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First cycle, anavar only

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I plan on using anavar at 50mg ED while cutting for 6 weeks

For PCT: Nolvadex 20mg ED for 4 weeks(more if needed)

I'm posting this because I'm interested to hear opinions on why this would be a good or bad idea for a first cycle, and why.
 
test only, first. Anavar I think at and dose wont wont give you as much benifet as what test at 600mg a week would. Add test to you anavar then youve got a cycle worth running IMO
 
Darkshadowlander said:
test only, first. Anavar I think at and dose wont wont give you as much benifet as what test at 600mg a week would. Add test to you anavar then youve got a cycle worth running IMO
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thanks, I was somewhat expecting this response and I am also considering test only as it seems to be strongly recommended for first cycle. As far as running test+var goes I'd prefer to go with just one drug for my first cycle.
 
Darkshadowlander said:
test only, first. Anavar I think at and dose wont wont give you as much benifet as what test at 600mg a week would. Add test to you anavar then youve got a cycle worth running IMO
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Any reason you prefer 600 over 500 mg weekly? If 100 mg makes that much of a difference, might as well make it 700. (serious question)
 
Archer said:
thanks, I was somewhat expecting this response and I am also considering test only as it seems to be strongly recommended for first cycle. As far as running test+var goes I'd prefer to go with just one drug for my first cycle.
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That is very well thought out that you only want to take one compound on your first run! I applaud that for sure. I think a simple Test only run would be the best option for you...
 
Not really sure, normally i start at 600 for a few weeks up it to 800 or so last few weeks im normally at 1-1.2g. I only said 600 just as a lower dose for a first cycle.
 
Generally speaking test should be a base for all cycles. However if there is one compound you'd do without test it would be Anavar IMHO. It doesn't have the same impact on your HPTA so the "need" for exogenous test isn't as great. Var is great for strength and cutting. A high affinity for the AR's which are found in fat is why it's good for fat loss. The gains from Var are easily kept after cycle as well with minimal loss as compared to other compounds. Var is also not as hepatoxic as other orals so your liver isn't as affected and will rebound easier.

Now, personally I don't think 50mg's a day is enough, certainly not if it's all you're doing. I'd say 80-100 ED and you'll be doing very well. I know it's your first cycle so maybe start at 50 then after a month move up and so on.
 
DaMaster said:
Generally speaking test should be a base for all cycles. However if there is one compound you'd do without test it would be Anavar IMHO. It doesn't have the same impact on your HPTA so the "need" for exogenous test isn't as great. Var is great for strength and cutting. A high affinity for the AR's which are found in fat is why it's good for fat loss. The gains from Var are easily kept after cycle as well with minimal loss as compared to other compounds. Var is also not as hepatoxic as other orals so your liver isn't as affected and will rebound easier.

Now, personally I don't think 50mg's a day is enough, certainly not if it's all you're doing. I'd say 80-100 ED and you'll be doing very well. I know it's your first cycle so maybe start at 50 then after a month move up and so on.
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I agree with you about the dose, I hear by some that 50mg is plenty, but yet I see pictures of guys running it at 100 and tend to think 100 is the way to go.
 
Darkshadowlander said:
I agree with you about the dose, I hear by some that 50mg is plenty, but yet I see pictures of guys running it at 100 and tend to think 100 is the way to go.
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we may feel some benefit from 50 but not much. If I'm going to do a Var only run I'll run it at the top. It's such a light drug on all counts. 50 ED at the end of a regular run with other compounds? Sure sounds great to me. But for a stand alone run there's no reason other than being cautious, which is fine, to run it that low.
 
DaMaster said:
we may feel some benefit from 50 but not much. If I'm going to do a Var only run I'll run it at the top. It's such a light drug on all counts. 50 ED at the end of a regular run with other compounds? Sure sounds great to me. But for a stand alone run there's no reason other than being cautious, which is fine, to run it that low.
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being cautious is the main reason I'm thinking of only going for 50 ED, as you said it might be a good idea to start at 50 and after a month up the dose
 
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Archer said:
being cautious is the main reason I'm thinking of only going for 50 ED, as you said it might be a good idea to start at 50 and after a month up the dose
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That's cool bro. You have to feel comfortable with what you're doing. Eventually you'll see/feel/understand the things you hear others taking about. But that takes time and experience. It's always a good thing to learn and build your confidence and understanding as well as your muscles. Try it out and take notice how it works for you, how you feel, how you recover from your workouts etc. These are the experiences that teach us more than anything. We just have to listen when our bodies speak to us. Knowledge is power.
 
I ran 100mgs of var alone and had great gains. My BF% was really low tho so the var made it better. If you're looking to cut and your diet is good test alone will work fine. I really mean a good diet too not some BS. You can run a low dose (300mgs test) and var 50mgs ED and it will be a good cycle. Diet is key!
 
First and foremost, what are your stats,age,and years lifting? is your diet in check? do you have an understanding about your macro nutrition?
for the question at hand-
This could be done but I think you can get more of bang for your buck with test, and achieve greater results. I suggest Test E

Test E 500mgs 1-12
hcg 2-12 ( Its not necessary, but a suggestion)
Tamoxifin 14-18 40/40/20/20
clomid 14-17 50/50/50
 
Nocode8511 said:
I ran 100mgs of var alone and had great gains. My BF% was really low tho so the var made it better. If you're looking to cut and your diet is good test alone will work fine. I really mean a good diet too not some BS. You can run a low dose (300mgs test) and var 50mgs ED and it will be a good cycle. Diet is key!
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How many weeks was you running the var?
 
Ill add to whats previously mentioned and recommend test for your first cycle.

I had some good experience with anavar. I never ran it under 80mg per day though.
 
Vision said:
First and foremost, what are your stats,age,and years lifting? is your diet in check? do you have an understanding about your macro nutrition?
for the question at hand-
This could be done but I think you can get more of bang for your buck with test, and achieve greater results. I suggest Test E

Test E 500mgs 1-12
hcg 2-12 ( Its not necessary, but a suggestion)
Tamoxifin 14-18 40/40/20/20
clomid 14-17 50/50/50
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been lifting four years(seriously for three)

5'7" 184lbs at about 14%bf and 21 years old, diet is in check, currently transitioning from bulk to cut so slowly dieting down,
 
Not bad stats at all. You have alot of options and all should yeild good gains. All the suggestions seem safe to me, I say pick one a run it im sure youll be happy.
 
Archer said:
been lifting four years(seriously for three)

5'7" 184lbs at about 14%bf and 21 years old, diet is in check, currently transitioning from bulk to cut so slowly dieting down,
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Dude, go natty for as long as ya can. You can hit 200+ with low bf before you cycle.
 
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I believe your young enough still to achieve much more with out any compounds, but you obviously have been doing some research ( per the PCT addition to your cycle ).
If your standing firm on running a cycle regardless, the basic test is all you need, even lowering it to 250mgs for 12 weeks is more than sufficient..500mgs TOPS.. no more, test only as a stand alone..
 
even at 5'7'? I know its possible but natural with a decent diet is still going to take some time so if you go this route be paitent, you gains will remain slow but be all keepable. Of course at the OPs age you make a vaild point. I cycled fairly young, it probley wasnt even nessecary then as I still had room to grow. Good advice Nocode.
 
Darkshadowlander said:
even at 5'7'? I know its possible but natural with a decent diet is still going to take some time so if you go this route be paitent, you gains will remain slow but be all keepable. Of course at the OPs age you make a vaild point. I cycled fairly young, it probley wasnt even nessecary then as I still had room to grow. Good advice Nocode.
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out of curiosity how young were you when you first cycled? I've read threads on a bunch of other forums where someone a similar age to me tries to ask about advice for a first cycle and just gets responses telling him he's too young and he'll destroy himself etc cycling before 25
 
Theres alot of guys that start young I started at 21, not at all advising anyone to do that. Some people like myself at first was to bullheaded to listen to anyone with real knowledge of bodybuilding. But in the end people are going to do what they want reguardless. Id offer any help as im sure anyone else here would reguardless of what path you choice.


Also I never had any health issues by doing so.
 
thanks these forums have been very helpful, I'm not eniterely decided on which way to go yet but exploring options. does anyone think i should use HCG or Aromsin during a var or test cycle?
 

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