Building muscle and calorie deficit mutually exclusive?

[Johnnyboy004]

i will use some generic numbers for the sake of calculation.

200 lbs
15% bf
maintanance cals 2000
12 week cycle

What is a good rule of thumb to add 15-20 lbs lbm and drop bf%?

For example, if a guy takes in 400 cals under Maintanance, will bf be burned as a form of energy to replace calorie deficit and be used as nutrients to build muscle along with a high protein diet and most carbs being consumed after a workout? Or is eating at a calorie deficit considered a cut no matter what?

Iis building muscle and eating at a calorie deficit mutually exclusive? Is the only way to execute a successful recomp to eat big to build, then cut?

 

[Deja Vu]

The question is kinda hard for me to understand. But I don't see really building muscle with out enough calories. I would think during a"cut" diet the best you could hope for was to preserve the muscle you have, but losing fat. I could be way off, but to really build muscle you need + calories.

 

[GSRacer]

Just reading the thread topic I can say that for me, yes, definitely.

 

[ICace2013]

I would say that without gear then it is impossible to add LBM at a deficit. Now if your talking on gear (tren w test) then this could become an option, but extremely difficult. Given the hypothetical numbers then definite possibility with proper diet, rest, and traiining the BF will melt off but 10-15lbs of LBM still a large goal to acheive. Good luck n let us how ur experiment goes.

 

[RAINier]

You CANNOT add mass on a deficit. Not going to happen. If a recomp is what you want, look at leangains, or similar solutions. Eat +20% calories on exercise days, -30% calories for off days

 

[Johnnyboy004]

You CANNOT add mass on a deficit. Not going to happen. If a recomp is what you want, look at leangains, or similar solutions. Eat +20% calories on exercise days, -30% calories for off days

Thanks. Been running lean gains for about a month now. I love it. And it's working well.

 

[heavyiron]

Trenbolone, Anadrol and Testosterone...

 

[Dath]

You CANNOT add mass on a deficit. Not going to happen. If a recomp is what you want, look at leangains, or similar solutions. Eat +20% calories on exercise days, -30% calories for off days

I don't disagree with your statement but curious what people think in regards to this..
ran into an old friend couple weeks back who recently got out of prison, and was blown away by how much bigger he was. He was in lockdown not a firecamp or something of that nature where they feed you WAY better. He wasn't a drug addict who put on weight due to lack of nutrition because of use, and he was a guy that was in the gym 6 mths of the yr 6 mths out kind of dude. Naturally your gonna drop weight in prison and I'm sure most of us have seen this guys come out lookin fairly lean and cut due to fat loss but he had obviously gained a fair amount of muscle It wasnt just an illusion. I'm sure these are rare cases and I didn't get into details about his food or training while in there but my assumption based on guessing he wasn't getting the optimal amount of calories is he did in fact gain muscle while very restricted.

Again this is speculation and have no way of proving it at this point but thought it may bring a different idea to this thread.

 

[Johnnyboy004]

I don't disagree with your statement but curious what people think in regards to this..
ran into an old friend couple weeks back who recently got out of prison, and was blown away by how much bigger he was. He was in lockdown not a firecamp or something of that nature where they feed you WAY better. He wasn't a drug addict who put on weight due to lack of nutrition because of use, and he was a guy that was in the gym 6 mths of the yr 6 mths out kind of dude. Naturally your gonna drop weight in prison and I'm sure most of us have seen this guys come out lookin fairly lean and cut due to fat loss but he had obviously gained a fair amount of muscle It wasnt just an illusion. I'm sure these are rare cases and I didn't get into details about his food or training while in there but my assumption based on guessing he wasn't getting the optimal amount of calories is he did in fact gain muscle while very restricted.

Again this is speculation and have no way of proving it at this point but thought it may bring a different idea to this thread.

They get tons of nutrition and loads of starch in prison. Do you honestiy think liberals would let prisoners eat Basic food groups at maintanance? There are lots of fat dudes locked up. And they stay fat. You can watch tv, get 3 meals, workout...inmates workout in their cells to keep themselves from goin crazy. Then they are allowed to hit the weights. The food they eat is jam packed w calories. I know this because the guy who runs security in my plaza ( the plaza where my store is, i dont own the plaza) runs the kitchen at a state prison for his full time job.

Thanks or contributing. I wrote that like an asshole. Didn't ean to.

 

[RAINier]

They get tons of nutrition and loads of starch in prison. Do you honestiy think liberals would let prisoners eat Basic food groups at maintanance? There are lots of fat dudes locked up. And they stay fat. You can watch tv, get 3 meals, workout...inmates workout in their cells to keep themselves from goin crazy. Then they are allowed to hit the weights. The food they eat is jam packed w calories. I know this because the guy who runs security in my plaza ( the plaza where my store is, i dont own the plaza) runs the kitchen at a state prison for his full time job.

Thanks or contributing. I wrote that like an asshole. Didn't ean to.

Not to mention canned fish and whey are available at most prison commissaries!
He definitely dropped bodyfat, and prison meals actually have to be nutritious, it's mandated in some way or another that they're well fed. They're definitely better fed than kids in schools.
Being locked up with nutrition and a gym for a year (and motivation to train - it's a prison after all. Life is tough there), and that leads to the kinds of transformations you see.

 

[Dath]

They get tons of nutrition and loads of starch in prison. Do you honestiy think liberals would let prisoners eat Basic food groups at maintanance? There are lots of fat dudes locked up. And they stay fat. You can watch tv, get 3 meals, workout...inmates workout in their cells to keep themselves from goin crazy. Then they are allowed to hit the weights. The food they eat is jam packed w calories. I know this because the guy who runs security in my plaza ( the plaza where my store is, i dont own the plaza) runs the kitchen at a state prison for his full time job.

Thanks or contributing. I wrote that like an asshole. Didn't ean to.

Ya you did sounds like a dick lmao ...nah seriously makes sense bro, see learn something everyday appreciatte the feedback Especially with the direct connection to someone working there.

 

[MattFR]

Like has been said already, you can't build muscle on a deficit. The most you can do is lose fat. I learned this when I started trying to get rid of my fat stomach months ago. The program I settled on was "The Truth About Six Pack Abs," an insanely useful system for burning belly fat and getting a six pack. I've been using it for six months and couldn't be more pleased with my results. I wrote a review of "Six Pack Abs".

 

[Intense]

This comes down to genetics, some people can.

 

[Johnnyboy004]

This comes down to genetics, some people can.

Ive always been able to get stronger and build muscle on around 2500 calories of mostly lean protein, fat and about 10% carbs while dropping body fat. I've never really had to eat a lot to build. But the downside of that is I put on fat really easily. And I'm not a little guy. Decent frame at 6'1 almost 9.5 inch wrists.

Which is stange because I am much bigger than my father and my mother. My father is only an inch shorter than me, but he could never put on weight. He's 57 and hes still 9% bf. Might work out twice a week on and off for about 4 months total out of the year.

I feel really confident in my first cycle prep as far as the gear plan, but as far as diet I feel like i need to be eating a lot more than 2500 cals and more than 10% carbs. I know what works for my body, but I guess the only way I will find out what I need nutritionally while on is through trial and error.

 

[gg196]

I need to get locked up then haha Jk