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"First Cycle" Tutorial Thread..!!

SB Labs
Thanks Cast..
Great stuff Brother..
Once we get satisfied we've covered the Bases..
I'll get one of my Mod friends to clean it up and organize it for easier reading and reference...
So the New Guys can return anytime and pickup wherever they stopped..
Can someone elaborate on PCT/TRT...and start the Estrogen Novel..lol
Z...
 
Thanks Cast..
Great stuff Brother..
Once we get satisfied we've covered the Bases..
I'll get one of my Mod friends to clean it up and organize it for easier reading and reference...
So the New Guys can return anytime and pickup wherever they stopped..
Can someone elaborate on PCT/TRT...and start the Estrogen Novel..lol
Z...
Thanks for working with me Z!
I'm here to help you staff guys do the great job ya'll have seemed to always do.
Just keep me posted on how I can help .
 
Thanks Cast..
Great stuff Brother..
Once we get satisfied we've covered the Bases..
I'll get one of my Mod friends to clean it up and organize it for easier reading and reference...
So the New Guys can return anytime and pickup wherever they stopped..
Can someone elaborate on PCT/TRT...and start the Estrogen Novel..lol
Z...
Here's one I wrote in like 2015...look 👇
 
The Ebbs & Flows over the years as far as PCT is concerned and debated! 🙄

I won’t argue with people anymore about PCT. You either understand it’s importance or you don’t. PCT, and by PCT I mean the drugs we choose to use and the cycle plan we have for them. I’ve learned to not only have some type of SERM or AI (usually both) always on hand because I’m always worried about estrogen rebound and testicular atrophy…even when I’m off cycle, and have run a solid and fruitful post cycle. ** Now I'm extremely more AI timid than I was then....to many guys take WAY TO FUCKIN MUCH AROMATASE INIHIBITORS AND END UP WITH E2 LEVELS THAT MAKE YOU START TO EMOTIONALLY STRUGGLE.
Low Estrogen can suck as bad as low Test.

Here it is guys…You need to have your Nolva, Clomid, Fareston, Letro, Adex, Teslac….whatever you will be using in hand before you do your first injection on the first day of your cycle. These drugs don’t just help us recover, they also help us to be both PRO-active and RE-active in the face of possible side effects. But having aromatase inhibitors is just like having a fire extinguisher.
The determining factor on aromatase, be it controlling it or just keeping it monitored is not you using the "feels" method....it's your lab results and a professionals instruction that leads to success and avoids....well....possibly tits and a ton of awkward explaining.

This is the “rub” if you will…plan your cycle. That is going to be step one. Then plan your PCT. It should form fit the type of cycle you are running in terms of suppression of hpta, length of suppression, and this is determined by the steroids you are coming off of. Now…we’ve said 1) plan cycle; 2) plan PCT; 3) begin to order your supplements…but don’t get the fun stuff in first and then worry with the PCT drugs later….HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO RUN AND RECOVER IN YOUR HANDS BEFORE YOU BEGIN ANYTHING!!!! Some will say that’s dumb, and some won’t understand why it matters, but I say this—-You are on week 6 of a 12 week mass building cycle. You are in the gym doing squats and your spotter is eye-screwing some girl on the treadmill and doesn’t notice you bury yourself under 6 plates for set number 4/ rep number 5….your ankle and lower back give, and….well, any number of bad things can happen from there. Bottom line bro-you’re hurt. You can’t workout because the doctors just stuffed your insides back into your rectum and to top it off- you have no drugs to cycle off. But I've once more left out the vital ruler of your cycle future in a manner of speaking.
LABS PRE CYCLEE, CONTINUE TO SEE DOC OR GET HORMONE PANELS THROUGHOUT CYCLE. AND DON'T IGNORE WHAT YOUR BODY IS SAYING VIA BLOOD HORMONE RESULTS!!!!

Plan your cycles carefully and by using research and for God's sake get lab work and then allow results to guide you !

Running steroids isn't taking creatine in the locker room after practice.....it can seriously cause problems if not done responsibility.

Lets look at why PCT isn’t something to take lightly.

1) PCT drugs help your hpta return to pre cycle...hopefully! LH & FSH must begin natural production.

2) PCT serves as the dividing line between on and off cycle, remember…there should be no grey area when it comes to “off cycle time.”

3) PCT, when worked properly will minimize muscle loss and maximise positive mood and energy after you stop AAS administration.

Forgive my revised repost of an older write up on PCT, but as I live and breat, you have to understand the awsome importance of a personalized and effective post cycle therapy in tandem with good trusted blood work.

FOR ANY NEWBIES...PLEASE FEEL THE SERIOUSNESS I'M ATTEMPTING TO INDOCTRINATE INTO YOUR SUB-CONSCIENCE .

PLEASE ask any questions you may have. The only stupid question is a question you say fuck it...I ain't asking that....

Thanks for reading and hopefully taking something away with this.
 
I think I would have benefited greatly had I done more research. When I first started gear however there was a ton of bad information floating around so a huge recommendation is that if you hear multiple sources of information repeatedly stating the same piece of information then that should get your attention. Understanding what things like half life, serum levels, maintaining sterilization, steroid profiles, androgenic vs anabolic, how steroids break down in the body, estrogen control, etc should all be understood way before ordering.

Keep it simple
Generally speaking a simple test e or c cycle a 500mgs per week with split dose(example Mon, Wed)

Less is more
The less amount of chemicals you use the better your understanding of what you are feeling will be

Don’t take ancillaries just because you ordered them
Always have any cycle support compounds in hand BEFORE starting but don’t think that just because you ordered them that you have to take them. Bloodwork is the only thing that should dictate cycle support modification.

Bloodwork
Know what type of panel to order and how to order bloods. I use the female panel because it gives more information on estrogen and other post breakdown hormones. The lab tech taking the blood has no idea what tests you ordered. Pay attention to if the test has a cap for testosterone because some cap out and if you are at that cap then not only is your gear good but testosterone levels are probably considerably higher. Also pull bloods before you start to establish baseline, and then again at around the halfway mark, and finally after PCT to see how well you rebounded.

Don’t drink or do hard drugs
If this is something you can’t avoid then you should address this far more pressing health concern first.

Focus on diet
Put good in get good out, I wish that when I had fresh receptors I would have focused on this element more. Steroids are masters at nutrient partitioning so if you have a great diet in place you will get so much more bang for the buck.

Have a solid training routine in place and hopefully you are in good shape overall. Gear isn’t a magic bullet that is going to transform your physique by itself, you have to want it and work for it.

Set realistic goals and expectations

Don’t be a dick and go off protocol, wreck yourself, and then spill all over the forum with help me. That being said if something doesn’t feel right ask questions, 99% of the time vets will say bloodwork, newbs will tell you what you should do and what doses without knowing what is causing whatever you are asking about.

Log it, add value to the forum and share your experience but if you are more introverted then at the very least log for yourself.

There are so many more things to hit on but my post hits a lot of the key points. Be safe, have fun, and grow.


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Tons of fantastic posts here. I hope the new guys take time to read it. I've always been the one to recommend slow start. Never understood the 500mg of test standard for a newbie. After 30 years of cycling I never go over 300mg and still have outstanding results. For someone to start completely green taking 500mg is huge.

My recommendation for first cycle is test and keep it under 300mg. Very easy to recover and for most there will be zero sides with the exception of muscle soreness from the needle.
 
Here is the most thorough list I can come up with listing as many Anabolic Steroids / PED's, etc:


Anabolic Steroids:

Injectable, Oral, Transdermal

Anabolicum Vister (Quinbolone)
Anadrol (Oxymetholone)
Anadur (Nandrolone Hexylphenylpropionate)
Anavar (Oxandrolone)
Andriol (Testosterone Undecanoate)
Androgel (Transdermal Testosterone)
Bolasterone (Myagen)
Cheque Drops (Mibolerone)
Danocrine (Danazol)
Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate)
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone)
Dianabol / Dbol (Methandrostenolone)
Dynabolon (Nandrolone Undecanoate)
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate)
Esiclene (Formebolone)
Halotestin
Laurabolin (Nandrolone Laurate)
Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate)
Megagrisevit (Clostebol Acetate)
Methandriol Dipropionate
Methyltestosterone
Methyltrienolone
Miotolan (Furazabol)
Nilevar (Norethandrolone)
Omnadren 250
Oral Turinabol
Parabolan (Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate)
Primobolan (Methenolone Acetate)
Primobolan Depot (Methenolone Enanthate)
Primoteston Depot (Testosterone Enanthate)
Proviron (Mesterolone)
Sten (Testosterone / DHEA)
Stenox (Fluoxymesterone)
Sustanon 250
Testosterone Cypionate
Testosterone Enanthate
Testosterone Phenylpropionate
Testosterone Base(no ester)
Testosterone Propionate
Testosterone Suspension
Testoviron
THG (The Clear) *****
Thioderon
Transdermal Testosterone
Trenbolone Acetate
Trenbolone Enanthate
Trestolone Acetate (MENT)
Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Winstrol Depot (Stanozolol)

Other Performance-Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) and Ancillary Drugs

AICAR
Albuterol (Salbutamol)
Arimidex (Anastrozole)
Aromasin (Exemestane)
Avodart (Dutasteride)
Cialis (Tadalifil)
CJC-1295
Clenbuterol
Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)
Cytadren (Aminoglutethimide)
Cytomel (T3)
Deprenyl (Selegiline)
DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol)
Dostinex (Cabergoline)
Ephedrine Hydrochloride
Epogen / EPO (Erythropoietin)
Evista (Raloxifene Hydrochloride)
Fareston (Toremifene Citrate)
Femara (Letrozole)
GHRP-6 (Growth Hormone Releasing Hexapeptide)
hCG (Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin)
Hexarelin
hGH (Human Growth Hormone)
IGF-1 (Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1)
IGF-1-BP3
Insulin
Ketotifen
Levitra (Vardenafil)
Melanotan II (MT-II)
MGF (Mechano Growth Factor)
Mod GRF 1-29
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate)
Parlodel (Bromocriptine Mesylate)
PEG-MGF (PEGylated Mechano Growth Factor)
Proscar (Finasteride)
Prostaglandin PGF2a
TB-500
Telmisartan
Teslac (Testolactone)
Thyroxine (T4)
Viagra (Sildenafil Citrate)

****The Clear was created by the infamous chemist Patrick Arnold. It resulted in a huge doping scandal in professional sports. Think McGuire, Sosa and a shitload of home runs!

Some of the listed are quite obscure and hard to impossible to find.
Google Dan Duchaine and Bill Roberts if you want some good AAS history, as well as, and I may catch he'll for this, Millard Baker. He, in my opinion is one of many pioneers in the Steroid discussion forum as it is today. He, Basskiller, Mugzy, LizardKing, HeavyIron I'mincluding as well. ....it's a list I'm sure many vets can add to and hope they do.

There is a little history lesson. Vets please chime in.
 
Great thread, Z.

To me a first cycle should be ONLY test and running it at 500mg and NO other compounds at this time. Get bloodwork before you start to get the baseline values, at midpoint (where gear is kicking in) and at end to show the changes and how your body responds to gear. This info can help plan future cycles and when you can introduce new compounds. Remember research is key!!!

Another point is that the best age to start with gear is around 25 and by then you'd have experience with training and diet.
 
Ok..Gentlemen..
So we are putting together a Tutorial Thread to lay out some Basic Fundamentals...
This will talk about the importance of Test Only...Bloodwork and Estrogen Control..
Laying out the Baseline Bloodwork, during cycle Bloodwork and after cycle bloods..
Ways to Control Estrogen with AI's..
What Test Esters to use..how long and doses..
Reasons and Logic behind Test Only...
A Broad Overview..but something the New Users can Read and Educate themselves with..
Something we can Refer New Guys too...instead of countless replies on the same topic..

Also....
Some input from some members personal experiences..
Basically...hints,tips and things that worked..Also things that Didn't Work..

I believe ASF could greatly benefit from such a Thread..it would not only Educate, but also..free up the Forum..
We get 5 to 10 threads a week on First Cycle Questions..
If nothing but educating..a Win..Win..!!

So..if you want...
Type a few words...or a page..
Stuff that the New Guy (or Girl) might find very useful in the beginning of their Journey..

Remember..this is for those guys with next to No Knowledge about gear..
Thanksgiving Guys
Z...
Do you offer training? you should if you dont. People should hire you instead of buying bullshit supplements.
 
Im going to post my 1 and only 1st cycle protocol (including support supps)... we need this thread stickied bc Im tired af of seeing "1st cycle what are your thoughts" type of posts... 99% of which are guys who:
1. Have it all wrong
2. Are focused on gear and not training, sleep, nutrition or supplements.
3. Have already made up their minds and purchased their supplies BEFORE asking for veteran advice.
4. Got their "plan" from , Reddit, Youtube, "my buddy", "this guy at my gym", Instagram, MPMD channel, a "pro-coach" (that no one has ever heard of, bc they aren't a pro-coach, that they found on FB), or "based on my research" which consisted of spending an hour on Youtube, Reddit, FB, or talking to someone they think knows something.

The laziness, ignorance, mis-guidedness, and apathy in regards to self-education with the "1st cycle" crowd is staggering, disgusting, frustrating, and pathetic.

Thank you @zionoir626 for stsrting this thread bc it needed to be done, however, its going to be useless, unless it gets stickied. It will fade in a week or 2 and we will be right back to square 1.

Even as a sticky, it will only help the new guys who are willing to read more than 3 sentences.

People are so gd lazy... it went from "I dont wanna read, isnt there a video?" to "I saw a video about it but it was like 25min long and I dont have time" to "tell me what to do in 1 sentence".

KNOWLEDGE is the FIRST THING TO AQUIRE FOR A CYCLE!!!!
Before you buy gear, before you buy protien, before you choose supplements, before bloodwork, before ANYTHING.

I spent 2 YEARS READING The Physicians Desk References for several hours per week before ever even attempting to find gear. There was no Youtube, there were no forums, there was no INTERNET.

Everytime the PDR mentioned a word I didnt understand... I looked up THAT word and understood it before reading the next word.

The most important work in regards to bodybuilding... is the MENTAL WORK!
 
Do you offer training? you should if you dont. People should hire you instead of buying bullshit supplements.
Your missing the key component...Orals stacked with test and tren suspension!

Guys to us..this is Funny..
All jokes aside..remember this is collection of view points, personal experiences and Failures..
Along with Helpful information to Educate and Guild the New Users..
And some references material for them to familiarize with to understand what We're talking about in Threads..

I'm thinking the best place for this Thread is probably at the Top of the Anabolic Sub..

Once we feel we've covered the Basic Fundamentals of the Full Spectrum of Information regarding First Cycles..I'll have a Mod..Organize, add Post and Preserve this Tutorial Thread for Future New Members to be referred Too..For Years to Come..

Ok..
I'd like Vis..Matt88..Dragon Slayer or anyone else who really gets deep in the Estrogen and TRT
Topics..

Although..every aspect of the First Cycles are important, Understanding Estrogen is a big one..And really needs to be dissected and layed out..in a way the New Guys can fully comprehend..
Z...
 
Do you offer training? you should if you dont. People should hire you instead of buying bullshit supplements.

In my experience..
Whenever I try and turn something I love to do..into a money maker, I Bastardize It..!!
We all Help in our own ways here at ASF..
Over the years..the Stickies have either been ignored or omitted over time..
Definitely we have a lack of understanding in two Major areas..
Bloodwork and Estrogen Control..
Coupled with a constant barrage of First Cycle Questions..

Yes there's a ton to familiar one's self with prior to Pinning..
This Tutorial Thread ..Hopefully will Answer 75-90% of the recurring posts..

Remember guys..I'm just an Average Joe, like most of us here..
Just have picked up some things, along the Way..like everyone else..

The goal of Vets here is to Educate and Guild..pass on our Victories as well as Failures..
And..
That's exactly what we're trying to do Here..
Z...
 
SB Labs
Here are some online hormone tests:



 
Here are some online hormone tests:




THE ABOVE ARE JUST A FEW OPTIONS FOR BLOODWORK BUT I MOSTLY POSTED TO SHOW IT TOOK ME A GOOGLE SEARCH AND I WAS GIVEN MORE THAN ENOUGH CHOICES.
NO EXCUSES NOT TO HAVE PANELS PERFORMED.
 
THE ABOVE ARE JUST A FEW OPTIONS FOR BLOODWORK BUT I MOSTLY POSTED TO SHOW IT TOOK ME A GOOGLE SEARCH AND I WAS GIVEN MORE THAN ENOUGH CHOICES.
NO EXCUSES NOT TO HAVE PANELS PERFORMED.
Even if you can't get to a lab there's some decent at home tests out there that are very usable. So agreed, there's options for testing. For those who live in certain states that require blood tests be ordered only by doctors licensed in that state there's workarounds for that too.
 
I really can’t add much to the great advice already given.

But my advice is simple; if you are considering using steroids for the first time, your immediate thought after should be “DON’T!”

I am not saying you should never use them. I am saying that your flow chart/ladder diagram, is probably waaaay out of sequence.

With very few exceptions, (and I mean almost never), I see that there are so many holes in a persons diet, training, lifestyle and all the other things involved, that steroids are “putting the cart before the horse”.
I know it is more than tempting to jump on the gear in hopes of putting on muscle faster. But what I see is guys putting on that quick muscle and NONE of it staying, because that muscle doesn’t survive being off cycle without all the other things, the most important things, being dialed in.

You see those guys in the gym who look the same year after year? It isn’t because they haven’t used steroids. It’s because they don’t do any of the majority of all the other things required.
Or today’s youths, who I see running around the gym, looking at themselves more than they admire their phones, baby muscle coming in, smooth thick skin, loaded with acne. Guys are pinning tren their first cycle simply because of some gear glorifying “influencer” they worship on the mostly bullshit worth internet.

If you are sub 30, don’t use gear until you have perfected every other aspect of the game. If you want to be a pro bodybuilder and want to get going ASAP, then know that you STILL need to dial everything in FIRST.
If you are just a dude who wants to look swole so he can get chicks, then what are you going to do when all those chicks find out your dick doesn’t work? How many young people need to use viagra and cialis? Too fucking many. It has become ridiculous.

There is a ton of information on the internet. Most of it bad. You need to read ALL of it and decide what makes sense and what seems like crap. It’s tough. But that’s what we are here for.

You’ll still get shit advice here. But it is up to you to glean useful information from all of it.

Most of all. Hire a competent coach. You wanna talk about a daunting task? I can’t tell you how many new clients come to me after a year with another coach, and I just stare at their past programs with utter amazement. I mostly feel sorry (and frustrated) for them.

Bottom line: steroids are not what you have been led to believe by the media, the government and the fucking internet.
 
Ok Guys..
I just saw another Train wreck of a First Cycle..
Just some elaboration on Estrogen Control and TRT..
AND
I think I can get a Mod to move a few post to this Tutorial Thread and clean it up a little..
And get it Out..
Z...
 
Testosterone Replacement Therapy..TRT

Buy Definition it's adding Testosterone to bring your too low Natural Test Levels back to a Reasonable Level..

TRT is a lifelong commitment, not a temporary fix..!!
Once one's Natural Test Level has dipped below a Normal Level..
AND
After trying other methods..Nothing really Works..
It's time to bit the Bullet..!!

You can either live with low Testosterone levels, which Sucks..!!
OR
Go on TRT..

Doses,Compounds and Frequency..

This is where it varies greatly..and becomes individual..
I've seen 75mg of Test a week to 300mgs..
Everything ffrom Propionate to Decanate..
Once a day to Once a Week..

Rarely have I ever seen, someone Nail It with their 1st try..
Moreover, many adjustments and tweaks are required..

Personally, I run 150 Test E and 100 of Deca per week..
I feel way too strong on 200 even though I'm still in the 800's..
But that's Me..

Bloodwork and Overall Feel is the only way to Really know..

Just Remember..whatever you run as TRT..when Blasting those doses have to increase..
Z...
 
Some good a general advice already given here. If anyone reading has any specific questions I'm more than happy to help work through them with you.

One thing I think a lot of people need to think about before even considering steroids. Ask yourself, "Am I comfortable with the fact that I will likely need inject myself with a needle at least 2 times as week, if not more, for the rest of my life"?
 
To many times I have seen the anxiousness of a new lifter overide the ability to listen to reality. The posts so far in this thread are spot on and contain a whole lot of useful information.

I can't stress enough if you are just starting out and you have done your research, and I mean research, not just listening to your gym bros and making the decision to proceed.

You have to understand that this is a lifestyle and it is a 100% commitment. Not just to aas use, but to yourself. With the #1 priority of your health.

The first thing you need to do before jumping on is get your bloodwork done so ypu have a baseline and also to ensure you're able to run aas.

Employ the K.I.S.S method (keep it stupid simple). Make sure you have your A.I on hand and all that you need to complete your first cycle and come off smart. I see so many young guys wanting to blast and cruise and if youre young that is stupid. Why you may ask, because if you ever want to have kids you will want to cycle on and off. If youre older like me and have already had your kids then blast and cruise. And dont call it TRT if youre cruising at 250, that cycling. Be real with yourself.

First cycle should only be Testosterone, period!

Dont over complicate things. You have to understand your body and how it reacts to these different hormones. Keep a log of how you are feeling. Shots should be twice a week using a long esther compound. For an ai i use arimidex at .5 EOD just to keep my estrogen in check. But that is because I have years of bloods and know what my body needs. You will have to learn that about yourself and that takes time.

Last but not least, I ccan't ell you how many times I read or hear my diet is on point. 90% of the time a person new to the game, their diet is shit. You will not make the gains you want, or be as healthy as you need to be if your diet isn't 100% .

Focus on nutrition, that is your number 1 goal. Once you have that dialed in, then go a step further and introduce aas. You want the right gains and without nutrition you will not accomplish this.
 
So the verdict is:

Test ONLY and after you done your research and you've had some years of training and diet under your belt. Get bloodwork done before, midpoint and after to judge how your body handled it and to spot any issues.

Keep on a consistent training and diet during cycle. Also don't get too greedy with weights as that's asking for serious injury.

Once you got through a first cycle successfully and liking the results you finally made it to the dark side!
 

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