Fake Tren?

[Deuce]

To me test is test.
I pin sust e3d or e4d, exactly the same as I would pin Test E, C or any other blend.
If you travel to asia or middle east you can get them very cheap, can't go wrong for 4.5USD per a vial of pharma grade sust.
Also got Test E for 2USD a vial (straight from a pharmacy)

Oh wow I need to travel over seas. I bet it isn't easy to get back through customs though......

 

[Deuce]

Well guys, today was my first day of 90mg prop and same 50mg tren as before. Feeling pretty damn anxious and mood is different like I'm quick to anger. I was expecting anything so I believe this is real. I also am very short of breath while in the gym and especially during cardio.

I feel like my lung capacity/endurance is significantly worse than a week ago. Still been sleeping like a baby and sweating doesn't seem that different, maybe a little hotter now and then. Anxiety and endurance/breathing are definitely more apparent. Possibly something???

 

[RAINier]

Well guys, today was my first day of 90mg prop and same 50mg tren as before. Feeling pretty damn anxious and mood is different like I'm quick to anger. I was expecting anything so I believe this is real. I also am very short of breath while in the gym and especially during cardio.

I feel like my lung capacity/endurance is significantly worse than a week ago. Still been sleeping like a baby and sweating doesn't seem that different, maybe a little hotter now and then. Anxiety and endurance/breathing are definitely more apparent. Possibly something???

It's the tren. Personally, I would just forget cardio while on tren.

 

[hhsbigmike]

^ I'm quickly noticing this... even regular sets of 8-10 are rendering me so out of breath it's crazy

 

[Deuce]

It's the tren. Personally, I would just forget cardio while on tren.

Lol can't do that man. Gotta shed this fat!

^ I'm quickly noticing this... even regular sets of 8-10 are rendering me so out of breath it's crazy

Hell maybe I'm just being impatient. Since I've upped my prop some sides have gotten worse. My sleeping is really interrupted now. I was on sleep meds last night and slept better but still up rolling over like 15-20 times a night it seems. When I'm trying to go to sleep I can hear my heart beating like crazy like I'm running clen or something? My prop is at 630mg/wk right now. Thinking of upping my tren to 525mg/wk to get something out of it. I just don't feel all that "on" just some sides it seems. Mood seems good today so maybe that's the test? This shit may be real afterall??

 

[hhsbigmike]

I think you're ok man... I didn't get solid noticeable strength gains till the 3 week mark of Tren Ace, so either there is an issue with the sponsors Tren or it's common.

MLG Tren Ace & E at 300 each per week, 600mg total

 

[Deuce]

I think you're ok man... I didn't get solid noticeable strength gains till the 3 week mark of Tren Ace, so either there is an issue with the sponsors Tren or it's common.

MLG Tren Ace & E at 300 each per week, 600mg total

So you were running tren ace and enan or tren ace and test e?

 

[hhsbigmike]

Running this:

GrAnabolic Sust 325
MLG Tren Ace
MLG Tren E
Aculeus Labs Anadrol

 

[Deuce]

Any reason you're running two esters of tren big mike?

 

[RAINier]

Lol can't do that man. Gotta shed this fat!



Hell maybe I'm just being impatient. Since I've upped my prop some sides have gotten worse. My sleeping is really interrupted now. I was on sleep meds last night and slept better but still up rolling over like 15-20 times a night it seems. When I'm trying to go to sleep I can hear my heart beating like crazy like I'm running clen or something? My prop is at 630mg/wk right now. Thinking of upping my tren to 525mg/wk to get something out of it. I just don't feel all that "on" just some sides it seems. Mood seems good today so maybe that's the test? This shit may be real afterall??

The sleep and "hearing your heartbeat at night" are both tren side effects. The fat with tren will fall off anyway if you're at a 20% deficit, no need for cardio. Your metabolism is already in "overdrive." Just eat much less on off days instead of trying to burn calories.

 

[Dannie]

Any reason you're running two esters of tren big mike?

My guess is that 200mg of Tren E costs only slightly more than 100mg of Tren A.
Also once sides become too much to handle, one can simply stop pinning Tren A.

 

[Deuce]

My guess is that 200mg of Tren E costs only slightly more than 100mg of Tren A.
Also once sides become too much to handle, one can simply stop pinning Tren A.

Yea but I just don't see the point in running them both at once. If you stopped tren a I'm sure it would still take a while for the sides to go away since the tren e would still be active in your system for much longer. Only reason I can figure is that he didn't have enough of one?

 

[Dannie]

He is on 300mg of Tren A and 300mg of Tren E. If he was to stop pinning (or reduce the dose of) Tren A he would soon be left with much less Tren in his system. Possibly at 400mg the sides would be bearable for him.
I for that example run Tri-Tren (all 3 esters) and Tren A on top of it.

 

[Deuce]

He is on 300mg of Tren A and 300mg of Tren E. If he was to stop pinning (or reduce the dose of) Tren A he would soon be left with much less Tren in his system. Possibly at 400mg the sides would be bearable for him.
I for that example run Tri-Tren (all 3 esters) and Tren A on top of it.

I suppose thats a good point. Thanks for clearing that up man.

 

[Deuce]

Hey guys got a serious proposition here. Ok, pretty sure I'm getting the sides from tren ace. I've been experiencing them and they've been getting worse since I upped my test prop to 630mg/wk. So currently at test prop 630mg/wk and tren ace 350mg/wk.

On to the sides....I pretty well feel like shit lol my skin is on fire, can't sleep worth a damn, started sweating a good bit in my sleep last night in addition to shitty sleeping. I'm still short on breath but don't really have any anxiety now it seems. Slightly irritable but nothing bad. So maybe the tren is real? No real good sides yet. Be the two week mark tomorrow. Oh yea and sore as muscle, thanks a lot prop and tren! Been doing ED injects.

Question: You guys think I should just stay where I am at or up the tren to be at say 525mg tren and 630mg prop(this choice doesn't make much sense mind you). Or....lower the prop to 350mg and up tren to 525mg to feel more of the tren.(only problem there is that if the tren isn't good then I'll probably be pissed I dropped the prop.

What you guys think?

 

[Dannie]

Sweating on cycle is not related to tren only as many think, but androgen level- so both test and tren cause it.

 

[Deuce]

Sweating on cycle is not related to tren only as many think, but androgen level- so both test and tren cause it.

Yea I know that but I'm a lot hotter than I was on just test and never had this much trouble sleeping on test. Also, never had trouble breathing while on test. Really don't remember sweating in my sleep either on test.

Anybody have any advice on what dosing protocol I should follow though?

 

[RAINier]

Sweating on cycle is not related to tren only as many think, but androgen level- so both test and tren cause it.

I'm not sure what the actual mechanism is, but 400mg tren certainly seems to do a lot worse than 400mg testosterone in terms of sides like this and sleeping. Test will cause it at much higher doses though.

 

[RAINier]

Hey guys got a serious proposition here. Ok, pretty sure I'm getting the sides from tren ace. I've been experiencing them and they've been getting worse since I upped my test prop to 630mg/wk. So currently at test prop 630mg/wk and tren ace 350mg/wk.

On to the sides....I pretty well feel like shit lol my skin is on fire, can't sleep worth a damn, started sweating a good bit in my sleep last night in addition to shitty sleeping. I'm still short on breath but don't really have any anxiety now it seems. Slightly irritable but nothing bad. So maybe the tren is real? No real good sides yet. Be the two week mark tomorrow. Oh yea and sore as muscle, thanks a lot prop and tren! Been doing ED injects.

Question: You guys think I should just stay where I am at or up the tren to be at say 525mg tren and 630mg prop(this choice doesn't make much sense mind you). Or....lower the prop to 350mg and up tren to 525mg to feel more of the tren.(only problem there is that if the tren isn't good then I'll probably be pissed I dropped the prop.

What you guys think?

Judging by your sides, the tren is likely good.

Seeing as you're running both short esters, I'd give 350mg test and 525mg tren a try for a week or two and see how you feel by the end. Many people swear that lower test than tren dosages give them less side effects. I wouldn't at all up the tren without lowering the prop. 525 is quite the jump from 350, even if it doesn't seem like much. Either stay where you are, or modify the dosage as so^^

What are your gains like?

 

[Deuce]

Judging by your sides, the tren is likely good.

Seeing as you're running both short esters, I'd give 350mg test and 525mg tren a try for a week or two and see how you feel by the end. Many people swear that lower test than tren dosages give them less side effects. I wouldn't at all up the tren without lowering the prop. 525 is quite the jump from 350, even if it doesn't seem like much. Either stay where you are, or modify the dosage as so^^

What are your gains like?

Thanks for the advice rainier, this is what I had planned to do, up my tren and lower test. Um haven't noticed a lot of gains at all really yet. Pumps are a little better but no real strength gains. I am cutting and on low calories so that may hinder my gains a little bit. Using this to cut. But again I'm not quite two weeks in so I'm still optimistic. Hopefully see some positives soon!

 

[RAINier]

Thanks for the advice rainier, this is what I had planned to do, up my tren and lower test. Um haven't noticed a lot of gains at all really yet. Pumps are a little better but no real strength gains. I am cutting and on low calories so that may hinder my gains a little bit. Using this to cut. But again I'm not quite two weeks in so I'm still optimistic. Hopefully see some positives soon!

They'll come. Make sure to not cut too drastically (just slightly under your usual maintenance will be fine, remember AAS will drastically up your maintenance requirements anyway).
You should see visible changes soon. What's your protein macro and cal count at the moment?

 

[Deuce]

They'll come. Make sure to not cut too drastically (just slightly under your usual maintenance will be fine, remember AAS will drastically up your maintenance requirements anyway).
You should see visible changes soon. What's your protein macro and cal count at the moment?

I try to eat really clean. Protein is usually around 200 or so and try to keep my calories at or under 2000. I seem to really hold onto weight. Not real worried about dropping too quickly. Never had that problem

 

[gearbill]

bro so ur tren guess they're legit? i'm also brewing my own tren from powder and the powder got some kind of sour smells to it...

 

[Crazy]

Hows the exp with the Tren coming along man? I take it you didn't shit in the box and return it...

 

[Deuce]

bro so ur tren guess they're legit? i'm also brewing my own tren from powder and the powder got some kind of sour smells to it...

Yea mine smells kind of sour and has a yellow color to it.

 

[Deuce]

Hows the exp with the Tren coming along man? I take it you didn't shit in the box and return it...

Lol no I didn't do that. Its going pretty good. I don't feel like crazy as shit but I think it is still working just don't know how pure it is. Problem is, I've never ran tren before...or prop for that matter. I should have got both from a good source so I knew how my body responds to it. Oh well, live and learn.

I'm down a couple pounds and think I look bigger so whatever. Also, intensity and strength seems to be up in the gym.

Breathing is still shit and if I have any stress at all its always worse than normal. Like I have an interview today and have been irritable as hell lol

 

[Dannie]

How about vascularity?
I am in my 2nd week of Tri tren + extra Tren Ace cycle, got some crazy vains poping out and I am not even that lean - around 12% bf

 

[Deuce]

I'm probably a little higher body fat than you about 14% probably. Can't see my abs unless I flex and then not all of them lol I'm fat but I am seeing a few more veins but not necessarily like I should be I don't think.

 

[Dannie]

Give it one more week and don't forget to update the tread.

 

[Deuce]

Oh yea I'll probably just run it througout the cycle. I'm getting a lot of the sides and my workouts are definitely better. I think its maybe just not that pure. I'll keep this going though