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Does anyone use Winstrol anymore?

Skylerjohnson1996 said:
They say trest if you can manage the sides works great for strength
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Indeed it is. I've used used up to 25mg/day without test, currently using 2.5mg/day with HRT test. It aromatizes about 35% as much as test, but its aromatization product is about 4x as potent in terms of activity at the estrogen receptors, despite similar (102%) binding affinity as estradiol. Neither trestolone nor its estrogenic product can bind to SHBG, that is blocked by 7a-methylation. So 35mg/day trestolone gives about as much estrogen as 350mg/wk test - so about 140% the estrogenicity but about 700% the anabolism on a mg-per-mg basis.

Testosterone is not required with trestolone, since it does convert to a biologically active estrogen and it is a sufficiently potent androgen to replace DHT, but HRT test (70-105mg/wk) is best to keep something bound to SHBG (there are cell surface receptors for SHBG with bound sex hormones) and also product some DHT to allow formation of neurologically active metabolites ie 3a-androstanediol. Typical bodybuilding doses of testosterone and trestolone together will just compound estrogen problems, if needed Aromasin seems to be best for controlling them. So choose either higher trestolone with very low (or no) testosterone, or very low trestolone with higher testosterone doses.

Also worth mentioning that 19-nors (nandrolone, trenbolone, and trestolone and YK11 too) are steroidal SARMs at very low doses, i.e. selective to muscle and bone. Unfortunately that selectivity is lost at typically used bodybuilding doses.
 
Wiseguy said:
My brother I use it all the time for show prep. Never exceeded 50mg for 4 weeks. Also, never been a PR or a heavy lifter. All my workouts have been high reps lower weight so strength no issue. Never had any joint issues either.
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I already had joint issues. Eq relieves them. Winny skyrocketed them. I don’t think winny would bother healthy joints on a short run.
 
Wiseguy said:
Like I always say these drugs are not cookie cutters. Everyone reacts differently.
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I agree. My guess is that reducing the hydration of thick and healthy cartilage for a short period once or twice a year will not cause long term problems and will not be noticed in the short term. But doing the same thing to thin and torn cartilage resulted in a lot of pain, so I didn’t even last a full week.

The cycle you add it to might make a difference as well. I was adding it to a low dose of EQ. Adding it to something wetter, like high dose test or deca, might dry you back to normal instead of excessively.

I did all my bulking pretty much batty. OTC AI’s was the only thing I ventured into until I was done trying to get any bigger. If I ever try to bulk again, I may run a wetter cycle and Winstrol might be useful to me without causing problems.

I suspect that healthy joints could handle Winstrol in a very dry cycle. I don’t know if worn out joints can handle it in a wet cycle or not.
 
Ah, nothing quite like this compound to turn my skin into a battlefield of acne. It’s a love-hate relationship, really. On one hand, I adored its effects; on the other, the cramping was nothing short of a horror show. I vividly remember one night waking up from a deep sleep, only to find my legs contorted in such agony that I had to crawl across the floor like a crab—legs twisted in a painful limbo, neither stretched nor curled. Truly a sight to behold.🤪🦀

I had written this stuff off years ago, convinced it was the enemy.🤦

But gotta be real for a moment: this compound is seriously underrated when used in minuscule doses. It can actually help free up testosterone and offset estrogen conversion. Who knew? It’s almost like there’s a silver lining hidden beneath all that chaos! 🤷
 
SB Labs
If you take it with a little anadrol or dbol will that offset some of the dry tendon sides?
 
Oddly I just had this convo this am. To a “T”
I understand and feel the way you do. My all
time favorite oral. I’m not young anymore, low 40’s. 9% BF and train
5-6 days a week. Started it back up 17 days ago. Stopped it on day 18. Just like you said, “glass”. I was brittle, felt like my
tendons were fucking ripping in half. It was so bad on my final night , I almost bitched out and went to the ER. My body cannot handle it anymore. Which is sad, because it’s my favorite, but I’m sure my liver is happy. Thought ahh, 6-8 for summer no big deal. Well, I was wrong. Guess var will have to do. I feel you man.
 
Reprisal 6 said:
It's great for me regarding amplified CNS boost. Great pre-workout at 25mgs. Downside is the constant cramping. Hands and fingers lock up, abs, calves... and my elbows feel like they were hit with a hammer.
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I cramp from anavar but not winstrol. To combat the cramping I take 500mg magnesium 3 times a day, 2 grams of Taurine 3 times a day, and eat a banana of two. 🍌
 
xz010101 said:
Do you take magnesium glycinate? Glycinate has a nice calming effect.
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I read about the various types of magnesium and just decided to get a blend of all three. I couldn’t figure out which was best so I figured get the blend:
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Still widely used by just about every BBer.
I high dosed it for this recent show i did.
Usually do a mix of Var and Winny and just pushed the winny with some halo.
Good visually difference maker. Increased strength. Dry as nails.
I personally dont get the dry joints from it either.
 

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