First time with DHB, advice needed

[badgerz94]

Now that I have hit 40, I stick to just one cycle per year. Normally I do the simple Test, NPP, Mast. But after experiencing hair loss with Mast, I started taking Finasteride and dropping the Mast.

After reading piles of articles and posts regarding the combination of NPP and Finasteride causing horrible shedding, I had a choice, keep the Finasteride and drop NPP or drop the Finasteride, keep the NPP and go on RU58841. RU58841 has too many issues with the heart for me to risk it (I use Losartan for BP).

So I am going to stay on the Finasteride (which helps with hair issues with Test) and substitute DHB for the NPP and Mast. I realize DHB isn't completely hair safe but it is better than Mast.

My question is: How much Test to use with DHB. I was thinking of using 300-350 per week of the DHB.

My stats as of this morning: 6' 6", 252 lbs., somewhere between 8 and 9% BF. I will start the cycle May 1 since I had a recent surgery and can only do light weights and cardio for the next 6-8 weeks according to my doctor. So I am guessing i will be around 240-245 lbs by then and an even lower BF.

Having never done DHB, I don't know what the Test/DHB ratio should be. Any help from previous DHB users would be appreciated.

 

[Phill]

there is absolutely no test/dhb ratio written in stone.
so you will hear many opinions and many alternatives .... in the end, it is your personal choice.

 

[Wiseguy]

there is absolutely no test/dhb ratio written in stone.
so you will hear many opinions and many alternatives .... in the end, it is your personal choice.

^^^^^ This my friend.

Also, if you are prone to hair loss you are still going to lose it, steroids just speeds it up. Test is not hair friendly either so this is a top that has been discussed countless times. I am 58 and been doing gear for over three decades stacking tren, halo, masteron, test, primo, var, winstrol which they all cause hair loss and I don't have that issue. I have friends that lost half of their hair with one year being on TRT 200 mg of test only.

Anyway, DHB is great at 400mg and its a EOD shot. Little painful (pip) but manageable of you are an experienced user. Like Phill said their is no ratio, but personally I like to keep test between 200 to 300 during every cycle.

Good luck my friend. Also, be careful with Finastrides sexual dysfunction sides. My personally I prefer to be completely bald than not able to perform in bed.

 

[Matt88]

DHB acts like Masteron in terms of it's anti Estrogen effect. Some guys can do 1:1 and some need more test than dhb/mast to keep their Estrogen from crash. Then there are those that can run their DHT much higher. It totally depends on how much Estrogen your body converts. I personally need more test than DHB, Mast, Primo, etc.

 

[Jbswole40]

Put your test where you feel comfortable at and start w 300-400dhb..
M,w,f or eod..

 

[SB Labs]

An assumption that must be ruled out is the idea that dihydrotestosterone (DHT) will always be the by-product of metabolic reactions between 5-alpha reductase and an anabolic steroid.

5-alpha reductase is an enzyme involved in steroid metabolism that can create androgenic metabolites (e.g. DHT) via a process called “5-alpha reduction”.

While several studies indeed support the idea that DHT is an influencer for hair-loss and that anabolic steroids all have a certain tendency to interact with 5-alpha reductase, most of the steroids used for bodybuilding and powerlifting are not potent substrates for 5-alpha reductase, if they interact at all.

Testosterone is the only anabolic steroid that is converted to DHT via 5-alpha reductase, which is contrary to the common misconception that all other anabolic steroids would also be converted to DHT.

Other steroids that are substrates for 5-alpha reductase are converted to unique metabolites with their own individual anabolic and androgenic potency.

For example, Boldenone (Equipoise) can be converted to dihydroboldenone (DHB) via 5-alpha reductase.

Nandrolone can be converted to dihydronandrolone (DHN) via 5-alpha reductase.

The two metabolites DHB and DHN each have their own unique anabolic and androgenic potency and will not be equal to one another, nor will they be equal to DHT.

 

[zionoir626]

I respond incredibly well to Low doses..At only 100mgs of DHB,I noticed a great difference..
As always, I suggest starting low with a New compound...
If PIP becomes an issue,just go 1:1 in the shot...5cc of each,DHB & Test..

Most love DHB...
Only ran across One Guy that had a problem..
Z ..

 

[maxmuscle1]

I respond incredibly well to Low doses..At only 100mgs of DHB,I noticed a great difference..
As always, I suggest starting low with a New compound...
If PIP becomes an issue,just go 1:1 in the shot...5cc of each,DHB & Test..

Most love DHB...
Only ran across One Guy that had a problem..
Z ..

Wonder if test Cyp/1-test Cyp(DHB) would be the best ? Seeing as they are both Cypionate. I did 4 mls once for a PIP test , but haven’t ran DHB for a blast . It’s very powerful!

Max
Most guys that don’t do Tren anymore tell me they have Tren-like effects .

 

[Jbswole40]

Wonder if test Cyp/1-test Cyp(DHB) would be the best ? Seeing as they are both Cypionate. I did 4 mls once for a PIP test , but haven’t ran DHB for a blast . It’s very powerful!

Max
Most guys that don’t do Tren anymore tell me they have Tren-like effects .

I ran test cyp 600 200mwf
Dhb 450 150mwf..I didn't start there but that how I finished..no need to go higher imo..
Muscle separation was nice at the time,I was extremely vascular

 

[maxmuscle1]

I ran test cyp 600 200mwf
Dhb 450 150mwf..I didn't start there but that how I finished..no need to go higher imo..
Muscle separation was nice at the time,I was extremely vascular

Appreciate the feedback. 2cc , 3x a week does not sound too hard. Definitely sounds like a great cycle for a non Tren user . I could imagine if NPP was added into that mix !

Max

 

[Jbswole40]

Appreciate the feedback. 2cc , 3x a week does not sound too hard. Definitely sounds like a great cycle for a non Tren user . I could imagine if NPP was added into that mix !

Max

I have done that too..tapped out around 9-10 weeks 10ml oil is alot

 

[Jaxz]

Fuck the hair run test ,tren and mast . Put so cialis ed in mic and just fuck the shit out of them . They will tell there girlfriends and the hair want matter lol

 

[Bolan]

Wonder if test Cyp/1-test Cyp(DHB) would be the best ? Seeing as they are both Cypionate. I did 4 mls once for a PIP test , but haven’t ran DHB for a blast . It’s very powerful!

Max
Most guys that don’t do Tren anymore tell me they have Tren-like effects .

I find NPP at doses a bit higher than 600mg week acts alot like Tren.
Its what I use in place nowadays.

 

[Testsubject1]

My only concern with dhb is does it raise your rbc as bad as eq being it's dirived from that compound

 

[zionoir626]

My only concern with dhb is does it raise your rbc as bad as eq being it's dirived from that compound

Nothing is as bad as EQ..
Drol comes in 2nd..
Z...

 

[AR-15]

6’ fucking 6” and weighs 250lbs. DAMN………

 

[badgerz94]

250 is my lowest weight since college. Over the years I have been as high as 290-295 but normally I found being around 265-270 is when I looked my best but at 44 it is just not sustainable to be that weight and still have 8-10% BF. I got sick of eating perfectly 95% of the time and multiple compound, high dosage cycles plus using Tren 1-2 times per year. At peak my arms were 20.5 inches while still having a 33 inch waist. Ahh, the glory days. Now I'm just a depressed, angry widower. If I ran one of my old cycles now, I'm afraid what it would do to me in my fragile mental state. It would not be good for either me or the doctor who killed my wife 7 months ago.

 

[zionoir626]

250 is my lowest weight since college. Over the years I have been as high as 290-295 but normally I found being around 265-270 is when I looked my best but at 44 it is just not sustainable to be that weight and still have 8-10% BF. I got sick of eating perfectly 95% of the time and multiple compound, high dosage cycles plus using Tren 1-2 times per year. At peak my arms were 20.5 inches while still having a 33 inch waist. Ahh, the glory days. Now I'm just a depressed, angry widower. If I ran one of my old cycles now, I'm afraid what it would do to me in my fragile mental state. It would not be good for either me or the doctor who killed my wife 7 months ago.

Brother
.I'm sorry about your loss..
I'm still grieving mine..
You need an Ear..I'm that Guy..!!
Z...

 

[302]

250 is my lowest weight since college. Over the years I have been as high as 290-295 but normally I found being around 265-270 is when I looked my best but at 44 it is just not sustainable to be that weight and still have 8-10% BF. I got sick of eating perfectly 95% of the time and multiple compound, high dosage cycles plus using Tren 1-2 times per year. At peak my arms were 20.5 inches while still having a 33 inch waist. Ahh, the glory days. Now I'm just a depressed, angry widower. If I ran one of my old cycles now, I'm afraid what it would do to me in my fragile mental state. It would not be good for either me or the doctor who killed my wife 7 months ago.

Damn man… sorry to hear that.
Sorry for that doctor to if that dhb acts anything like tren.
6’ 6” 250 lean.. sheesh…

 

[Eddiesixpack]

@badgerz94 please check them out if they are available where you live. My brother just lost his wife to cancer in February and they have been huge in his healing. Please don’t put it off. I promise there are people who know how you feel and will help you deal with it in a constructive way. Emphasis on Constructive.

Need Help Dealing with Grief? - GriefShare

GriefShare is a grief recovery support group where you can find help and healing for the hurt of losing a loved one.

www.griefshare.org

 

[ghisoverrated]

RU is bad for the heart? I thought it was relatively safe when applied topically.

 

[ghisoverrated]

I find NPP at doses a bit higher than 600mg week acts alot like Tren.
Its what I use in place nowadays.

really, it dries you out like tren? I always thought of deca and npp as a watery compounds.

 

[ghisoverrated]

DHB acts like Masteron in terms of it's anti Estrogen effect. Some guys can do 1:1 and some need more test than dhb/mast to keep their Estrogen from crash. Then there are those that can run their DHT much higher. It totally depends on how much Estrogen your body converts. I personally need more test than DHB, Mast, Primo, etc.

really DHB acts like masteron? where have you heard this? have you seen this play out in bloodwork? Ive been hearing mixed answers. Some say it increases estrogen, while others say it lowers it.

 

[Bolan]

really, it dries you out like tren? I always thought of deca and npp as a watery compounds.

Deca = Wet
Npp = Dry

 

[Matt88]

really DHB acts like masteron? where have you heard this? have you seen this play out in bloodwork? Ive been hearing mixed answers. Some say it increases estrogen, while others say it lowers it.

Yes. It is very similar in structure to Primo. Check out these write ups @maxmuscle1 did and one @Vision did.

It does NOT aromatize so it's impossible for it to increase estrogen via aromatization.

I did not do blood work while using the DHB but I know based on all the blood work I have done what my body feels like when my estrogen is low bc I get severe low estrogen side effects. The many times I've gotten blood work and saw my estrogen crashed allows me to know what I felt like and see those numbers. Is this a perfect and flawless assessment? No, obviously not bc blood work is the only true way to say it is crashed but you're just going to have to take my word for it

When my estrogen is low I get severe anxiety, depression, joint pain, lethergy, I'm mentally numb, no empathy, I'm not affectionate to my wife and I'm basically just a total hard ass without some estrogen. It's the perfect storm for poor mental health, feeling like I'm sick and for having relationship issues. Obviously this isn't the norm in regards to how guys respond to having low estrogen. I'm just giving you my personal experience and that experience/feeling with seeing the lab values for estrogen.

EP DHB "1-Test cyp" NEW Lab results & purchase ::HERE::

Dihydroboldenone/1-Test Cyp Revisited!!

 

[TotalWar]

Yes. It is very similar in structure to Primo. Check out these write ups @maxmuscle1 did and one @Vision did.

It does NOT aromatize so it's impossible for it to increase estrogen via aromatization.

I did not do blood work while using the DHB but I know based on all the blood work I have done what my body feels like when my estrogen is low bc I get severe low estrogen side effects. The many times I've gotten blood work and saw my estrogen crashed allows me to know what I felt like and see those numbers. Is this a perfect and flawless assessment? No, obviously not bc blood work is the only true way to say it is crashed but you're just going to have to take my word for it

When my estrogen is low I get severe anxiety, depression, joint pain, lethergy, I'm mentally numb, no empathy, I'm not affectionate to my wife and I'm basically just a total hard ass without some estrogen. It's the perfect storm for poor mental health, feeling like I'm sick and for having relationship issues. Obviously this isn't the norm in regards to how guys respond to having low estrogen. I'm just giving you my personal experience and that experience/feeling with seeing the lab values for estrogen.

EP DHB "1-Test cyp" NEW Lab results & purchase ::HERE::

Dihydroboldenone/1-Test Cyp Revisited!!

Def is more common than we think. I have those same effects. But since I convert so heavy its like impossible for me to crash it lmao especially cuz I've dialed it in so much now. My ai dose

 

[Matt88]

Def is more common than we think. I have those same effects. But since I convert so heavy its like impossible for me to crash it lmao especially cuz I've dialed it in so much now. My ai dose

I'm the opposite bro. I barley convert. Can we like do some trading? I'll take some of that conversation off your hands so I can run my primo higher For example right now I'm on 400 primo and my test has to be 600. If my test is 400 or even 500 I get terrible low e2 sides. I prefer a test dose around 400mg a wk but 200mg primo isn't much so here we are. I also use hcg to get more conversation and a lot of guys avoid hcg for that reason.

 

[TotalWar]

I'm the opposite bro. I barley convert. Can we like do some trading? I'll take some of that conversation off your hands so I can run my primo higher For example right now I'm on 400 primo and my test has to be 600. If my test is 400 or even 500 I get terrible low e2 sides. I prefer a test dose around 400mg a wk but 200mg primo isn't much so here we are. I also use hcg to get more conversation and a lot of guys avoid hcg for that reason.

Omfg. Bro u don't wanna trade trust me. You don't wanna know how much AI I need daily to be in range. It's obscene. Letro too. Bloods perfect tho lmao so idgaf. But I also realized hgh was spiking my prolactin SEVERELY which then shot my e2. No more hgh for me sadly. Ive tried every which way. Only pharma didnt do it to me somehow. It was Worse than 19nors and even ment ffs. Had to take caber constantly just on test and growth. So idk. I am trash genetics. Fucked up.

 

[Dogs_of_War]

My experience on DHB is you’re diet needs to be on point to really notice the benefits on DHB.

 

[Jbswole40]

Omfg. Bro u don't wanna trade trust me. You don't wanna know how much AI I need daily to be in range. It's obscene. Letro too. Bloods perfect tho lmao so idgaf. But I also realized hgh was spiking my prolactin SEVERELY which then shot my e2. No more hgh for me sadly. Ive tried every which way. Only pharma didnt do it to me somehow. It was Worse than 19nors and even ment ffs. Had to take caber constantly just on test and growth. So idk. I am trash genetics. Fucked up.

That's a 1st..interesting..