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2025 MR.Olympia Controversy another bad year of Judging?

Max Muscle, Ivan, Nick Strength and Power are dolts. :)

I'm still shocked at how much muscle Sampson loss trying to get shredded. Fouad blabbing about him not peaking properly is nonsense. That is lack of muscle not glycogen.
 
BigBack93 said:
Who's not stupid, everyone is pretty much saying the same thing.
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I didn't say they were "stupid." I was being sarcastic using Dolts (hence the smiley face)

And no, not everyone is saying the same thing. Everyone has their guy. It's a hard case to make Derek not winning. Tylers explanation of size is apparent, and this is coming from someone who doesn't necessarily like Derek. Was it close? Yes, very.
 
Meetketchup said:
I didn't say they were "stupid." I was being sarcastic using Dolts (hence the smiley face)

And no, not everyone is saying the same thing. Everyone has their guy. It's a hard case to make Derek not winning. Tylers explanation of size is apparent, and this is coming from someone who doesn't necessarily like Derek. Was it close? Yes, very.
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Incredibly close. But I agree Derek won, bringing in the improved leg fullness was huge imo.
 
FearsomeCOR said:
Incredibly close. But I agree Derek won, bringing in the improved leg fullness was huge imo.
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Of course, I'm going by the pics/live stream but also by the feedback I got from a number of guys I know who there in person. As we know it's different seeing live vs stream/pics. They all said the same thing. Super close but Derek was simply bigger, more polished and more or less in the same condition. If people think Hadi won, good for them.
 
Derek had what looked like a quart of synthol in each lat, I’d never pick someone to win Mr O that had obvious signs of muscle filled with oil.
Samson looked good pre contest and I thought he’d win but he melted during the show
 
REHH said:
Derek had what looked like a quart of synthol in each lat, I’d never pick someone to win Mr O that had obvious signs of muscle filled with oil.
Samson looked good pre contest and I thought he’d win but he melted during the show
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Yeah even the biceps look soft,puffy and oily. Lats the same, even side tricep looked soft and puffy not cut up and defined like hadi or Andrew
 
IFBB politics are garbage

Hadi looked way better than Derek. The Iranian thing obviously factored in to hadis placement

Hell I even thought Andrew jacked looked better than Derek.

Derek looked like a blob of oil. Lats had literal balls of oil protruding out of them, biceps were smooth with no seperation. Just obnoxious amounts of Seo everywhere

SEO ruins bodybuilding. All the top guys use it, but with Derek it’s just unaesthetically overdone
 
Meetketchup said:
Max Muscle, Ivan, Nick Strength and Power are dolts. :)

I'm still shocked at how much muscle Sampson loss trying to get shredded. Fouad blabbing about him not peaking properly is nonsense. That is lack of muscle not glycogen.
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Agree with this on the muscle loss.

Samson was around 330lbs offseason and 250-260 on stage. Lost 70-80lbs, and clearly a ton of muscle. He wasn’t just flat, he was small

As heart warming as the story was of his wife being his coach and him winning an Olympia like that, he needs to hire an actual coach. His wife shouldn’t be prepping him. They butchered that prep hard
 
Sector. said:
Agree with this on the muscle loss.

Samson was around 330lbs offseason and 250-260 on stage. Lost 70-80lbs, and clearly a ton of muscle. He wasn’t just flat, he was small

As heart warming as the story was of his wife being his coach and him winning an Olympia like that, he needs to hire an actual coach. His wife shouldn’t be prepping him. They butchered that prep hard
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Yup! Put him with Peter Tuor, Hany or Aceto. Different story.

With that much on the line I really don't know what the hell he is thinking with his wife as a coach. NOT saying she doesn't know bodybuilding as she does, but there are levels.
 
Meetketchup said:
Yup! Put him with Peter Tuor, Hany or Aceto. Different story.

With that much on the line I really don't know what the hell he is thinking with his wife as a coach. NOT saying she doesn't know bodybuilding as she does, but there are levels.
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I’m genuinely curious what he did. Well probably never know, but damn I’m curious how they managed to mess up that bad

I mean obviously overdieted, but with that much anabolics and tren, the amount of muscle he lost is crazy. I doubt he crash dieted.

Mega high dose t3 combined with over dieting? Or maybe t3 and DNP combined with over dieting? He probably was stage ready 4-8 weeks out then just needed to maintain weight and recomp, but seems like he just kept pushing the scale weight lower at the cost of muscle

Idk I’ve never seen someone in their prime regress so hard in such a short period of time. 70-80 lbs of weight is crazy. It’s not like he was super fat at 330, definitely watery, but no way he needed to drop to 250-260.
 
Sector. said:
I’m genuinely curious what he did. Well probably never know, but damn I’m curious how they managed to mess up that bad

I mean obviously overdieted, but with that much anabolics and tren, the amount of muscle he lost is crazy. I doubt he crash dieted.

Mega high dose t3 combined with over dieting? Or maybe t3 and DNP combined with over dieting? He probably was stage ready 4-8 weeks out then just needed to maintain weight and recomp, but seems like he just kept pushing the scale weight lower at the cost of muscle

Idk I’ve never seen someone in their prime regress so hard in such a short period of time. 70-80 lbs of weight is crazy. It’s not like he was super fat at 330, definitely watery, but no way he needed to drop to 250-260.
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He has been consistently critiqued that he's never came in peeled, which is 100% This was true when he won the O.

So he tried the condition came and with that you sacrifice size. He dieted too hard, simple as that. He doesn't need or use high levels of anabolics which has pretty much been confirmed by everyone that is close to him. Dude never touched tren until the last couple of years.

This is why he should get with one of the coaches I posted above. This would have never happened under their guidance. It's a fine balance and Marlyana, his wife, isn't getting him to that balance.
 
hadi was clearly leaner, derek was clearly bigger. they went with the bigger fella. makes sense. coulda seen them going either way, but they favored size.

some people in a groupchat im in were crying about mike the bitchboy losing classic. but the second i saw classic i said woah ramons dwarfing everyone. literally wasnt even close. terrance and mike looked like tiny high schoolers next to him. maybe if they really just favored shape over everything. but being twice everyones size last year is why mike placed so high. now that ramon placed higher for being twice mikes size, those same mike fans are crying for some reason 💀
 
Meetketchup said:
Max Muscle, Ivan, Nick Strength and Power are dolts. :)

I'm still shocked at how much muscle Sampson loss trying to get shredded. Fouad blabbing about him not peaking properly is nonsense. That is lack of muscle not glycogen.
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He definitely lost a lot of muscle. Did Hadi legs looks small to you? Or nicks where just huge compared to the rest
 
Valdosta said:
hadi was clearly leaner, derek was clearly bigger. they went with the bigger fella. makes sense. coulda seen them going either way, but they favored size.

some people in a groupchat im in were crying about mike the bitchboy losing classic. but the second i saw classic i said woah ramons dwarfing everyone. literally wasnt even close. terrance and mike looked like tiny high schoolers next to him. maybe if they really just favored shape over everything. but being twice everyones size last year is why mike placed so high. now that ramon placed higher for being twice mikes size, those same mike fans are crying for some reason 💀
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Mike has zero adductors or glutes. His back double is posed with his hips crazy back to try to close the adductor gap, and it still is gaping. First thing I noticed when compared to Ramon and Terrence.

Terrence has no arms or calves. Ramon was the clear winner in person.
 
Sector. said:
IFBB politics are garbage

Hadi looked way better than Derek. The Iranian thing obviously factored in to hadis placement

Hell I even thought Andrew jacked looked better than Derek.

Derek looked like a blob of oil. Lats had literal balls of oil protruding out of them, biceps were smooth with no seperation. Just obnoxious amounts of Seo everywhere

SEO ruins bodybuilding. All the top guys use it, but with Derek it’s just unaesthetically overdone
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I think it’s seo combined with how he holds water from the front that makes his physique so unappealing…plus his insincere personality. Aceto nearly killed him with diuretics backstage before finals.

I had Hadi winning, as I like his overall condition and shape, but it’s hard to look past his right leg atrophy. It’s substantially downsized compared to his other side. I couldn’t stop looking at it in his front poses.
 
Sector. said:
Yeah unfortunately everyone at that level has SEO

even nick and Andrew. Some just do it better than others
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Bro Andrews triceps are shot the fuck up. Everyone is using it. It’s the combo of water retention and overuse of synthol/seo in Derek that looks so trash. Aceto ruined greggo’s biceps this year. IMG_1205.jpeg
 
@Sector. I shoot the fuck out of my arms with gear lol. They don’t look anywhere near as weird as Derek and Greggo. Makes me wonder if it’s hyalauronic acid or some weird shit.
 
Ckmeter said:
Terrence has no arms or calves. Ramon was the clear winner in person.
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Ramon is a beast and has been training his last few weeks of prep at my gym. Saw him almost everyday and he looked great. Clear winner, but I’m not a judge, so I never know what the hell their looking for in each show.
 
Ckmeter said:
@Sector. I shoot the fuck out of my arms with gear lol. They don’t look anywhere near as weird as Derek and Greggo. Makes me wonder if it’s hyalauronic acid or some weird shit.
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Everyone’s using HLA now, it’s the new tech because it’s somewhat temporary but still stretches the fascia.

I’ve considered it for the long head of My triceps honestly. Mediphorm has solid reviews
 

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