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Asking for opinions and help on this one. Started my bulking cycle off with 400 test e weekly,15mg trest ace a day, and 50mg anavar pre workout. I ended up dropping the ment 4 weeks in. Blood pressure was out of control. Now on week 7 of cycle. Blood pressure is down almost to normal. I’m wondering what to add in to finish the cycle. I was gonna just run test e 500mg weekly for 24ish weeks but I’m thinking of adding another compound with it. Primo,eq,npp, etc.
 
I ended up dropping the ment 4 weeks
This one came out of the left field. Didn’t even list it as compound you were using. Why 15mg of tren everyday? That doesn’t even justify sticking a needle in me, much less daily. How much do you weigh? How tall? Are you built or a couch potato that jumped on gear?

Also, are you making gains? How far are you into the cycle?
 
This one came out of the left field. Didn’t even list it as compound you were using. Why 15mg of tren everyday? That doesn’t even justify sticking a needle in me, much less daily. How much do you weigh? How tall? Are you built or a couch potato that jumped on gear?

Also, are you making gains? How far are you into the cycle?
He said 15 mg trest ace twice a day.. come on Astro!! 210 mg a week.. sounds like plenty I think.. I’m scared of that shit.
 
My mind on tren I swear I read tren instead of trest… then him saying he got off ment I was like what? 🤣 I’m leaving hahaha 15mgs a day tho. Not twice, we both blind 😂😂
Lol! Now I feel stupid.. it’ must be the tren. So that’s 100 mg of ment. Isn’t that still a decent dose. I really have no clue.. I never researched it or anything.. I know it’s suppose to be some strong stuff. I don’t think I could handle the estrogen conversion..
 
Asking for opinions and help on this one. Started my bulking cycle off with 400 test e weekly,15mg trest ace a day, and 50mg anavar pre workout. I ended up dropping the ment 4 weeks in. Blood pressure was out of control. Now on week 7 of cycle. Blood pressure is down almost to normal. I’m wondering what to add in to finish the cycle. I was gonna just run test e 500mg weekly for 24ish weeks but I’m thinking of adding another compound with it. Primo,eq,npp, etc.
I wouldnt even bother wasting Anavar like that. First off you dont need it on a bulking cycle. Secondly, if you think taking it preworkout gives you some advantage - definitely not.
Sounds like you were not ready for Trestolone. Do you understand the distance between MENT and Primo? How would you rate these drugs from 1 to 50 in terms of bulking?
Id say MENT is #1 and Primo is #50 for bulking
Bro what did you gain off these 7 weeks? Did you lose gains once you dropped MENT?
7 weeks in and youre going to run it for 24 weeks and thinking what to add to finish your cycle? If its 24 weeks then youre far away from the finish
Started bulking cycle, dropped ment, going to add primo or Eq... Bro, you said you started a bulking cycle?
Lets say you want to buy a car, you`re thinking about Dodge RAM TRX and ending up purchasing Chevrolet Malibu.. Thats your cycle
 
Lol! Now I feel stupid.. it’ must be the tren. So that’s 100 mg of ment. Isn’t that still a decent dose. I really have no clue.. I never researched it or anything.. I know it’s suppose to be some strong stuff. I don’t think I could handle the estrogen conversion..
Its plenty for a newbie and definitely not something you`d stack with Anavar
He shouldnt have used MENT
 
Lol! Now I feel stupid.. it’ must be the tren. So that’s 100 mg of ment. Isn’t that still a decent dose. I really have no clue.. I never researched it or anything.. I know it’s suppose to be some strong stuff. I don’t think I could handle the estrogen conversion..
Same I’ll just walk away form here slowly lol
 
I wouldnt even bother wasting Anavar like that. First off you dont need it on a bulking cycle. Secondly, if you think taking it preworkout gives you some advantage - definitely not.
Sounds like you were not ready for Trestolone. Do you understand the distance between MENT and Primo? How would you rate these drugs from 1 to 50 in terms of bulking?
Id say MENT is #1 and Primo is #50 for bulking
Bro what did you gain off these 7 weeks? Did you lose gains once you dropped MENT?
7 weeks in and youre going to run it for 24 weeks and thinking what to add to finish your cycle? If its 24 weeks then youre far away from the finish
Started bulking cycle, dropped ment, going to add primo or Eq... Bro, you said you started a bulking cycle?
Lets say you want to buy a car, you`re thinking about Dodge RAM TRX and ending up purchasing Chevrolet Malibu.. Thats your cycle
I planned on running test and ment from week 1-10. I dropped ment just before I hit 4 weeks. My blood pressure was too high. Now I’m on week 7 so I’ve been off ment for a little over 3 weeks. I gained weight and strength off ment. Once I dropped it I lost some strength but I kept calories the same and didn’t lose any weight. But since I couldn’t finish out running ment for the full 10 weeks I was gonna add in another compound. Something not as harsh. This is cycle #3 for me. My past coach told me to run this cycle.
 
I wouldnt even bother wasting Anavar like that. First off you dont need it on a bulking cycle. Secondly, if you think taking it preworkout gives you some advantage - definitely not.
Sounds like you were not ready for Trestolone. Do you understand the distance between MENT and Primo? How would you rate these drugs from 1 to 50 in terms of bulking?
Id say MENT is #1 and Primo is #50 for bulking
Bro what did you gain off these 7 weeks? Did you lose gains once you dropped MENT?
7 weeks in and youre going to run it for 24 weeks and thinking what to add to finish your cycle? If its 24 weeks then youre far away from the finish
Started bulking cycle, dropped ment, going to add primo or Eq... Bro, you said you started a bulking cycle?
Lets say you want to buy a car, you`re thinking about Dodge RAM TRX and ending up purchasing Chevrolet Malibu.. Thats your cycle
I don’t think anavar works any differently taking it pre workout. It’s just convenient to me and that’s what people have told me to do so I’ve never tried any different ways. I understand the differences between primo and ment. Ment was harsh. I couldn’t lash more than 4 weeks on it. I wanna add soemthing less harsh like primo eq etc to keep going with my cycle. This is cycle #3 for me. And I agree ment wasn’t a good choice especially for my 3rd cycle. It’s just what my previous coach told me to run so I tried it. Was just trying to get some opinions because I didn’t like the advice my coach gave me so came here for some thoughts.
 
I don’t think anavar works any differently taking it pre workout. It’s just convenient to me and that’s what people have told me to do so I’ve never tried any different ways. I understand the differences between primo and ment. Ment was harsh. I couldn’t lash more than 4 weeks on it. I wanna add soemthing less harsh like primo eq etc to keep going with my cycle. This is cycle #3 for me. And I agree ment wasn’t a good choice especially for my 3rd cycle. It’s just what my previous coach told me to run so I tried it. Was just trying to get some opinions because I didn’t like the advice my coach gave me so came here for some thoughts.
Interesting. Im taking both Trestolone Acetate and Trestolone Enanthate and dont have those sides. and I take much more..
Well probably I got used to it.
 
I planned on running test and ment from week 1-10. I dropped ment just before I hit 4 weeks. My blood pressure was too high. Now I’m on week 7 so I’ve been off ment for a little over 3 weeks. I gained weight and strength off ment. Once I dropped it I lost some strength but I kept calories the same and didn’t lose any weight. But since I couldn’t finish out running ment for the full 10 weeks I was gonna add in another compound. Something not as harsh. This is cycle #3 for me. My past coach told me to run this cycle.
Coach is definitely wrong to recommend MENT to someone who has only 2 cycles under the belt.
You can try Deca, Dbol for bulking. Anavar is probably OK to use on a third cycle but definitely not to be stacked with MENT
 
That coach is bonkers… likely doesn’t know what they are doing and looking to force temporary gains fast to make you happy and generate before/after marketing materials. These are your early cycles, and you are getting more from just 400mg of test than you are able to take advantage of. Anything you add is not going to cause any additional permanent muscle gain (said otherwise, the more shit you add, the more strength, water retention, glycogen retention, and negative side effects you will get… which all subside, and the actual amount of actual muscle gains are going to be the same). If you want to feel like you are on a shit ton of gear, then take more gear. If permanent muscle growth is your goal, then stay at 400mg test and start questioning what your coach’s nutrition and protocols are. In reality, if you move from 400mg to 500mg test, this is the breaking point for more advanced bodybuilders where high estrogenic side effects occur. You’ll then need an AI or a SERM, which if you don’t know what you are doing with those, will likely crash your estrogen or leave you with gyno… both will be distracting and take away energy from what is important and that is staying consistent with your food intake and lifting hard every damn session. There are two things you can control, maximum protein synthesis and time spend in a maximum protein synthesis state. At 400mg test your protein synthesis is probably 90-95% maximal IF your nutrition and training are setup perfectly for you. The more shit you find to distract yourself with, the less consistent you will be, which means the less time spend in a maximum protein synthesis state, and the less optimal outcomes you’ll get.

Anyway, my 2C. Drop the trash, leverage 400mg (which is a good amount of gear for someone at your experience) and dig into your food intake and training protocol. Someone with good nutrition and training will get more out of 400mg test than someone on 1000+ grams of gear but with bullshit nutrition and training.
 
That coach is bonkers… likely doesn’t know what they are doing and looking to force temporary gains fast to make you happy and generate before/after marketing materials. These are your early cycles, and you are getting more from just 400mg of test than you are able to take advantage of. Anything you add is not going to cause any additional permanent muscle gain (said otherwise, the more shit you add, the more strength, water retention, glycogen retention, and negative side effects you will get… which all subside, and the actual amount of actual muscle gains are going to be the same). If you want to feel like you are on a shit ton of gear, then take more gear. If permanent muscle growth is your goal, then stay at 400mg test and start questioning what your coach’s nutrition and protocols are. In reality, if you move from 400mg to 500mg test, this is the breaking point for more advanced bodybuilders where high estrogenic side effects occur. You’ll then need an AI or a SERM, which if you don’t know what you are doing with those, will likely crash your estrogen or leave you with gyno… both will be distracting and take away energy from what is important and that is staying consistent with your food intake and lifting hard every damn session. There are two things you can control, maximum protein synthesis and time spend in a maximum protein synthesis state. At 400mg test your protein synthesis is probably 90-95% maximal IF your nutrition and training are setup perfectly for you. The more shit you find to distract yourself with, the less consistent you will be, which means the less time spend in a maximum protein synthesis state, and the less optimal outcomes you’ll get.

Anyway, my 2C. Drop the trash, leverage 400mg (which is a good amount of gear for someone at your experience) and dig into your food intake and training protocol. Someone with good nutrition and training will get more out of 400mg test than someone on 1000+ grams of gear but with bullshit nutrition and training.
Ya I think I might just stay at 400mg. But my first cycle was 500mg test, 25mg Dbol. Second cycle was test e 500mg with 400mg eq. So that’s why I was asking about another compound to add in since the trest didnt work out for me. I’m currently 207lbs fasted in the morning. I do have experience using ai’s from my first cycle.
 
Ya I think I might just stay at 400mg. But my first cycle was 500mg test, 25mg Dbol. Second cycle was test e 500mg with 400mg eq. So that’s why I was asking about another compound to add in since the trest didnt work out for me. I’m currently 207lbs fasted in the morning. I do have experience using ai’s from my first cycle.

That was way too much for a first cycle, and that doesn’t mean you need to keep increasing from there. I know and have helped people make better progress (that stuck) on 200mg test their first year of seriously bodybuilding, and outshined dudes who just stared blasting gear and hoping for the best. For reference I know several Olympia BBers that compete at the highest level with 400-500g test, and the remaining anabolic load primo (600-1200mg depending). That’s what knowing how to setup nutrition and training protocols does. Anyway.. keep it simple brother. Slow and steady wins the race.
 
Coach is definitely wrong to recommend MENT to someone who has only 2 cycles under the belt.
You can try Deca, Dbol for bulking. Anavar is probably OK to use on a third cycle but definitely not to be stacked with MENT
Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t stupid two drop one 19 nor for another. Or if it was even smart to add soemthing this “late” into my cycle even though it’s only week 7. I just didn’t wanna butcher this whole cycle since the ment didn’t work out for me
 
Asking for opinions and help on this one. Started my bulking cycle off with 400 test e weekly,15mg trest ace a day, and 50mg anavar pre workout. I ended up dropping the ment 4 weeks in. Blood pressure was out of control. Now on week 7 of cycle. Blood pressure is down almost to normal. I’m wondering what to add in to finish the cycle. I was gonna just run test e 500mg weekly for 24ish weeks but I’m thinking of adding another compound with it. Primo,eq,npp, etc.
To deal with BP I add Lisinopril. That's up to you. I would rather risk the BP med risk than pound my kidneys with BP 24/7. As far as anabolic, mg to mg, NPP would be more anabolic than Primo but Primo would give a better look. But for putting on tissue some of the most experienced guys like test/NPP/EQ.
 
Just wanted to make sure it wasn’t stupid two drop one 19 nor for another. Or if it was even smart to add soemthing this “late” into my cycle even though it’s only week 7. I just didn’t wanna butcher this whole cycle since the ment didn’t work out for me
NPP i less problematic then Deca. For the non-Tren 19 nors I would say in order of descending problems I would rank them Ment: Deca: NPP.
 
To deal with BP I add Lisinopril. That's up to you. I would rather risk the BP med risk than pound my kidneys with BP 24/7. As far as anabolic, mg to mg, NPP would be more anabolic than Primo but Primo would give a better look. But for putting on tissue some of the most experienced guys like test/NPP/EQ.
I’m taking 20mg telmisartan for my blood pressure. It brought it down a good amount. It was in the 150s on ment and now it’s around 125/80.
 
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To deal with BP I add Lisinopril. That's up to you. I would rather risk the BP med risk than pound my kidneys with BP 24/7. As far as anabolic, mg to mg, NPP would be more anabolic than Primo but Primo would give a better look. But for putting on tissue some of the most experienced guys like test/NPP/EQ.
Ya I know npp would probably put on more size along with a good diet training and sleep. But I’m thinking primo just for a good look and it’s not as harsh as 19 nors.
 
Ya I know npp would probably put on more size along with a good diet training and sleep. But I’m thinking primo just for a good look and it’s not as harsh as 19 nors.
I wouldn't say nandrolones are harsh. If it wasn't for the dick sides I would use them more often. But my wife likes my bits on demand and so do I.
 
I wouldn't say nandrolones are harsh. If it wasn't for the dick sides I would use them more often. But my wife likes my bits on demand and so do I.
Ya I might give npp a try. I’ve heard great things. Ment was going good and I was feeling good until my Bp spiked. I had very bad guidance through my cycle. I ran way too high of a test dose. I am coming here from now on before doing anything stupid.
 
I wouldnt even bother wasting Anavar like that. First off you dont need it on a bulking cycle. Secondly, if you think taking it preworkout gives you some advantage - definitely not.
Sounds like you were not ready for Trestolone. Do you understand the distance between MENT and Primo? How would you rate these drugs from 1 to 50 in terms of bulking?
Id say MENT is #1 and Primo is #50 for bulking
Bro what did you gain off these 7 weeks? Did you lose gains once you dropped MENT?
7 weeks in and youre going to run it for 24 weeks and thinking what to add to finish your cycle? If its 24 weeks then youre far away from the finish
Started bulking cycle, dropped ment, going to add primo or Eq... Bro, you said you started a bulking cycle?
Lets say you want to buy a car, you`re thinking about Dodge RAM TRX and ending up purchasing Chevrolet Malibu.. Thats your cycle
Domestic supply has probably the best advice bc from what I gather he has done some pretty extreme shit. I disagree with ment being the best bulking compound. Tren ace will always be the best compound period. Stacked with a tren base, serostim, novorapid, Lantus and tren suspension pre workout it’s pretty much get jacked and shredded at the same time as long as calories are high. Higher doses more calories.
 
Domestic supply has probably the best advice bc from what I gather he has done some pretty extreme shit. I disagree with ment being the best bulking compound. Tren ace will always be the best compound period. Stacked with a tren base, serostim, novorapid, Lantus and tren suspension pre workout it’s pretty much get jacked and shredded at the same time as long as calories are high. Higher doses more calories.
Ya I just was not ready for tren but little did I know how harsh and crazy ment was going to be I would’ve never considered it this soon. I just feel like now that I’m only running test I butchered my whole cycle. It was suppose to be a short cycle but my bloodwork is good still so I was gonna extend it. Probably gonna just keep test e at 500mg and run it for 20 ish weeks.
 
Domestic supply has probably the best advice bc from what I gather he has done some pretty extreme shit. I disagree with ment being the best bulking compound. Tren ace will always be the best compound period. Stacked with a tren base, serostim, novorapid, Lantus and tren suspension pre workout it’s pretty much get jacked and shredded at the same time as long as calories are high. Higher doses more calories.
MENT is not Tren, its something else. I wouldnt recommend Tren or MENT to anyone on his 3rd cycle though.
I like Tren too, problem is with high dose Tren you cant workout, you get pumped in minutes and cant go on. If its good Tren of course.
 
MENT is not Tren, its something else. I wouldnt recommend Tren or MENT to anyone on his 3rd cycle though.
I like Tren too, problem is with high dose Tren you cant workout, you get pumped in minutes and cant go on. If its good Tren of course.
That’s individual. I’m running 2800mg of Pharmacom tren ace from drugsgear. Gym performance is unreal. I just get stronger, bigger and leaner. Obviously 18iu of serostim, Lantus, novorapid and tren water suspension help but just an absolute beast in the gym. Metoprolol, cardarine both help with gym performance. Seroquel, ambien help with sleep. Only negative are my elbows get a little beat up but that’s to be expected with 4 hours of training, 5-7 days a week and priority are arms especially triceps
 
That’s individual. I’m running 2800mg of Pharmacom tren ace from drugsgear. Gym performance is unreal. I just get stronger, bigger and leaner. Obviously 18iu of serostim, Lantus, novorapid and tren water suspension help but just an absolute beast in the gym. Metoprolol, cardarine both help with gym performance. Seroquel, ambien help with sleep. Only negative are my elbows get a little beat up but that’s to be expected with 4 hours of training, 5-7 days a week and priority are arms especially triceps
And yes trest isn’t tren. It’s a shit estrogen bloat bomb.
 
We're going to see a ton of these threads on Trest..
Mark my Words...someone will try it for their very first Cycle..

Nothing personal OP...
Trest is a compound even seasoned user's have trouble with..
Not for Beginners..!!
Z...
 
And yes trest isn’t tren. It’s a shit estrogen bloat bomb.
Not sure what your experience with the MENT is, I dont have any serious issues with MENT. Had them when I tried MENT first but now I take much more and dont have them. 300mg of Trestolone Ace or 300mg of Trestolone Enanthate weekly and no estrogeen bloat :) Dbol or Anadrol gives much more bloat.
2800mg of Tren Ace? Jesus, post up your picture bro, curious how do you look like.
I used 450-600mg of British Dragon TriTren in the past and I couldnt even workout due to extremely hard pumps and youre talking about 2800mg of Tren Ace :oops:
 

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