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[S.Sepiol]

Hello all,

New to the forums and wanted to introduce myself. 16 year GWOT vet and looking to pack on muscle mass and lean out a little for my first cycle. I was put on TRT recently (labs below) and am looking to stack. Im new to cycling and TRT. Open to feedback on dialing in my stack for great gains.
Details
Age: 47
Weight: 238
TRT: Test C 200mg/ml
Have been cruising at 200mg a week for about a month

Planned stack (16 weeks)
Test C 400mg a week x5 weeks | 500mg a week from 6-12 (pinned M/Th)
Arimidex 0.5 mg MWF
NPP 200mg a week starting week 3 and pinned with Test C (M/Th)
Anadrol 50mg a day for 3 weeks to round out the stack

This is my first stack and feel like its a beginner friendly cycle. I am on the fence with Anadrol since it has big boy sides

Bloodwork is old but here it is (01/12/2024):

Estradiol

30

11-43 (pg/mL)

Free Testosterone, Percent	1.91	1.60-2.90 (%)
Free Testosterone (calculation)	62	47-244 (pg/mL)
Testosterone Bioavailable	161	131-682 (ng/d

Testosterone Total

323.00

264.00-916.00 (ng/dL)

 

[Curlieque]

You can probably start lower, 300 and check blood work after 6 weeks to see if your g2g for increasing it. Adex could be too much for that low a dose. I use aromasin as it's not as potent. I'm only using 300mgs test/ week, just upped from 250/ week and seeing steady gains at 41. Keep an eye on BP as well.
Is your free testosterone 62 or 6. 62 would be pretty high esp with your low total T count.
Btw, what is GWOT? There's so many training techniques out there I get lost, lol. I just realized that could be a military term.

 

[S.Sepiol]

You can probably start lower, 300 and check blood work after 6 weeks to see if your g2g for increasing it. Adex could be too much for that low a dose. I use aromasin as it's not as potent. I'm only using 300mgs test/ week, just upped from 250/ week and seeing steady gains at 41. Keep an eye on BP as well.
Is your free testosterone 62 or 6. 62 would be pretty high esp with your low total T count.
Btw, what is GWOT? There's so many training techniques out there I get lost, lol. I just realized that could be a military term.

GWOT = Global War on Terrorism

 

[Wardamn]

Just run test.

Test only on a 1st cycle. You've got way too much going on.

 

[Meetketchup]

Just run test.

Test only on a 1st cycle. You've got way too much going on.

This. No need for an oral.

 

[KrossOut]

Hello all,

New to the forums and wanted to introduce myself. 16 year GWOT vet and looking to pack on muscle mass and lean out a little for my first cycle. I was put on TRT recently (labs below) and am looking to stack. Im new to cycling and TRT. Open to feedback on dialing in my stack for great gains.
Details
Age: 47
Weight: 238
TRT: Test C 200mg/ml
Have been cruising at 200mg a week for about a month

Planned stack (16 weeks)
Test C 400mg a week x5 weeks | 500mg a week from 6-12 (pinned M/Th)
Arimidex 0.5 mg MWF
NPP 200mg a week starting week 3 and pinned with Test C (M/Th)
Anadrol 50mg a day for 3 weeks to round out the stack

This is my first stack and feel like its a beginner friendly cycle. I am on the fence with Anadrol since it has big boy sides

Bloodwork is old but here it is (01/12/2024):

Estradiol

30

11-43 (pg/mL)

Free Testosterone, Percent	1.91	1.60-2.90 (%)
Free Testosterone (calculation)	62	47-244 (pg/mL)
Testosterone Bioavailable	161	131-682 (ng/d

Testosterone Total

323.00

264.00-916.00 (ng/dL)

Thank you for your service.

Run testosterone only that way if things get weird you know what to adjust. Testosterone will always be your base so it’s important to see how you respond to it as a single variable.

I’m 49. Toss the oral steroids out. The risk to return on those doesn’t make them worthwhile. You can accomplish the same with injectable non-methylated compounds. And stay away from tren. Don’t even bother.

 

[S.Sepiol]

Just run test.

Test only on a 1st cycle. You've got way too much going on.

This. No need for an oral.

So, drop the Anadrol and NPP ? Or just the oral?

 

[S.Sepiol]

ok then ill run test 1st cycle and document the base on that.
thanks for the advice

 

[Fletcher]

Hello all,

New to the forums and wanted to introduce myself. 16 year GWOT vet and looking to pack on muscle mass and lean out a little for my first cycle. I was put on TRT recently (labs below) and am looking to stack. Im new to cycling and TRT. Open to feedback on dialing in my stack for great gains.
Details
Age: 47
Weight: 238
TRT: Test C 200mg/ml
Have been cruising at 200mg a week for about a month

Planned stack (16 weeks)
Test C 400mg a week x5 weeks | 500mg a week from 6-12 (pinned M/Th)
Arimidex 0.5 mg MWF
NPP 200mg a week starting week 3 and pinned with Test C (M/Th)
Anadrol 50mg a day for 3 weeks to round out the stack

This is my first stack and feel like its a beginner friendly cycle. I am on the fence with Anadrol since it has big boy sides

Bloodwork is old but here it is (01/12/2024):

Estradiol

30

11-43 (pg/mL)

Free Testosterone, Percent	1.91	1.60-2.90 (%)
Free Testosterone (calculation)	62	47-244 (pg/mL)
Testosterone Bioavailable	161	131-682 (ng/d

Testosterone Total

323.00

264.00-916.00 (ng/dL)

Drop the arimidex, use aromasin.

 

[Sickxlost]

I agreee with dropping the oral brother. Not worth it for what it will accomplish…

I know the feeling of wanting to run a few things … I remember my first time list it was yesterday

My advice brother, run the test at the dose you have it and throw in 200-300mg of masteron. It’s a light compound and you will get the joy of running a few different compounds.

I would save the npp for the next cycle. I get some joint relief with deca so if your having joint issues maybe think about that next cycle.

This is a long term thing, not a race. Let’s get the test / mast cycle under your belt, get bloods halfway through and we can reevaluate.

 

[Deezo]

I agreee with dropping the oral brother. Not worth it for what it will accomplish…

I know the feeling of wanting to run a few things … I remember my first time list it was yesterday

My advice brother, run the test at the dose you have it and throw in 200-300mg of masteron. It’s a light compound and you will get the joy of running a few different compounds.

I would save the npp for the next cycle. I get some joint relief with deca so if your having joint issues maybe think about that next cycle.

This is a long term thing, not a race. Let’s get the test / mast cycle under your belt, get bloods halfway through and we can reevaluate.

How about "just a sprinkle" of oral?

 

[JD1155]

I would really caution against using anadrol for a first cycle and at 48. Personally I think the risk outweighs the reward.

 

[S.Sepiol]

I agreee with dropping the oral brother. Not worth it for what it will accomplish…

I know the feeling of wanting to run a few things … I remember my first time list it was yesterday

My advice brother, run the test at the dose you have it and throw in 200-300mg of masteron. It’s a light compound and you will get the joy of running a few different compounds.

I would save the npp for the next cycle. I get some joint relief with deca so if your having joint issues maybe think about that next cycle.

This is a long term thing, not a race. Let’s get the test / mast cycle under your belt, get bloods halfway through and we can reevaluate.

Fuck yeah! I was looking at mast at a 1:1 with the test.

I already got the NPP coming from H&B which ill do a TD for but i might hit a rep up to see if i can swap the arimidex for aromisin.


Had my Doc appt today and they scripted me more 200mg/ml test c x 12 week cycle then bloodwork. Told me not to worry about an AI yet... but im running 400mg a week Test C so what do y'all think?

 

[Sickxlost]

Fuck yeah! I was looking at mast at a 1:1 with the test.

I already got the NPP coming from H&B which ill do a TD for but i might hit a rep up to see if i can swap the arimidex for aromisin.


Had my Doc appt today and they scripted me more 200mg/ml test c x 12 week cycle then bloodwork. Told me not to worry about an AI yet... but im running 400mg a week Test C so what do y'all think?

What did your bloods say your e2 was at running the 400?

Do the test mast 1:1 you will love that brother. And it’s super light, won’t wear you down like the shit I’m on

 

[S.Sepiol]

@Fletcher

Hey Bro, I ran across your vitamin sup list and i can't find it again....


Can i get a list that you use please? Or if anyone has a good vitamin supp regime that works better than a GNC mulitvitamin


(I know pancreatin is on the list)

 

[S.Sepiol]

What did your bloods say your e2 was at running the 400?

Do the test mast 1:1 you will love that brother. And it’s super light, won’t wear you down like the shit I’m on

Wont know what my bioavailable and totals are until I do labs in 10 weeks

 

[Sickxlost]

Wont know what my bioavailable and totals are until I do labs in 10 weeks

Ah, maybe I misread.

I wouldn’t do an AI at 400 to start. Would wait to see if you have any sides.

Sore nipples, feeling lethargic etc… it will take several weeks to build in your system so I would ride it and let the bloods tell you for certain.

 

[Fletcher]

@Fletcher

Hey Bro, I ran across your vitamin sup list and i can't find it again....


Can i get a list that you use please? Or if anyone has a good vitamin supp regime that works better than a GNC mulitvitamin


(I know pancreatin is on the list)

Never mind the label, its WHOLE FOOD real vitamins, not sythetics, its affordable and the only diff is the DHEA which is great, and a little extra iron.
About $20/bottle and Ive been using these for over 6 months now.

Im going to make the FORGED by FLETCHER episode #3 my whole supp sched with doses and brands.

 

[1_of_1]

I would argue that’s not close to a beginner cycle. I agree with the test only recommendations. Why go above 400? Can you honestly answer that? Not being a dick, but trying to make you think about your choices. Why more than one compound? Again, just asking.

Another option if you are truly on trt at 200/wk is to maintain that and add primo, likely avoiding the need for an AI, getting more out of your trt dosage with an additional compound, and you gain insight into how your body reacts.

Other rhetorical questions….ho are the training eating sleeping habits.

To jump in and take all you listed without all these questions answered to yourself, not me, is the right way to get started brother.

Maybe you are there…just reading between the lines and trying to help.

 

[MarineMan]

47 year old GWOT vet here as well. I recently dipped my toes into this and had great success running bumping trt up to 400 and adding a little primo for E2 management. I did that for 20 weeks and made great gains with pronounced fat loss. As with anything diet and training were the key. With the exception of some acne and some lowered hdl I had no sides that I could notice and I monitor BP daily and get blood work regularly.
At almost 50 I'm not looking to get massive, just aiming for a little boost here and there and accelerated recomp.

 

[S.Sepiol]

47 year old GWOT vet here as well. I recently dipped my toes into this and had great success running bumping trt up to 400 and adding a little primo for E2 management. I did that for 20 weeks and made great gains with pronounced fat loss. As with anything diet and training were the key. With the exception of some acne and some lowered hdl I had no sides that I could notice and I monitor BP daily and get blood work regularly.
At almost 50 I'm not looking to get massive, just aiming for a little boost here and there and accelerated recomp.

I'm looking for the same results to be honest. That and seeing if i can still get cut and lean like i was able to back in the day

 

[MarineMan]

I'm looking for the same results to be honest. That and seeing if i can still get cut and lean like i was able to back in the day

I stuck to the following macros and aside from my weights routine did 30-50 hours of cardio 6 days per week. Dropped down from around 225 to 200 over 5 months and my strength kept climbing.
1850g calories
230g protein
93g carbs
62g fat

I posted another thread with my experience and bloodwork while running the T and P "Blood Work Opinions / Advice", if interested.

I'd allow myself one day per week where I would eat whatever the hell I wanted and have a couple drinks...nothing crazy.

I've been back on straight up TRT, 200mg week, for about 5 or 6 weeks now and have basically retained 90% of everything.

Going to do it again in another month or so. I've also thought about maybe just trying to cruise on a TRT plus of 300/100 Test/Primo and see how my bloodwork looks.
Primo nukes my E2 pretty good and so far I don;t seem to have any negative impact on my hair. I sport wicked short hair and cut it weekly so going bald is of little concern to me anyway.

I'm a total noob in all of this so just trying to be smart considering I'm almost 50. It's not like I'm back and the Corps and dumping whatever into my body without a second thought lol

 

[Meetketchup]

I'd allow myself one day per week where I would eat whatever the hell I wanted and have a couple drinks...nothing crazy.

Make it a meal, not the day. Do the meal and just up the calories a bit each day instead of gorging yourself for a whole day. Maximize the cycle and gains. If you can't get satisfied on one cheat meal per week without being at stupid low calories, you aren't ready to cycle.

 

[S.Sepiol]

I would argue that’s not close to a beginner cycle. I agree with the test only recommendations. Why go above 400? Can you honestly answer that? Not being a dick, but trying to make you think about your choices. Why more than one compound? Again, just asking.

Another option if you are truly on trt at 200/wk is to maintain that and add primo, likely avoiding the need for an AI, getting more out of your trt dosage with an additional compound, and you gain insight into how your body reacts.

Other rhetorical questions….ho are the training eating sleeping habits.

To jump in and take all you listed without all these questions answered to yourself, not me, is the right way to get started brother.

Maybe you are there…just reading between the lines and trying to help.

100% brother! If you dont have your basic building fundamentals and disciple you're just wasting gear, money, and your time

 

[Sickxlost]

Make it a meal, not the day. Do the meal and just up the calories a bit each day instead of gorging yourself for a whole day. Maximize the cycle and gains. If you can't get satisfied on one cheat meal per week without being at stupid low calories, you aren't ready to cycle.

I live by this !

I workout for me and my own demons. I don’t get on stage so I only torture myself most days. I used to “binge” on the 7th day and quickly realized make it one badass meal and stay on course.

Great advice.

 

[MarineMan]

Make it a meal, not the day. Do the meal and just up the calories a bit each day instead of gorging yourself for a whole day. Maximize the cycle and gains. If you can't get satisfied on one cheat meal per week without being at stupid low calories, you aren't ready to cycle.

That is basically what i do. Just worded it wrong. On that day I'll eat pizza, or a sub, something un regimented and maybe a desert. It's not a day of indulging. Honestly I find I feel like shit when I eat like shit...lol
I enjoy eating clean and eating mostly lean protein. I just feel all around better.

 

[S.Sepiol]

so just got in all my scripts and gear. Again, im only running Test C for this 1st run. Going to set up for a winter/spring cycle with additional stuffs.

I do want to run some Mast with the test tho.....

Anyway just newbie things Bros

 

[MarineMan]

I stuck to the following macros and aside from my weights routine did 30-50 hours of cardio 6 days per week. Dropped down from around 225 to 200 over 5 months and my strength kept climbing.
1850g calories
230g protein
93g carbs
62g fat

I posted another thread with my experience and bloodwork while running the T and P "Blood Work Opinions / Advice", if interested.

I'd allow myself one day per week where I would eat whatever the hell I wanted and have a couple drinks...nothing crazy.

I've been back on straight up TRT, 200mg week, for about 5 or 6 weeks now and have basically retained 90% of everything.

Going to do it again in another month or so. I've also thought about maybe just trying to cruise on a TRT plus of 300/100 Test/Primo and see how my bloodwork looks.
Primo nukes my E2 pretty good and so far I don;t seem to have any negative impact on my hair. I sport wicked short hair and cut it weekly so going bald is of little concern to me anyway.

I'm a total noob in all of this so just trying to be smart considering I'm almost 50. It's not like I'm back and the Corps and dumping whatever into my body without a second thought lol

I just noticed i typed 30-50 hours of cardio... ...no fucking way. It was 30-50 minutes of cardio...an hour if I was feeling froggy.