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2025 MR.Olympia Controversy another bad year of Judging?

FearsomeCOR said:
He just need a real coach again imo. I don’t think they’ll find that balance of size and conditioning on their own.

We all know that wasn’t simply a carb up issue…
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There seems to be a mindset the greats have, and Sampson doesn't appear to have it. Milos came right out and said he was slacking with cardio and diet, etc. You think Ronnie, Jay, Dorian and past greats did that? Nope.

The best fit for him IMO would be Aceto because I don't think Sampson would go for the drill sergeant type like Peter Tuor which would be a great choice. Same with James Hollingshead. Poor mindset and only works with coaches he feels "comfortable" with. F that. You get a coach that pushes you to places you're afraid to go while getting along.
 
Meetketchup said:
I don't think Sampson would go for the drill sergeant type like Peter Tuor which would be a great choice.
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Absolutely agree there. Also works out cause as far as I can tell aceto couldn’t give two shits what his guys decide to do PED wise, and Samson has been a bit odd there if past claims when he was with Milos are true. Agreed on Patrick, iirc he even dropped Keone as a client simply for not listening lol. Dude doesn’t fuck around.

James is another puzzle to me. I honestly think his reserved nice guy persona is a total facade. He’s time and time again disrespected his coaches in prep… I feel like he’s a really just a total headcase.
 
Rot-Iron66 said:
Nick has a a horrible structure, shitty looking legs, etc. Tons of muscle and stuff, but terribly put together...
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nick structure isn't that bad he still looks sick in a lot of poses, and his legs look nuts in side shots better than lots of other pros
 
Ckmeter said:
not at all. Nicks finals condition was better than prejudging, but it still was super off.

I’ve never heard Nick and small waist in the same sentence before.
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wasnt his best but it was still just as good as the top 3

look at the pics it doesnt look bad at all
 
Ckmeter said:
Nick even spoke on fouad’s podcast and said he felt he deserved the placing he got. He knew he was off.
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cause his pre judge was way off and judges tend to not give you a good look after that even if you come in good for finals
 
GrindingGrey said:
I think the guy that compared Derek to Andrea also made this one. I know I sound like a grumpy old man but the guys today just aren’t visually appealing. I feel like they pack on too much size way too quick at a young age. Add a bunch of oil to that and you get guys that are absolutely massive but don’t have shape, density, or lines.
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Nah, I’m likely younger than you and I agree totally. Guys from the 90’s and 2000’s were still giant freaks but they had legitimately aspirational physiques. Most of the guys nowadays I would go out of my way to avoid looking like.
 
rawbuilt said:
on nick tied points with derek at pittsburg
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An off Derek. I’m not a fan of Derek but he brought a better-than-Pittsburg-package to the O and won, furthering the gap between them.

Both of them on and Derek still wins because of his symmetry, mid section, and aesthetics. It’s not hard to see Nick won’t win because he’s ugly, unless his nuts are blocking one’s vision
 
FearsomeCOR said:
It’s literally what’s held him back his whole career alongside his waist control, which is debatably even due to his structure.

We are discussing the cream of the crop here, not vs your average gym bro.
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He has the structure of a thumb. His inflammation was so bad this year along with the distension. I genuinely hope his health is ok.
 
FearsomeCOR said:
It’s literally what’s held him back his whole career alongside his waist control, which is debatably even due to his structure.

We are discussing the cream of the crop here, not vs your average gym bro.
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yeah but structure isn't the only category they judge in bodybuilding
 
thebiggestdumbass said:
An off Derek. I’m not a fan of Derek but he brought a better-than-Pittsburg-package to the O and won, furthering the gap between them.

Both of them on and Derek still wins because of his symmetry, mid section, and aesthetics. It’s not hard to see Nick won’t win because he’s ugly, unless his nuts are blocking one’s vision
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well thats bodybuilding its whoever shows up peaked perfectly... so if derek does show up off and nick is on he can still beat him

pose for pose nick would smash derek if both on... open isnt just judged on aesthetics
 
rawbuilt said:
yeah but structure isn't the only category they judge in bodybuilding
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Correct, but when structure is that off and the other competitors aren’t far behind in other categories of judging he’s not going to ever win. Much less coming in off like this year.
 
rawbuilt said:
pose for pose nick would smash derek if both on... open isnt just judged on aesthetics
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How can you logically say this when Derek beat Nick when he came in off at Pitt and Nick was his best ever debatably lol
 
rawbuilt said:
well thats bodybuilding its whoever shows up peaked perfectly... so if derek does show up off and nick is on he can still beat him

pose for pose nick would smash derek if both on... open isnt just judged on aesthetics
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Nick was “on” in Pittsburgh and still lost to Derek? Yeah you’re right that structure isn’t everything but when your structure and gut are as bad as they were this year and you have to stand next to people like Andrew, Hadi, Derek, or even Martin you literally have no shot regardless of muscularity.


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FearsomeCOR said:
How can you logically say this when Derek beat Nick when he came in off at Pitt and Nick was his best ever debatably lol
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cause he was robbed lol he looked better in all the pics... nick kills derek in his own pose the back double
 
Bill_Cosby24 said:
Nick was “on” in Pittsburgh and still lost to Derek? Yeah you’re right that structure isn’t everything but when your structure and gut are as bad as they were this year and you have to stand next to people like Andrew, Hadi, Derek, or even Martin you literally have no shot regardless of muscularity.


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derek won by a tie breaker not by points lol and only thing off was his conditioning cause his coach timed the peak wrong
 
There was 3 guys I liked , Martin , Andrew and goodvito, cant believe they gave nick 6th, was Bonac not better, wtf, oh and the Masters Champ out there holding down the size he looked great, what a Champ.
 
For those of you who have never been to a bodybuilding show and within the first couple rows, let me tell you that it is VASTLY different than seeing pics or video. You see everything. Every detail, movement, angle, etc that you don't see otherwise. Not one person at the show who was in that area thought Derek shouldn't have one. Two of the people are judges themselves and the others competitors.

Take that into account before saying so and so got robbed because I saw one single shot of each pose.
 
rawbuilt said:
well thats bodybuilding its whoever shows up peaked perfectly... so if derek does show up off and nick is on he can still beat him

pose for pose nick would smash derek if both on... open isnt just judged on aesthetics
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That’s just not true though because we’ve seen Derek show up off, Pittsburgh, and still be Nick who was on his A game.
 
rawbuilt said:
cause he was robbed lol he looked better in all the pics... nick kills derek in his own pose the back double
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Since you clearly just seem to personally prefer the look of Nick, we can just drop it. We’re just gonna go in circles if we’re gonna just start crying “politics” when placings don’t align with our narrative lol. I think if anything Derek winning just shows consistency in the judging 🤷‍♂️
 

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