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[hoyle21]

"You can criticize particular Islamic teachings and confront genuine problems within Muslim societies without turning Islam into one uniform civilization or treating every Muslim as an adherent of an inherently evil doctrine."

If you read the Quran, and understand the hadiths, you will quickly learn that Islam IS indeed 1 uniform "civilization" and/or form of government.
Quran 9:29 fight those who do not believe in Allah until they pay the jizya (tax) and feel subdued.
If you ask any Muslim if they are a good Muslim, and believe every word of the quran they will tell you yes. PERIOD. None will say "yes the quran is the true word of god but only these parts" or "this/that part doesn't apply in modern times, its different now"

The ultimate goal is clear, 1 religion, 1 god, no exception.

Quran 9:29 is fair to criticize. It is an illiberal verse that has historically been used to justify jizya and the subordinate legal status of non-Muslims. But one verse does not prove that every Muslim interprets the Quran literally or wants a worldwide Islamic government. Muslims demonstrably disagree about how their scripture and Sharia should be interpreted.

The Bible contains teachings open to the same criticism. Deuteronomy commands religious warfare and the destruction of entire populations. It also prescribes death for leading someone toward another god. Exodus regulates slavery, Leviticus calls for executing men who have sex with men, Ephesians tells slaves to obey their masters and wives to submit to their husbands, and 1 Timothy denies women authority over men.

Yet Christians can believe the Bible is the word of God without believing all those passages should govern modern society. They interpret them through historical context, the distinction between the Old and New Covenants, and competing theological traditions. Muslims also contextualize and disagree about their scriptures.

So if your argument is that the Quran contains illiberal teachings deserving criticism, I agree. But if quoting one verse proves that every Muslim wants religious domination, then the same method would “prove” that every Christian supports slavery, religious warfare, executing gay people and subordinating women. Neither conclusion is reasonable. The meaningful question is how believers interpret and apply their scriptures today.


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[heckler7]

Quran 9:29 is fair to criticize. It is an illiberal verse that has historically been used to justify jizya and the subordinate legal status of non-Muslims. But one verse does not prove that every Muslim interprets the Quran literally or wants a worldwide Islamic government. Muslims demonstrably disagree about how their scripture and Sharia should be interpreted.

The Bible contains teachings open to the same criticism. Deuteronomy commands religious warfare and the destruction of entire populations. It also prescribes death for leading someone toward another god. Exodus regulates slavery, Leviticus calls for executing men who have sex with men, Ephesians tells slaves to obey their masters and wives to submit to their husbands, and 1 Timothy denies women authority over men.

Yet Christians can believe the Bible is the word of God without believing all those passages should govern modern society. They interpret them through historical context, the distinction between the Old and New Covenants, and competing theological traditions. Muslims also contextualize and disagree about their scriptures.

So if your argument is that the Quran contains illiberal teachings deserving criticism, I agree. But if quoting one verse proves that every Muslim wants religious domination, then the same method would “prove” that every Christian supports slavery, religious warfare, executing gay people and subordinating women. Neither conclusion is reasonable. The meaningful question is how believers interpret and apply their scriptures today.


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you will never understand the bible by cherry picking passages, its is the story of your salvation and an explanation of how we got there, it starts by explaining mosaic law that doesnt apply to us now, mosaic law was the start of creating order in a lawless constantly warring time. We are suppossed to follow the "law of Christ" to love god and love others.
I can tell when people read the bible as a school project and didnt open your heart to it

 

[BackShot]

Quran 9:29 is fair to criticize. It is an illiberal verse that has historically been used to justify jizya and the subordinate legal status of non-Muslims. But one verse does not prove that every Muslim interprets the Quran literally or wants a worldwide Islamic government. Muslims demonstrably disagree about how their scripture and Sharia should be interpreted.

The Bible contains teachings open to the same criticism. Deuteronomy commands religious warfare and the destruction of entire populations. It also prescribes death for leading someone toward another god. Exodus regulates slavery, Leviticus calls for executing men who have sex with men, Ephesians tells slaves to obey their masters and wives to submit to their husbands, and 1 Timothy denies women authority over men.

Yet Christians can believe the Bible is the word of God without believing all those passages should govern modern society. They interpret them through historical context, the distinction between the Old and New Covenants, and competing theological traditions. Muslims also contextualize and disagree about their scriptures.

So if your argument is that the Quran contains illiberal teachings deserving criticism, I agree. But if quoting one verse proves that every Muslim wants religious domination, then the same method would “prove” that every Christian supports slavery, religious warfare, executing gay people and subordinating women. Neither conclusion is reasonable. The meaningful question is how believers interpret and apply their scriptures today.


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No, Not even close.
You should really read the Bible one day and see that your simple googling is not going to give you the answers.

quran 9:29 is a for ever practice, It is not limited by time.
Your cherry picked google search of bible verses are specific. There is a massive difference between the two.
You really should pick up a Bible and give it a read.

 

[heckler7]

there are some people that will just be lost souls

 

[hoyle21]

No, Not even close.
You should really read the Bible one day and see that your simple googling is not going to give you the answers.

quran 9:29 is a for ever practice, It is not limited by time.
Your cherry picked google search of bible verses are specific. There is a massive difference between the two.
You really should pick up a Bible and give it a read.

I’ve read the Bible multiple times, that’s how I know it’s bullshit too. Lol. But your response proves my point: you interpret the Bible through your own theological worldview, just as Muslims interpret their religion through theirs.

You call biblical commands involving genocide, slavery, executing religious dissenters and subordinating women “specific,” meaning you place them within a historical or theological context instead of applying them literally forever. Yet you declare that Muslims are not allowed to interpret Quran 9:29 contextually and that your interpretation is the only possible one.

And this is not limited to Old Testament law. Ephesians tells slaves to obey their masters, and 1 Timothy denies women authority over men. Christians contextualize or reinterpret those passages too.

I already agreed that Quran 9:29 is illiberal and deserves criticism. What it does not prove is that every Muslim interprets it identically or wants worldwide Islamic rule. If quoting verses without context is “cherry-picking” when I do it to the Bible, then it is also cherry-picking when you do it to the Quran. Granting interpretive nuance to your religion while denying it to everyone else is apologetics, not objective analysis.


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[BackShot]

Clearly you read and don't understand.
Maybe give it another shot.

 

[hoyle21]

Clearly you read and don't understand.
Maybe give it another shot.

Yeah, the problem is definitely that I don’t understand it.

I’ve read the Bible multiple times. Most people here still treat Revelation as a literal prophecy about events in our future instead of first century apocalyptic literature written to churches living under Roman imperial power with “666” widely understood by scholars as a reference to Nero Caesar. Of all the people you could dismiss with “read the Bible,” I’m not one of them.

More importantly, you still haven’t answered my argument. You contextualize the Bible’s troubling passages, then declare your interpretation of Quran 9:29 timeless and insist Muslims cannot contextualize it. That is exactly the interpretive double standard I identified. “Read the Bible again” isn’t a rebuttal; it’s just condescension.


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[BackShot]

Yeah, the problem is definitely that I don’t understand it.

I’ve read the Bible multiple times. Most people here still treat Revelation as a literal prophecy about events in our future instead of first century apocalyptic literature written to churches living under Roman imperial power with “666” widely understood by scholars as a reference to Nero Caesar. Of all the people you could dismiss with “read the Bible,” I’m not one of them.

More importantly, you still haven’t answered my argument. You contextualize the Bible’s troubling passages, then declare your interpretation of Quran 9:29 timeless and insist Muslims cannot contextualize it. That is exactly the interpretive double standard I identified. “Read the Bible again” isn’t a rebuttal; it’s just condescension.


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YES, that is exactly the problem, you read, but don't understand.
Honestly you are so far gone that explaining anything here on a forum would do you no good. I know people JUST like you, and I don't even have to meet you in person to know.
You can google the reason your argument is flawed, if your ego will allow it, and you should find it rather quickly. But no, I am not here to debate you, or spend days going back and fourth. Especially with somebody who thinks they know everything, its honestly unbearable. It does nothing for me like it does for you.

BUT I do hope you re read the Bible.

 

[hoyle21]

YES, that is exactly the problem, you read, but don't understand.
Honestly you are so far gone that explaining anything here on a forum would do you no good. I know people JUST like you, and I don't even have to meet you in person to know.
You can google the reason your argument is flawed, if your ego will allow it, and you should find it rather quickly. But no, I am not here to debate you, or spend days going back and fourth. Especially with somebody who thinks they know everything, its honestly unbearable. It does nothing for me like it does for you.

BUT I do hope you re read the Bible.

One of the biggest problems with Google is that people rarely use it to challenge what they believe; they phrase searches to validate what they already believe and then mistake confirmation bias for research. Telling someone to “Google why you’re wrong” is not an argument it’s an admission that you either cannot or will not defend your own position.


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[BackShot]

One of the biggest problems with Google is that people rarely use it to challenge what they believe; they phrase searches to validate what they already believe and then mistake confirmation bias for research. Telling someone to “Google why you’re wrong” is not an argument it’s an admission that you either cannot or will not defend your own position.


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Yeah genius, I all ready said I 'will not', I didn't need you to clear any of that part up for me.

 

[hoyle21]

Yeah genius, I all ready said I 'will not', I didn't need you to clear any of that part up for me.

You didn’t “choose not to debate.” You came in smug, made a claim you couldn’t defend, got challenged, and replaced your argument with insults and “ROFLMAO.” Calling your intellectual collapse a choice doesn’t make it less obvious.


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[heckler7]

One of the biggest problems with Google is that people rarely use it to challenge what they believe; they phrase searches to validate what they already believe and then mistake confirmation bias for research. Telling someone to “Google why you’re wrong” is not an argument it’s an admission that you either cannot or will not defend your own position.


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true, I use it usually when I think Im already right and look for something to confirm it since most people wont believe what you say I need data to back it up. but thats a good point I should look for opposing views as well to be balanced

 

[BackShot]

You didn’t “choose not to debate.” You came in smug, made a claim you couldn’t defend, got challenged, and replaced your argument with insults and “ROFLMAO.” Calling your intellectual collapse a choice doesn’t make it less obvious.


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There is a huge difference between couldn't and wouldn't. I made my reasoning pretty clear.

 

[heckler7]

Im sure everyone say the massive flood by now, absolutely wild. those poor folks never had a chance

View: https://youtu.be/3sAJbsxhnbg?si=kV3BRJ7WJbuMG39i

 

[Milford King]

Look at all these leftist fuckin idiots defending Islam and blaming the “far right”.

bunch of self righteous fuckin morons jerking themselves off pretending they are so intelligent.

No kyke, dune coon or communist/antifa/leftist mouth breathing beta male fuck tard should be breathing without permission let alone participating in American politics.

The only type of person in the world who isn’t allowed a homeland is the white man. Our democracy is a fuckin joke that does not benefit the white man but attaches to him like a parasite and allows those that hate him to infiltrate and destroy.

If you are white and you don’t see that by now. You are merely another enemy. A useful idiot for your own extinction.

 

[Milford King]

250,000 little white girls gang raped by Pakistani Muslim sub human scum of the earth …. All while the white man allows the puppet master to flood his home lands with even more.

Disgusting.

 

[Milford King]

View: https://youtu.be/jUJN1sY0eKM?si=TF5lqYIkh1KvypvH


How many virtue signaling dumbasses go over to their shit hole countries to help only to be raped multiple times and have their fuckin money laundering NGOs cover it up.

Pornography over sexualizes white girls and encourages non white men to pursue them while villifying white men for wanting a decent wife to raise kids with.

If you don’t see or understand the subversion being perpetrating against your people. You are willfully ignorant and again, just another enemy to be dealt with.

 

[Milford King]

Hoyle. I’ll gladly whip your arrogant jew ass any time you want. I’ve never wanted to mangle someone’s face as bad as I want to yours.

You do not belong here.

 

[Milford King]

Democracy is for homosexuals. Literally. Socrates and Plato were both faggots.

The playbook for foreign aggression is always to demand proximity to white people whilst simultaneously condemning “whiteness”. This is an attempt to justify plunder, rape and eventual extermination of a people. Everytime a group of white folks tried to establish a high trust community founded in cultural/racial congruence you have non whites (typically kykes) coming out of the woodwork to file lawsuits…. Yet, Jewish, arab (Islamic) and black enclaves are left unbothered and even encouraged. This isn’t just in the USA… it happens across the globe.

There is a war against white people. Our histories have been fabricated in every facet and our futures have been stolen. The anti white racism that has been slammed in our childrens faces for decades is unrelentless.

The only humane way forward for all people is ethno nationalism with established geographic borders.

 

[Milford King]

i see Muslims the way I see Jews (including the secular atheist douche bags such as yourself)…. Incompatible with the survival of white people as a whole.

Judaism is Jewish supremacy
Islam is Arabic supremacy (the fact Persians and East Asians would not resist adopting this retarded theology to the death as it literally subjugated them to being ruled by barbaric inferior dipshits is mind blowing…. I’d guess that 90% of non Arab Muslims are Muslim by force)

Even Hinduism is Indian supremacy.

Christianity is effectively weaponized against white Christians ensuring their salvation as long as they allow the rape, plunder and murder of their people to continue.

It’s all gay bullshit.

Wake up.

 

[hoyle21]

Hoyle. I’ll gladly whip your arrogant jew ass any time you want. I’ve never wanted to mangle someone’s face as bad as I want to yours.

You do not belong here.

lol. Watch the blood pressure. It’s a silent killer


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[hoyle21]

Look at all these leftist fuckin idiots defending Islam and blaming the “far right”.

bunch of self righteous fuckin morons jerking themselves off pretending they are so intelligent.

No kyke, dune coon or communist/antifa/leftist mouth breathing beta male fuck tard should be breathing without permission let alone participating in American politics.

The only type of person in the world who isn’t allowed a homeland is the white man. Our democracy is a fuckin joke that does not benefit the white man but attaches to him like a parasite and allows those that hate him to infiltrate and destroy.

If you are white and you don’t see that by now. You are merely another enemy. A useful idiot for your own extinction.

Hitler’s Dream.


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[Milford King]

Hitler’s Dream.


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Hitler allegedly killed 6 million .

Communists (the highest ranks of Bolsheviks were proudly secular Jews) have killed well over 100 million (and counting).

Calling me hitler because I care abouT my own people and refuse to be controlled by people who hate me. That’s your best insult?

If I were to ever gain authority in my nation I would make hitler look like Santa Claus

Maybe if a black woman with a British accent tells the retards to stop raping… they’ll listen… although Muslims aren’t known to respect African women either.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/iubEGIdM8Ts?si=ANd_LWYKqssazqbh

 

[hoyle21]

Hitler allegedly killed 6 million .

Communists (the highest ranks of Bolsheviks were proudly secular Jews) have killed well over 100 million (and counting).

Calling me hitler because I care abouT my own people and refuse to be controlled by people who hate me. That’s your best insult?

If I were to ever gain authority in my nation I would make hitler look like Santa Claus

Maybe if a black woman with a British accent tells the retards to stop raping… they’ll listen… although Muslims aren’t known to respect African women either.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/iubEGIdM8Ts?si=ANd_LWYKqssazqbh

You keep describing yourself as strong while posting fantasies about hurting everyone you fear. That isn’t strength, it’s an emotionally unstable man begging strangers to mistake his lack of self-control for power. Hitler doesn’t look like Santa Claus here. You just look desperate for attention.


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[Milford King]

You keep describing yourself as strong while posting fantasies about hurting everyone you fear. That isn’t strength, it’s an emotionally unstable man begging strangers to mistake his lack of self-control for power. Hitler doesn’t look like Santa Claus here. You just look desperate for attention.


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You clearly live in a fantasy world. There are more people waking up everyday to the truth and more people who agree with my peaceful solution to the cultural/racial problems of the world than agree with the subversive techniques and fabrications you cling to. Your moral high ground is based on one lie after another.

You and your ideology are nothing more than a disease to be disinfected. A chapter in the history of men to be mocked.

I have never once openly fantasize about hurting anyone. I merely openly talk about defending my people.

 

[hoyle21]

You clearly live in a fantasy world. There are more people waking up everyday to the truth and more people who agree with my peaceful solution to the cultural/racial problems of the world than agree with the subversive techniques and fabrications you cling to. Your moral high ground is based on one lie after another.

You and your ideology are nothing more than a disease to be disinfected. A chapter in the history of men to be mocked.

I have never once openly fantasize about hurting anyone. I merely openly talk about defending my people.

Calling human beings a “disease to be disinfected” and then claiming you’ve never fantasized about hurting anyone is an astonishing level of self-delusion. You aren’t defending anyone, you’re dressing up eliminationist rhetoric as a “peaceful solution.” Your own words expose you better than I ever could.


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[Milford King]

Calling human beings a “disease to be disinfected” and then claiming you’ve never fantasized about hurting anyone is an astonishing level of self-delusion. You aren’t defending anyone, you’re dressing up eliminationist rhetoric as a “peaceful solution.” Your own words expose you better than I ever could.


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You and your global communist ideology is indeed an infectious disease. Leftism is a mind virus hell bent on destroying humanity.

More people agree with me, surely. If I am alone in this thought than why would the democrats and leftist communist constantly wail on about how “white nationalism” and “white supremacy” being the “biggest threat” to their version of “democracy”?

Surely those in your camp wouldn’t embellish and lie in order to divert attention from and continue to subvert the people of the realm?

My solution is peaceful though I forewarn that any other solution would lead to bloodshed. My solution is and has been “A people of a nation and a nation of a people” … for ALL people.

 

[hoyle21]

You and your global communist ideology is indeed an infectious disease. Leftism is a mind virus hell bent on destroying humanity.

More people agree with me, surely. If I am alone in this thought than why would the democrats and leftist communist constantly wail on about how “white nationalism” and “white supremacy” being the “biggest threat” to their version of “democracy”?

Surely those in your camp wouldn’t embellish and lie in order to divert attention from and continue to subvert the people of the realm?

My solution is peaceful though I forewarn that any other solution would lead to bloodshed. My solution is and has been “A people of a nation and a nation of a people” … for ALL people.

Who are these “more people”? Trump’s approval is only 33%, and your racial-separatist ideology is considerably more extreme than his platform. White nationalism being identified as a threat proves danger, not popularity. You’ve confused notoriety with consensus, then demonstrated the danger by calling opposing ideas a disease and warning of bloodshed unless society accepts your “solution.”


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[heckler7]

 

[Milford King]

Who are these “more people”? Trump’s approval is only 33%, and your racial-separatist ideology is considerably more extreme than his platform. White nationalism being identified as a threat proves danger, not popularity. You’ve confused notoriety with consensus, then demonstrated the danger by calling opposing ideas a disease and warning of bloodshed unless society accepts your “solution.”


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The only solution the left offers is for white people to cede their culture, their lands (conquered just like all lands are), their prosperity, their childrens future and their race itself. And in the event that this solution is to be dismissed then label them racist and use propaganda in order to create fear amongst different populations.

Otherwise, places like return to the land Arkansas and Orania would be left alone. But they’re not.

But I digress. It is of popular opinion, in your self indulgent sect, that a group of people would be led to such horrible actions by a guy who randomly woke up one day and decided, unprovoked and for no apparent reason other than his hatred for everyone to commit to the act of expunging undesirables from his ancestral homelands.