentioned……

We will never know what the real truth is.
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GIngram said:
There is a post on one of the threads somewhere where another guy had bought Auctus gear from another source. He questioned his source about the Primo and his source questioned Auctus. The email Auctus sent his source said that H&B had purchased the raws to produce it so it was a batch made specifically for them……..

The rogue employee that stole raws and replaced them with Cyp raws wasn’t mentioned……

We will never know what the real truth is.
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That story completely came apart when Noods Primo he purchased last fall came back cut with test as well.
 
squat to death said:
I think they paid to have the primo test blend brewed and knew what they were doing.
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You put too much faith into them actually knowing anything about what was going on anywhere in their business.

I would say 98% of the time resellers know absolutely Dick about what they're getting and, often don't care.

Even more unlikely is they said, "hey make me a batch of mast and test blend so I can sell it as primo"

Even MORE unlikely is they bought their own raws and said 'give me mast and test together so I can sell it as primo"

Most likely scenario is what I already said.

Didn't make it any better but, don't give them to much credit.
 
Wardamn said:
That story completely came apart when Noods Primo he purchased last fall came back cut with test as well.
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Without too much fear mongering, it’s important to note that the vial he sent he said he “believes* is the old vial because the oil is a different color. And it was mixed in with the newer post-June primo vials. It very possibly was a newer vial of Primo that he had tested.

The screen cap that Squat to death posted actually makes more sense than the “rogue employee” story... H&B sourced some super cheap mast and primo raws from a supplier that is cashing TF out of AAS in china right now. They didn’t test the raws and drop shipped them to APG to make cheap batches of mast and primo they could run super-sales on. APG didnt change batch numbers on their labels. H&B didn’t test the raws they had drop shipped, and H&B didn’t test the final product.

My question would be if this was a one time deal between APG and H&B or not. Is APG a legitimate lab that brews their own stuff and this was a one time deal? Or do they just accept whatever raws are drop shipped to them, brew it, and slap a label on it?


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Thank you for doing this

I guess my mast E from march 2024 is probably okay
 
Farmerdan said:
Without too much fear mongering, it’s important to note that the vial he sent he said he “believes* is the old vial because the oil is a different color. And it was mixed in with the newer post-June primo vials. It very possibly was a newer vial of Primo that he had tested.

The screen cap that Squat to death posted actually makes more sense than the “rogue employee” story... H&B sourced some super cheap mast and primo raws from a supplier that is cashing TF out of AAS in china right now. They didn’t test the raws and drop shipped them to APG to make cheap batches of mast and primo they could run super-sales on. APG didnt change batch numbers on their labels. H&B didn’t test the raws they had drop shipped, and H&B didn’t test the final product.

My question would be if this was a one time deal between APG and H&B or not. Is APG a legitimate lab that brews their own stuff and this was a one time deal? Or do they just accept whatever raws are drop shipped to them, brew it, and slap a label on it?


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Your correct about the primo.. was going off of what H&B said. Here Just incase you didn’t see this post ⬇️
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SB Labs said:
Hey everyone let's not forget @Austen22 who actually got the ball rolling to expose H&B
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Everyone should take note of SB supporting testing and having the individuals back. I have no affiliation with Sb but they have been supportive of the community and are supportive of customer testing. Also testing is expensive but occasionally testing a source is all it takes to hold them accountable and contribute to the the whole community so I really suggest if anyone can afford send a sample here and there to be tested, it not only helps us know what we are taking but it supports a good source and outs the bad ones.
 
Farmerdan said:
Without too much fear mongering, it’s important to note that the vial he sent he said he “believes* is the old vial because the oil is a different color. And it was mixed in with the newer post-June primo vials. It very possibly was a newer vial of Primo that he had tested.

The screen cap that Squat to death posted actually makes more sense than the “rogue employee” story... H&B sourced some super cheap mast and primo raws from a supplier that is cashing TF out of AAS in china right now. They didn’t test the raws and drop shipped them to APG to make cheap batches of mast and primo they could run super-sales on. APG didnt change batch numbers on their labels. H&B didn’t test the raws they had drop shipped, and H&B didn’t test the final product.

My question would be if this was a one time deal between APG and H&B or not. Is APG a legitimate lab that brews their own stuff and this was a one time deal? Or do they just accept whatever raws are drop shipped to them, brew it, and slap a label on it?


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Agree that screen cap seems a more plausible explanation, although both what it states and the "rogue employee" story are not necessarily mutually exclusive. But I'd put my money on H&B sending a lab raws they obtained and sent to the lab to make finished oils for their own customers. Probably they took for granted that what raws they've bought were what they were claimed to be and didn't bother getting them tested, nor did APD... they justify brewed, packed into existing empty vials/boxes with old batch# labels, and shipped.

Hopefully everyone who paid for bunk product does ultimately get reimbursed, it seems like H&B was at least putting an effort into that.

Lesson to be learned here is to buy your gear from someone who is trusted with a longstanding reputation and actually brewing it themselves (preferably with testing of both raws and finished oil on every batch) and not just reselling boxes of vials they receive in a shipment from another party, whether domestic or Chinese.
 
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