Crystallized Gear

[Astro95]

Correct..
And I see that avatar..congratulations is in order..

Diaper wipe warmer works fine..shouldn't be in a hurry tho

Yes sir I’ll shoot you a dm

 

[Oldschool1]

Right on man, I'm glad everything came back.
Something to keep in mind, when some items do crash, and you able to bring them back, don't be alarmed when you go to grab it again and it's crashed.
That can sometimes happen and you'll repeat the process and after that it's very unlikely to happen again.
This is a brutal winner all the way around, in some areas most especially mine were experiencing record lows.
Moving forward, grab all your items before winter. Oct/Nov lastest.....
March and after shipping is good again...

I’ve noticed over the years mine will do it randomly.. even kept at a constant 70.. it seems to be temp related but I don’t understand how mine is doing that kept at a constant temperature.. some bottles will sit there a month fine.. then after the first draw or two they just do it

 

[chadmack282]

Never put whole vial under the water. Water may leak inside.
Id suggest to put vials into a zip lock bag or two, boil some water then let the bad with vials sit there for some time
You can microwave it as well.

I will put mine in water anytime B4 I put the metal crimp on tops in microwave

 

[Oldschool1]

I will put mine in water anytime B4 I put the metal crimp on tops in microwave

Hoping he means microwave the water.. I do quick and easy gets the temp above tap water then I just set the vial in it… done

 

[Vision]

I’ve noticed over the years mine will do it randomly.. even kept at a constant 70.. it seems to be temp related but I don’t understand how mine is doing that kept at a constant temperature.. some bottles will sit there a month fine.. then after the first draw or two they just do it

Brother it happens, I even have a stash of my pharmaceutical TRT, and on occasions I'll find the few of them like that.
If someone only has a couple bottles, chances of them seeing happening is slim to none, but if they have more than a handful that's more product that puts them in a position to possibly see even greater chances of this happening.
I have several bottles of Sust Just sitting, in two of them actually fell out.
I had Stenbolone fall out, and 1-test Cyp..
This is mostly common with more of the exotic compounds, blends, or at times higher dose compounds.

 

[BC22]

Brother it happens, I even have a stash of my pharmaceutical TRT, and on occasions I'll find the few of them like that.
If someone only has a couple bottles, chances of them seeing happening is slim to none, but if they have more than a handful that's more product that puts them in a position to possibly see even greater chances of this happening.
I have several bottles of Sust Just sitting, in two of them actually fell out.
I had Stenbolone fall out, and 1-test Cyp..
This is mostly common with more of the exotic compounds, blends, or at times higher dose compounds.

Are certain oils more susceptible to crashing in your experience? My Pharmaceutical Test (GSO) has crashed multiple times, but I’ve also got some MCT and CSO and those have been fine.

 

[Vision]

Are certain oils more susceptible to crashing in your experience? My Pharmaceutical Test (GSO) has crashed multiple times, but I’ve also got some MCT and CSO and those have been fine.

Far as the carrier delivery vehicle, They are nothing but the transporter, simply just the messenger carrying the message, it really comes down to the stability of the molecule, the hormone, and the ratio is stabilizers/solvents. In most cases the stabilizer solvent is the last suspect, it's mostly very sensitive hormones.

Test Cyp For an example, has a higher chance in tendency to crash during transit the most other hormones.

Pharmaceutical companies have even put out pamphlets that pertain to this, for customers in the US.

This is another reason why it's absolutely ridiculous when people try to attempt to make test Cyp at a higher dosage, it will crash after 200, 200 is the ceiling.

DHB, test Cyp, Stenbolone, Sust are some of the most sensitive.

 

[domestic-supply]

You know better not to microwave it, of all people you were the last person I expect to say that.

Don't nuke it.

For one there's a metal cap.

Secondly there's pockets of areas that will reach super super high levels of heat, compared to others.

Kind of like putting a Hot Pocket in the microwave, we take a bite and it's piping hot burning our mouth, then the next bite it's frozen..

The heat is not distributed evenly even though it's a smaller item..
It can overly cook and scorch the hormone, and that could potentially denture it.

Microwaves only reach 215-220° tops on average, Yet brewing gear at certain temps can be around the same with melting points or slightly more..
But I don't trust that with microwaves, I've seen flashpoints on data where they can get way higher 350° or greater.

It's totally not worth it..

Did it many times. Nothing ever happened. Its just time consuming to heat it with a hot water.
Start with 1 minute, cook more than 1 minute if needed.
Sorry if it doesnt meet your expectations.

 

[Colbymac]

Did it many times. Nothing ever happened. Its just time consuming to heat it with a hot water.
Start with 1 minute, cook more than 1 minute if needed.
Sorry if it doesnt meet your expectations.

Do you mean to say that you are using the microwave to heat the water up in a coffee mug or something? And not actually putting the vial of gear on the microwave?

 

[Colbymac]

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[domestic-supply]

Once you get it back into solution, it shouldn't crash again... If it does, contact the source.

Oh it happens bro, it will crash again and again. Cold weather is not the main reason gear is getting crystallized.
Mainly it happens if it wasnt cooked properly from the beginning. Wrong brewing time or wrong brewing temperature. Not enough solvents added is another reason.
Steroids raws have different melting points too. Haver you ever seen EQ raw material? Its not a powder, it looks like a honey, thats why you can easily dissolve 600mg of Eq in 1ml
I have expired Alpha Pharma Mastebolin which I have to boil every week because its getting crystallized all the time and I store it at the room temperature

 

[domestic-supply]

Do you mean to say that you are using the microwave to heat the water up in a coffee mug or something? And not actually putting the vial of gear on the microwave?

I mean to say you can put a vial into a microwave owen and heat it for 1 minute. No water.

 

[Bolan]

Oh it happens bro, it will crash again and again. Cold weather is not the main reason gear is getting crystallized.
Mainly it happens if it wasnt cooked properly from the beginning. Wrong brewing time or wrong brewing temperature. Not enough solvents added is another reason.
Steroids raws have different melting points too. Haver you ever seen EQ raw material? Its not a powder, it looks like a honey, thats why you can easily dissolve 600mg of Eq in 1ml
I have expired Alpha Pharma Mastebolin which I have to boil every week because its getting crystallized all the time and I store it at the room temperature

I do realize that if it does crash again that its junk and I would contact the source
but Today it is -21 here... Everything crashes in this weather. Ive literally had to warm up every vial I get in the winter in the past 34 years or so. Ive seen em so bad that its just a bottle of ice... even the carrier froze.
Yeah.. I remember EQ raws, I use to brew often in my hey day. I would only order my raws in the winter because EQ and TE like to melt at room temp.
Somebody was telling me that they ship EQ in bottles now? More like a liquid?

 

[Vision]

Did it many times. Nothing ever happened. Its just time consuming to heat it with a hot water.
Start with 1 minute, cook more than 1 minute if needed.
Sorry if it doesnt meet your expectations.

It's not my expectations, I'm not the only one questioning this practice.

 

[domestic-supply]

I do realize that if it does crash again that its junk and I would contact the source
but Today it is -21 here... Everything crashes in this weather. Ive literally had to warm up every vial I get in the winter in the past 34 years or so. Ive seen em so bad that its just a bottle of ice... even the carrier froze.
Yeah.. I remember EQ raws, I use to brew often in my hey day. I would only order my raws in the winter because EQ and TE like to melt at room temp.
Somebody was telling me that they ship EQ in bottles now? More like a liquid?

Definitely not junk, even though its expired and getting crystallized. I used that product and I know brand owner pretty well
Frankly speaking the subject of the discussion is not worth the 2 pages.
Yes, you can use the gear that got crystallized.
If you think using a microwave oves is a bad idea then use the hot water.

 

[domestic-supply]

You know better not to microwave it, of all people you were the last person I expect to say that.

It's not my expectations, I'm not the only one questioning this practice.

Not your expectations? OK

 

[Colbymac]

Not your expectations? OK

Maybe he meant “anticipated” more than he had an expectation?
Either way, we’ve gotten some information out of the thread.
Thanks!

 

[TXlifter89]

Like mentioned….stovetop, candle warmer, baby wipe warmer. Any of the above. I always use low heat on a candle warmer (120 degrees or so) bring it to solution and leave it there for about 2-3 extra minutes and good to go. High concentration test cyp is damn near expected IMO especially at 300mg/ML. Doesn’t mean the gear is trash or anything like that just probably going to be a pain in the ass to keep in solution especially when it’s cold out.

 

[JG1]

I had some gear land today that was shipped during the snow/ice storms last week. It showed up extremely crystallized, but was able to slowly and gently warm the vials up under Luke warm water and my hands. What’s left now is the bottoms of the vials with a small layer of crystals. Any ideas or protocol to get the mass at the bottom to cleanly dissolve? Or
Does this need to be tossed? I don’t want to share the source as it’s not his fault, imo, and I’m just looking to see what I can/should do. Before and after pics attached

Thanks!

Put it in the oven on 300 for 30 minutes and you'll be good to go.

 

[Syntha Claus]

As regular as these threads come up, I am a bit surprised no one has suggested an air fryer. Get with the times and the love for all things air fryer.

But don’t…for the record.
People really do complicated this.

Half inch of water in frying pan, bring to a boil. Turn off heat, place vials in pan, forget about them.
Come back in an hour to perfectly pinnable gear.

If you live in a cold house, get a baby wipe warmer. Good for the gear, good for smooth pinning.

 

[gp0385316]

I had some gear land today that was shipped during the snow/ice storms last week. It showed up extremely crystallized, but was able to slowly and gently warm the vials up under Luke warm water and my hands. What’s left now is the bottoms of the vials with a small layer of crystals. Any ideas or protocol to get the mass at the bottom to cleanly dissolve? Or
Does this need to be tossed? I don’t want to share the source as it’s not his fault, imo, and I’m just looking to see what I can/should do. Before and after pics attached

Thanks!

I believe it crashed. Heating it should have cleared it all up, not sure why it didn't

I have had this happen. I would heat it, it would return to normal, I then could use it. Next time I went to use it It had to be heated again. So, I guess this does happen.

I don't know much when it comes to making the stuff. All I know is I NEVER saw a pharma grade drug crash ever.

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[gp0385316]

It should be fine once you warm it up a bit more. I’ve had it happen a couple times now with my pharmacy stuff so it’s not uncommon anywhere you get it.

You had test right from a pharmacy that crashed?? I was just writing I've never seen pharma grade crash.

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[big_rich]

I just brought back 3 vials. I wrapped them up in a heat pad on high, they are clear as can be now. Over a week and still in solution.

 

[Vision]

fixing-crashed-gear-please-read
Hyperlink to thread above...

Below is a pic displaying crashed gear that was corrected by myself using the method suggested below..

This thread is an attempt to better educate people in this lifestyle that are unfamiliar with crashed gear and for those that may have recently received some products via mail that arrived appearing crystalized or even foggy.

There is many misconceptions that float around suggesting that the product is sub-par and not good, for the moment this is true.
However, there is hope and this can be corrected using a very simple and easy method to remelt/reconstitute the parenting hormone back into the carrier oil using a heating process via stove or hot water.

What causes this to happen? In most cases this is due to cold weather and extreme temperature changes during shipping in the winter months. This is a good reason why it's highly suggested to purchase the compounds you need ahead of the predicted cold season, depending on your geographical location or shipping dispensary.
In other rare cases it could be due to lack of solvents that are added for stability with holding the parenting hormone in it's melted position.

FYI: This even happens with pharmaceutical testosterone cypionate, as a consequence of shipping/transportation to pharmaceutical dispensaries in cold weather. News letters have been made for customers provided by these pharma corps advising the recipient on how to correct this or get a replacement if needed. This is NOT out of the ordinary or unusual for hormones to crash!

How to correct this for safe use and administration?

1) This is simple, basically what is required is to remelt/reconstitute the parenting hormone into the carrier oil (heating process via stove or hot water)
You will need a small saucer pan or pot, fill with water until you are able to submerge the vial slightly under the neck (80%).

2) Bring water to a boil and place the vial inside the very center. Allow to sit for a few minutes (2 mins), remove and examine, roll the product around and shake if needed to break up the crystals, re-submerge again and repeat this process. If needed, you may vent the vial using a needle tip, despite that I find that it is often very unnecessary (Unless you are keeping the vial submerged for longer durations)

3) Continuously remover the vial and if necessary flick the sides to get the polymers/crystals to release from the interior of the vial walls. You CAN shake slightly aggressively to break up the crystals in order to assist with faster melting and falling back into position.

Notes: Testosterone cypionate, 1-Testosterone Cypionate and Stenbolone Acetate all can be extremely sensitive especially with cold weather, the same applies for all other oil base hormones as well, on the other hand some or simple more sensitive than others. A lot of vendors like to keep matters like this swept under the carpet when the reality is this is something that is an unfortunate reality even with pharmaceutical grade products.. It truly does happen more often than not. Addressing the matter with a solution and finding a fix is what's important.

Proper storage - Simple Rules gentleman, always store all of your unused contents away from direct light and avoid extreme climate differences whether hot or cold.. Room temperature is the best setting (65-75 degrees fahrenheit) and avoid exposure to moisture, do NOT store outdoors, in storages places or other areas that may be exposed to sudden temperature changes..

Added bonus read "Gear expiration date"
Just about the majority of medications including anabolic steroids that are injectables and orals all have a relatively long lifespan. The expiration date is something that was implemented by the FDA to basically give a time span for the safe practice and and overstock value which was put into place by the United States military with an investigation back in the mid-70s. Researchers and medical facilities worldwide have conducted multiple tests on numerous medications and found that even decades after expiration dates expired they still possessed almost there full potential in which they were originally labeled at.
However there is exceptions with certain medications that are extremely sensitive and delicate, for this information you would need to research these medications for the sensitivities and shelf life.

For gear to expire or degrade quickly someone would really need to have these compounds in a pretty piss poor environment, such as constant exposure to UV lighting, continuous exposure to hot/cold temperatures, even than the hormone may not degrade significantly but most likely just fall out of its position (crash)..
As said prior when it concerns AAS and the real actual shelf life it can be up to decades exceeding 10 years. (Certain carrier oils do expire faster than others and this will affect the medications shelf life)

 

[BC22]

You had test right from a pharmacy that crashed?? I was just writing I've never seen pharma grade crash.

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Yup. From a compounding pharmacy. It’s the only vial that’s ever crashed on me.

 

[Vision]

You had test right from a pharmacy that crashed?? I was just writing I've never seen pharma grade crash.

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This happens all the time, there's times where these pharmaceutical companies even put out leaflets, that specifically give a heads up to their clients.. They advised their clients on what they can do with it, And they are even subjected to replacement if they want it.

It has happened to me, sitting at room temperature I received it, and it was probably around June and it was crashed.

 

[BC22]

This happens all the time, there's times where these pharmaceutical companies even put out leaflets, that specifically give a heads up to their clients.. They advised their clients on what they can do with it, And they are even subjected to replacement if they want it.

It has happened to me, sitting at room temperature I received it, and it was probably around June and it was crashed.

Similar situation. Mine kept crashing and was stored with other vials that had no issue. The pharmacy took it back and replaced it for me.

 

[Vision]

Similar situation. Mine kept crashing and was stored with other vials that had no issue. The pharmacy took it back and replaced it for me.

It happens. Well the good thing is, They will always honor and never deny a replacement.
With sources, it's kind of hard because, to a degree most sources will honor a replacement depending on the time of year and if the item won't come back.
But it's not unusual for some source is to deny this, because some scammers use an old trick with trying to get more gear.
With intentionally crashing their gear in the freezer, taking photos, threatening to post them online if they're not replaced.
This is where you can't beat pharmacy quality test

 

[Colbymac]

It happens. Well the good thing is, They will always honor and never deny a replacement.
With sources, it's kind of hard because, to a degree most sources will honor a replacement depending on the time of year and if the item won't come back.
But it's not unusual for some source is to deny this, because some scammers use an old trick with trying to get more gear.
With intentionally crashing their gear in the freezer, taking photos, threatening to post them online if they're not replaced.
This is where you can't beat pharmacy quality test

That’s dirty shit..
although mine never stopped crashing to this day (stored the the replacement he sent plus other vials that have not crashed), the gear is still good. He was cool and replaced it just because it’s a giant pain in the ass to “fix” every day. I offered to send the crashed gear back, but he was easy to deal with and just chalked it up to the weather and said to keep it.
Shout out to @ApexAnabolics - solid dude.

 

[Vision]

That’s dirty shit..
although mine never stopped crashing to this day (stored the the replacement he sent plus other vials that have not crashed), the gear is still good. He was cool and replaced it just because it’s a giant pain in the ass to “fix” every day. I offered to send the crashed gear back, but he was easy to deal with and just chalked it up to the weather and said to keep it.
Shout out to @ApexAnabolics - solid dude.

Yeah man pretty much like I said most shops will replace it, it's really rare and on occasions that they won't.
It's pretty much easy to pinpoint who's scamming and who's not.
If someone has zero history , and is a 1st ordered in the winter -
2 x test Cyp.
4 x primo
2 x sus.

And of all their gear, ONLY the Primo crashed, but not the sensitive Cyp or Sust during the cold weather most especially at a time of the year when these products crashed the most, but only the most expensive one that hardly ever crashes, crashes. And they give threats that if it's not replaced they will go public.
That's an ultimatum, with an attempt to hold a gun to someone's head.