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Hoyle supports the systematic targeting of underage white girls by Pakistani Muslim rapist scum.

Hoyle is a prime example of how degeneracy and foreign “culture” has been able to invade our lives and impose their retardation upon us at will. Hoyle is the exact part of
society that leads to the far right boogey man that they so desperately need to exist in order to prove their worldview.

He is weak and tries to use your own morals against you in order to whore your nation out to his benefit.

He doesn’t belong here in this forum and he doesn’t belong here in this nation.

Someday all you asswipes that think I’m over reacting about the state of the world and accuse me of having some type of fantasy of wielding power over people will see that I’m right.

Regardless, these subversive elements of our society are a danger to you, to your family and to the future of your children.

Islam is garbage. Judaism is garbage. LGBT is garbage.

All 3 of those ideological enemies should be banned from holding and positions of authority in the USA and Europe.

The abuse of girls by grooming gangs was real, horrific, and compounded by institutional failures. Nothing I said excuses it. Refusing to assign collective guilt to two billion Muslims does not mean supporting rape. That accusation is intellectually dishonest.

What is remarkable is that you call the far right a “boogeyman” while identifying Muslims, Jews, and LGBT people as ideological enemies, demanding that they be excluded from positions of authority, declaring that I do not belong in my own country, and portraying political disagreement as a danger to children. You are not disproving the existence of authoritarian extremism. You are providing a textbook example of it.

You have also answered my original point about Christianity. White Christians are not vilified simply for being white or Christian. This particular political movement is condemned because it seeks power over everyone else while stripping disfavored groups of equal citizenship. That is precisely the domination you claim to oppose when Muslims do it.

The greatest irony is that this is the same authoritarian logic the Greatest Generation fought against. Identify religious and sexual minorities as internal enemies, deny them equal citizenship, remove them from public life, and claim it is necessary for national survival. You can wrap it in Christianity and call it patriotism, but the ideology underneath is the same one our grandparents went to war to defeat.

I could not have constructed a better demonstration of my argument if I had written your post myself.


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The abuse of girls by grooming gangs was real, horrific, and compounded by institutional failures. Nothing I said excuses it. Refusing to assign collective guilt to two billion Muslims does not mean supporting rape. That accusation is intellectually dishonest.

What is remarkable is that you call the far right a “boogeyman” while identifying Muslims, Jews, and LGBT people as ideological enemies, demanding that they be excluded from positions of authority, declaring that I do not belong in my own country, and portraying political disagreement as a danger to children. You are not disproving the existence of authoritarian extremism. You are providing a textbook example of it.

You have also answered my original point about Christianity. White Christians are not vilified simply for being white or Christian. This particular political movement is condemned because it seeks power over everyone else while stripping disfavored groups of equal citizenship. That is precisely the domination you claim to oppose when Muslims do it.

The greatest irony is that this is the same authoritarian logic the Greatest Generation fought against. Identify religious and sexual minorities as internal enemies, deny them equal citizenship, remove them from public life, and claim it is necessary for national survival. You can wrap it in Christianity and call it patriotism, but the ideology underneath is the same one our grandparents went to war to defeat.

I could not have constructed a better demonstration of my argument if I had written your post myself.


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Muslims never police their own because we infidels are merely theirs to use and abuse the same as the Jews see us gentiles. These are part and parcel of the ideology themselves, which is the point.

Blaming systemic failure for this is like blaming a woman for letting a man kick the shit out of her.

54 Islamic countries. They don’t need europe and the USA. Our white majority countries should be able to exist without the need for invasive species to force us to bend the knee to their dumb shit ideologies.

Your tactics are subversive and in order for it to work on the masses you have to force them to believe lies on top of lies about their own peoples histories. Which is exactly what you and your ilk have done which proves my point that you are a threat to National sovereignty and natural values.
 
I'm sorry, I thought you were smart enough to keep up with the conversation. I guess not. So here is a reference.

You posted "That is an appeal to popularity resting on a false premise. Immigration is not a religion “invading,” and Muslims are already local citizens across much of the world. “Every major country” does not oppose Muslims; far right movements within various countries do."
Though I will grant you that I did't spell it out for you, I made a dumb assumption you would be able to keep up and use a tad bit of common sense to fill in the blanks. You proved me wrong.

The list I provided Is a short list of countries muslims are invading and are not welcome.
Their call to prayer on loud speakers are not welcome.
Their praying in the streets is not welcome,
Their selling shit on the side of the street like a 3rd world is not welcome.
The incredible amount of fraud is not welcome. (yes I know all races do fraud so lets not go there, just another point)
ETC.
There is plenty of video evidence of this. People fed up with it. Wanting it out and gone.
Hell just the other day on video the Australian police ripped people off the street for trying to pray in the middle of the road.
You will reduce it to "the far right" but that isin't the case.

To the Michigan point, It circles back to what I posted above, I seen first hand muslims come into a neighbor hood, unwelcome, and take over. Out breed locals (3-1 is the average), eventually out vote locals and essentially take over small areas to start. Then larger and so on. IE: Hamtramck Michigan.
My neighborhood where I grew up in Michigan is a prime example. Normal everyday society. Then they came. Built a mosque right out side the neighborhood. Next thing we know theres a call to prayer 5 times a day on loud speaker 200 feet from my bed room window. Praying on sidewalks, in grocery store isles, parking lots.
So crazy to see a town so normal, all religions getting along just dandy. Then then come, and all that is down the drain.

I can tell you for certain its also a thing in the UK, from 2 co workers who "don't even bother to go home any more because its not home any more" (in reference to how much has changed for the worst since they were all let in, No go zones and such)
A native to the UK should not have to feel like his home isn't home anymore because a group of unwanted people decided to set up shop in their home town and take it over.

All the above circles back to my point from the other day, you don't understand islam, or at least you don't seem to. Maybe you do and your ignorant. But they are not here to assimilate, They are not here to blend in.
Their here to make islam the primary religion across the world. They do it quietly at first. Then once their numbers are bolstered they start ruling the vote and changing the government. again IE: Hamtramck Michigan.


Curious. Do you think islam is compatible with the west?

Now that you have filled in the blanks, your argument is actually worse.

You have not described an invasion. You have described immigrants moving into a city, building a lawful house of worship, having families, becoming citizens, voting, and winning elections. That is immigration and democracy. Apparently you consider people legitimate “locals” only while your preferred ethnic group remains politically dominant.

If a call to prayer violates a neutral noise ordinance, enforce the ordinance. I would say the same about church bells. If people obstruct a roadway, move them regardless of whether they are praying, protesting, or partying. If someone commits fraud, prosecute that individual. None of those things justifies assigning collective guilt to an entire religion.

Your Australian example actually disproves your argument. Police enforcing traffic laws against people blocking a road demonstrates that the government retains authority. It is the opposite of a religious takeover.

Hamtramck did not suddenly lose democracy when Muslim citizens won elections. Those officials took office through the same constitutional process as everyone before them. The call to prayer was approved by Hamtramck voters in 2004 by a vote of 55 to 45 percent. It is regulated alongside church bells. You may dislike the voters’ decision, but losing a democratic vote is not being invaded.

Your claim that Muslims “outbreed locals three to one” is also invented. European estimates placed Muslim fertility at roughly 2.6 children per woman compared with 1.6 among non Muslims, not three to one, and fertility among immigrant populations tends to move toward the national average across generations. More importantly, children born and raised in Michigan are not foreign invaders because you dislike their parents’ religion.

Two coworkers complaining about Britain is still two anecdotes. “No go zones and such” is not evidence. Neither are unspecified internet videos. You keep beginning with a sweeping conclusion and treating every annoyance, demographic change, and secondhand story as confirmation.

Is Islam compatible with the West? Some interpretations are and some are not, just as some forms of Christianity accept secular democracy while others seek religious control over everyone else. The standard is simple. Everyone may practice a religion, criticize a religion, or reject religion entirely, but everyone remains subject to the same secular laws.

What you call common sense is a conspiracy theory assembled from a loudspeaker, two coworkers, unspecified videos, and a fertility statistic you apparently invented. You are not demonstrating that Muslims refuse to assimilate. You are demonstrating that no amount of assimilation will satisfy you because what actually bothers you is their presence.


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. You are demonstrating that no amount of assimilation will satisfy you because what actually bothers you is their presence.


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so fuckin what?

You see massive hordes of white folks crossing over sovereign borders of non white majority populations and engaging in race hustling, rape, murder and extortion and political conspiracy? You see Christian churches being constructed in the center of Muslim metropolises and demanding laws that reinforce their political and religious values?

Where is it happening?

I see white people being systematically murdered and extorted and targeted with horrific amounts of sexual violence in South Africa, Spain, France, England, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, USA.

I don’t care that you refuse to acknowledge it because I recognize you as the problem.
 
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so fuckin what?

You see massive hordes of white folks crossing over sovereign borders of non white majority populations and engaging in race hustling, rape, murder and extortion and political conspiracy? You see Christian churches being constructed in the center of Muslim metropolises and demanding laws that reinforce their political and religious values?

Where is it happening?

I see white people being systematically murdered and extorted and targeted with horrific amounts of sexual violence in South Africa, Spain, France, England, Ireland, Sweden, Germany, USA.

I don’t care that you refuse to acknowledge it because I recognize you as the problem.

“So fuckin what?” Well, that pretty much proves my point. You’re not arguing that they haven’t assimilated enough. You’re saying it wouldn’t matter if they did, because you don’t want them here at all.

And none of this rhetoric is new. Irish Catholics were called violent criminals controlled by the pope who were using churches, schools and politics to impose their religion on America. Italians were accused of bringing murder, extortion, the Mafia and secret political conspiracies with them. In 1891, the New York Times literally described Sicilians as “descendants of bandits and assassins” who brought their “cut-throat practices” and “oath-bound societies” to America.

Seriously, replace “Muslim” with “Irish Catholic” or “Sicilian” and this could have been written 130 years ago. Find crimes committed by some people, blame millions of others for them, call their religion a conspiracy and insist they can never coexist with us. Same bullshit, different target.

And if you honestly can’t think of white Christians crossing other people’s borders, committing rape, murder and extortion, building churches and imposing their political and religious beliefs, you apparently missed the entire history of European colonialism. That obviously doesn’t make every white Christian guilty of those crimes, which is exactly the fucking point.


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“So fuckin what?” Well, that pretty much proves my point. You’re not arguing that they haven’t assimilated enough. You’re saying it wouldn’t matter if they did, because you don’t want them here at all.

you apparently missed the entire history of European colonialism. That obviously doesn’t make every white Christian guilty of those crimes, which is exactly the fucking point.



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Same old tired bullshit.

What about european colonization?
The same lies over and over…

if it was as brutal as all you know it alls say it was we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Glossing over every instance of non white aggression and non Christian based colonization.Glossing over cultures that anyone who isn’t a depraved idiot would consider barbaric and justifying the slow genocide of white peoples and their cultures because of what largely was defensive in nature and what couldn’t be considered defensive was what anyone with a brain would call progress.

We destroyed cultures that pulled babies from their mothers and murdered them for rainfall. Only to let people like you promote sexual deviancy and abortion. We set up economic systems and academia (which has been co opted by hooked nosed grabblers and rats of all backgrounds to use against the only race that ever sacrificed itself to reach across the table) that could pull vast numbers of people out of poverty and introduced medicines that saved races from extinction.

Again, you are subversive and deal in nuances only when it suits your leftist communist anti white agenda.

No need to reply. I’m not wasting my time on you or people like you.

Have fun building your utopian wakanda kyke.
 
Same old tired bullshit.

What about european colonization?
The same lies over and over…

if it was as brutal as all you know it alls say it was we wouldn’t be where we are today.

Glossing over every instance of non white aggression and non Christian based colonization.Glossing over cultures that anyone who isn’t a depraved idiot would consider barbaric and justifying the slow genocide of white peoples and their cultures because of what largely was defensive in nature and what couldn’t be considered defensive was what anyone with a brain would call progress.

We destroyed cultures that pulled babies from their mothers and murdered them for rainfall. Only to let people like you promote sexual deviancy and abortion. We set up economic systems and academia (which has been co opted by hooked nosed grabblers and rats of all backgrounds to use against the only race that ever sacrificed itself to reach across the table) that could pull vast numbers of people out of poverty and introduced medicines that saved races from extinction.

Again, you are subversive and deal in nuances only when it suits your leftist communist anti white agenda.

No need to reply. I’m not wasting my time on you or people like you.

Have fun building your utopian wakanda kyke.

Oh, the mask is completely off now. You went from “they haven’t assimilated” to denying colonial atrocities, ranting about the “slow genocide of white people,” and tossing in an openly antisemitic slur, all while claiming I’m the one with an agenda. And “colonialism couldn’t have been that brutal because we’re where we are today” is genuinely brain dead reasoning. Powerful societies benefiting from brutality does not prove the brutality never happened. It explains who benefited from it. Nobody denied that non European civilizations committed atrocities either. That still does not absolve European empires, just as their crimes do not make every white Christian personally guilty. That was the point you dodged from the beginning. You are not defending history or Western civilization. You are recycling white nationalist grievance propaganda and calling it history. But sure, announce that you’re done now. That is much easier than defending any of the garbage you just wrote.

Pussy ass coward.


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Oh, the mask is completely off now. You went from “they haven’t assimilated” to denying colonial atrocities, ranting about the “slow genocide of white people,” and tossing in an openly antisemitic slur, all while claiming I’m the one with an agenda. And “colonialism couldn’t have been that brutal because we’re where we are today” is genuinely brain dead reasoning. Powerful societies benefiting from brutality does not prove the brutality never happened. It explains who benefited from it. Nobody denied that non European civilizations committed atrocities either. That still does not absolve European empires, just as their crimes do not make every white Christian personally guilty. That was the point you dodged from the beginning. You are not defending history or Western civilization. You are recycling white nationalist grievance propaganda and calling it history. But sure, announce that you’re done now. That is much easier than defending any of the garbage you just wrote.

Pussy ass coward.


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The point your missing is the brutality and supremacy of these competing ideologies are INGRAINED IN THE IDEOLOGY THEMSELVES.

The Christian ideology is literally the opposite of that regardless of how it’s been used by people in the past.

And WERE NOT IN 1100ad so it has zero to do with what happened and everything to do with what is happening

You pathetic brainwashed leech
 
I don’t need to justify my existence or the existence of my people to anyone let alone a parasitic globalist loser like you Hoyle.

Anytime you wanna have an actual debate, face to face, let me know…

8% of the global population being blamed for global colonization… make it make sense.
 
I don’t need to justify my existence or the existence of my people to anyone let alone a parasitic globalist loser like you Hoyle.

Anytime you wanna have an actual debate, face to face, let me know…

8% of the global population being blamed for global colonization… make it make sense.

You still haven’t answered anything I said. You simply declared your own religion peaceful by definition, declared competing religions inherently brutal, called me a “parasitic globalist,” and then challenged me to meet you face to face. That is not an argument. It is exactly the supremacist worldview you keep pretending you do not hold.

Nobody blamed every white person for colonialism. European colonialism refers to specific empires, governments, institutions, and the people who operated them. You are the only person turning criticism of historical empires into collective racial guilt because you desperately need white people to be the victims.

And “we aren’t in 1100 AD” destroys your own argument. You are using medieval history to condemn entire modern populations while insisting Christianity cannot be judged by anything Christians actually did. Your religion gets judged by its stated ideals while every other religion gets judged by its worst followers. That is not reasoning. It is tribalism with a Bible verse taped over it.


Be careful what you wish for. The last guy talking about beating everyone up took some lead to the chest and then his wife had to come begging for money for the son he left behind. It was sad


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Give it up dude, he cooked your ass.
Talking in circles and repeating the same old lies you’ve been conditioned to believe is cooking?

Sweet.

I get it. Europe and the USA are economic zones and white men deserve no homeland. Nationalism is bad. Communism is good.

You’ve changed my mind.

I disavow my people and the colonization of all white lands is long overdue.

Thank you to all that have made me see the light
 
You still haven’t answered anything I said. You simply declared your own religion peaceful by definition, declared competing religions inherently brutal, called me a “parasitic globalist,” and then challenged me to meet you face to face. That is not an argument. It is exactly the supremacist worldview you keep pretending you do not hold.

Nobody blamed every white person for colonialism. European colonialism refers to specific empires, governments, institutions, and the people who operated them. You are the only person turning criticism of historical empires into collective racial guilt because you desperately need white people to be the victims.

And “we aren’t in 1100 AD” destroys your own argument. You are using medieval history to condemn entire modern populations while insisting Christianity cannot be judged by anything Christians actually did. Your religion gets judged by its stated ideals while every other religion gets judged by its worst followers. That is not reasoning. It is tribalism with a Bible verse taped over it.


Be careful what you wish for. The last guy talking about beating everyone up took some lead to the chest and then his wife had to come begging for money for the son he left behind. It was sad


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I never said Christianity was always peaceful or never in the wrong. My arguement has always been that white people are entitled to living amongst themselves if they so choose to. And that white peoples are being systematically targeted by the systems they created which is largely based on Christian philosophies.

None of what you’ve stated is based on my fantastical opinion but rather observable reality of everyday middle class white Americans.

Democracy and corruption appear to be intrinsically linked. Communism and globalism are parasitic by definition.

Everyone is tribalistic, white people are being forced into race guilt and put a couple in my chest homeboy if you think you got what it takes
 
Honest question:

Who that has read this back and forth between Hoyle and I can comprehend what I’m saying and think I’m full of shit?

Who agrees with Hoyle?

Who agrees with my take on the current situation in “western” nations?

Who here has any ideas on how to fix things?
 
I’ll stop logging onto the site permanently if the majority of folks feel like I am completely wrong about the modern world.

I’ll go back and actually rework the past and the present in an attempt to reshape my world view if the majority of my peers think I am wrong.

And I’ll stop using racial slurs as part of my freedom of speech to express my distain and dislike of those who hate me and actively work against me and my people.

Pinky swear.
 
Talking in circles and repeating the same old lies you’ve been conditioned to believe is cooking?

Sweet.

I get it. Europe and the USA are economic zones and white men deserve no homeland. Nationalism is bad. Communism is good.

You’ve changed my mind.

I disavow my people and the colonization of all white lands is long overdue.

Thank you to all that have made me see the light

You actually could call Europe and America economic zones built in large part from wealth extracted from the rest of the world. Colonialism, slavery, stolen land, and unequal trade provided a pretty enormous head start. It’s funny how you treat centuries of colonizing other people’s homelands as civilization, but immigration into “white lands” as colonization. Nobody said white people deserve no homeland. They said other people are human beings, not invaders simply because they live near you.


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How to fix everything is quite easy in theory but almost impossible in practice for people...

Strive for personal excellence in your life then bring others around to be the best person they can be because they see how you are living...

Do unto others as you do unto yourself... Treat others the way you want to be treated...

Fuck your feelings... Running on emotions about everything will cloud the knowledge that your wrong on a topic... But your ego fueled emotions won't let you be wrong...

LISTEN actively LISTEN to what someone is saying... People just want to talk to show their big brains about everything... The wise sit back and listen... The fool wants talk and be heard and not listen... Proverbs 18:2.. look it up

Be the best person you can be day in and out... Change starts within before it's seen by the world...
 
You actually could call Europe and America economic zones built in large part from wealth extracted from the rest of the world. Colonialism, slavery, stolen land, and unequal trade provided a pretty enormous head start. It’s funny how you treat centuries of colonizing other people’s homelands as civilization, but immigration into “white lands” as colonization. Nobody said white people deserve no homeland. They said other people are human beings, not invaders simply because they live near you.


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Kinda like the Islamic golden age?

So blank slate? Or punish the successful?

Nobody seems to be immigrating anywhere but western white nations. Predominantly Christian lands.
 
How to fix everything is quite easy in theory but almost impossible in practice for people...

Strive for personal excellence in your life then bring others around to be the best person they can be because they see how you are living...

Do unto others as you do unto yourself... Treat others the way you want to be treated...

Fuck your feelings... Running on emotions about everything will cloud the knowledge that your wrong on a topic... But your ego fueled emotions won't let you be wrong...

LISTEN actively LISTEN to what someone is saying... People just want to talk to show their big brains about everything... The wise sit back and listen... The fool wants talk and be heard and not listen... Proverbs 18:2.. look it up

Be the best person you can be day in and out... Change starts within before it's seen by the world...
How dare you imply I’m an idiot who is wrong and running on emotions!!!

Lol
 
You actually could call Europe and America economic zones built in large part from wealth extracted from the rest of the world. Colonialism, slavery, stolen land, and unequal trade provided a pretty enormous head start. It’s funny how you treat centuries of colonizing other people’s homelands as civilization, but immigration into “white lands” as colonization. Nobody said white people deserve no homeland. They said other people are human beings, not invaders simply because they live near you.


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All the world is an economic zone and all the pleebs shall be blended into a homogenous slop and beholden to the elite overlords.

I thought diversity was important?

And, again, it’s only white separatists and white enclaves that are endlessly persecuted in America and Europe.

I think it’s time to break up the Jewish and Filipino and Chinese and Indian and Pakistani enclaves and force them into the gated communities of upper society and political leaders homes.
 
Alright guys. I’m done.

Have fun in life and remember nothing matters but the bank account of your overlords and the destruction of tradition and establishment of a homogenous global population preferably in numbers that are 7.5 billion less than we have now.
 
You actually could call Europe and America economic zones built in large part from wealth extracted from the rest of the world. Colonialism, slavery, stolen land, and unequal trade provided a pretty enormous head start. It’s funny how you treat centuries of colonizing other people’s homelands as civilization, but immigration into “white lands” as colonization. Nobody said white people deserve no homeland. They said other people are human beings, not invaders simply because they live near you.


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plenty of cultures have been colonized and nothing was built from it, the ottoman empire colonized almost all of europe, the golden horde conquered almost all of europe and built nothing, japan did horrible shit to china and built nothing. These talking points are old, when people say slaves built america they think it was blacks when they didnt build anything, chinese built the rail, irish and italians were masons, just saying, if blacks built stuff why isnt africa an amazing land on wealth and industry? There are plenty of natural resources in the lands of africa but the locals have no idea how to extract it
 
plenty of cultures have been colonized and nothing was built from it, the ottoman empire colonized almost all of europe, the golden horde conquered almost all of europe and built nothing, japan did horrible shit to china and built nothing. These talking points are old, when people say slaves built america they think it was blacks when they didnt build anything, chinese built the rail, irish and italians were masons, just saying, if blacks built stuff why isnt africa an amazing land on wealth and industry? There are plenty of natural resources in the lands of africa but the locals have no idea how to extract it

Nobody claimed Europeans invented conquest or were the only people who colonized others. Saying the Ottomans, Mongols, and Japanese also committed imperial violence does not erase what European empires extracted. “Other people did it too” is not a historical rebuttal.

Your geography is also absurd. The Ottoman Empire controlled the Balkans and parts of central and eastern Europe, not “almost all of Europe.” The Golden Horde dominated Russia and surrounding regions and invaded parts of Poland and Hungary. It did not conquer almost all of Europe either.

When people say enslaved Africans helped build America, they are not claiming that every brick was laid by a Black person. They mean that generations of coerced labor produced tobacco, rice, sugar, and especially cotton, creating enormous wealth for landowners, merchants, banks, manufacturers, and the national economy. Enslaved people also literally quarried stone and performed nearly every stage of construction on the United States Capitol. Chinese railroad workers, Irish laborers, Italian masons, and enslaved Black laborers can all have contributed to America simultaneously. History is not a contest in which acknowledging one group erases another.

The claim that Africans “had no idea” how to extract resources is simply racist mythology. African societies mined and worked iron, copper, and gold centuries before European colonization. Great Zimbabwe was a large stone city supported by agriculture, iron smelting, gold working, and international trade. The Mali and Songhai empires became wealthy through major trade networks. Europeans went to Africa seeking gold and other commodities precisely because Africans were already producing and trading them.

Colonial governments generally built railways from mines and plantations to ports so resources could be exported, not transportation systems designed to integrate African economies for African benefit. They extracted labor and wealth, disrupted existing political institutions, imposed artificial borders, and frequently discouraged local industry that might compete with European producers. Pointing to the resulting poverty as proof that colonized people were incapable is like emptying someone’s house and then citing the empty rooms as evidence that they never owned anything.

Your reasoning is completely circular. European wealth proves European superiority, African poverty proves African inferiority, and centuries of slavery and extraction are declared irrelevant before the discussion even begins. That is not history or economics. It is racial self esteem dressed up as both.


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Nobody claimed Europeans invented conquest or were the only people who colonized others. Saying the Ottomans, Mongols, and Japanese also committed imperial violence does not erase what European empires extracted. “Other people did it too” is not a historical rebuttal.

Your geography is also absurd. The Ottoman Empire controlled the Balkans and parts of central and eastern Europe, not “almost all of Europe.” The Golden Horde dominated Russia and surrounding regions and invaded parts of Poland and Hungary. It did not conquer almost all of Europe either.

When people say enslaved Africans helped build America, they are not claiming that every brick was laid by a Black person. They mean that generations of coerced labor produced tobacco, rice, sugar, and especially cotton, creating enormous wealth for landowners, merchants, banks, manufacturers, and the national economy. Enslaved people also literally quarried stone and performed nearly every stage of construction on the United States Capitol. Chinese railroad workers, Irish laborers, Italian masons, and enslaved Black laborers can all have contributed to America simultaneously. History is not a contest in which acknowledging one group erases another.

The claim that Africans “had no idea” how to extract resources is simply racist mythology. African societies mined and worked iron, copper, and gold centuries before European colonization. Great Zimbabwe was a large stone city supported by agriculture, iron smelting, gold working, and international trade. The Mali and Songhai empires became wealthy through major trade networks. Europeans went to Africa seeking gold and other commodities precisely because Africans were already producing and trading them.

Colonial governments generally built railways from mines and plantations to ports so resources could be exported, not transportation systems designed to integrate African economies for African benefit. They extracted labor and wealth, disrupted existing political institutions, imposed artificial borders, and frequently discouraged local industry that might compete with European producers. Pointing to the resulting poverty as proof that colonized people were incapable is like emptying someone’s house and then citing the empty rooms as evidence that they never owned anything.

Your reasoning is completely circular. European wealth proves European superiority, African poverty proves African inferiority, and centuries of slavery and extraction are declared irrelevant before the discussion even begins. That is not history or economics. It is racial self esteem dressed up as both.


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this is why I usually dont argue on the internet, when I try to comment on one specific comment that said comment is only a thread of your overall thought and now your commenting on my one thread meant to address your one thread but our actual thoughts are way more complex.
BTW I had an obsession with Genghis Khan, my history teaher in college suggested some books to read. He could have conquered europe they had no defense, he went past logistical limits
 
I think most people feel this way, I think we should offer free tickets to people who would like to escape stolen lands but it must be one way
I think we should trade the white leftist for immigrants with no criminal record that risk their life to get here🤷
 
Nobody claimed Europeans invented conquest or were the only people who colonized others. Saying the Ottomans, Mongols, and Japanese also committed imperial violence does not erase what European empires extracted. “Other people did it too” is not a historical rebuttal.

Your geography is also absurd. The Ottoman Empire controlled the Balkans and parts of central and eastern Europe, not “almost all of Europe.” The Golden Horde dominated Russia and surrounding regions and invaded parts of Poland and Hungary. It did not conquer almost all of Europe either.

When people say enslaved Africans helped build America, they are not claiming that every brick was laid by a Black person. They mean that generations of coerced labor produced tobacco, rice, sugar, and especially cotton, creating enormous wealth for landowners, merchants, banks, manufacturers, and the national economy. Enslaved people also literally quarried stone and performed nearly every stage of construction on the United States Capitol. Chinese railroad workers, Irish laborers, Italian masons, and enslaved Black laborers can all have contributed to America simultaneously. History is not a contest in which acknowledging one group erases another.

The claim that Africans “had no idea” how to extract resources is simply racist mythology. African societies mined and worked iron, copper, and gold centuries before European colonization. Great Zimbabwe was a large stone city supported by agriculture, iron smelting, gold working, and international trade. The Mali and Songhai empires became wealthy through major trade networks. Europeans went to Africa seeking gold and other commodities precisely because Africans were already producing and trading them.

Colonial governments generally built railways from mines and plantations to ports so resources could be exported, not transportation systems designed to integrate African economies for African benefit. They extracted labor and wealth, disrupted existing political institutions, imposed artificial borders, and frequently discouraged local industry that might compete with European producers. Pointing to the resulting poverty as proof that colonized people were incapable is like emptying someone’s house and then citing the empty rooms as evidence that they never owned anything.

Your reasoning is completely circular. European wealth proves European superiority, African poverty proves African inferiority, and centuries of slavery and extraction are declared irrelevant before the discussion even begins. That is not history or economics. It is racial self esteem dressed up as both.


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You forgot to mention many early African nations biggest economic engine was slavery.
 

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