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My gear guy left my stuff in his hot car

AA Solutions said:
Not entirely accurate mate,

Optimal Temperature Range for Most Bacteria (Mesophiles)30–40 °C → 86–104 °F

Peak / fastest growth: around 35–37 °C → 95–98.6 °F
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That's closer to room temperature than the mid 100s you can reach inside a locked car.

The point was that if it's hot to the touch it's not more likely to grow bacteria. If it's over 145 most bacterial growth stops, if memory serves.
And at room temp, where most of us keep and inject our gear at, would be more likely to grow bacteria than if it's burning hot inside a car. Even if it's not at peak growth rate. Even moderate growth rate at room temp would be more of a concern than it being locked in a hot car. So there's no need to worry about bacteria because it was locked in a hot car.
If it's going to grow bacteria at all it would be growing while he's storing it in his room.
 
Valdosta said:
if there was bacteria in that vial itd be growing in ur 70 degree house as it wouldve been in his 110 degree car
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I do. I have left my own shit in my center console for a few days. In the summer. I live in Texas. Its fine.
Have you ever had crashed gear? Do you know how to bring it back? Put the vial in boiling water. Thats 212 degrees bro. Your tripping over nothing.
 
Veneficus said:
That's closer to room temperature than the mid 100s you can reach inside a locked car.

The point was that if it's hot to the touch it's not more likely to grow bacteria. If it's over 145 most bacterial growth stops, if memory serves.
And at room temp, where most of us keep and inject our gear at, would be more likely to grow bacteria than if it's burning hot inside a car. Even if it's not at peak growth rate. Even moderate growth rate at room temp would be more of a concern than it being locked in a hot car. So there's no need to worry about bacteria because it was locked in a hot car.
If it's going to grow bacteria at all it would be growing while he's storing it in his room.
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I forget that some people live on the surface of the sun :)

To me, a hot car on a boiling summer day is like 100-120 and room temp around 70
 
JG40 said:
I do. I have left my own shit in my center console for a few days. In the summer. I live in Texas. Its fine.
Have you ever had crashed gear? Do you know how to bring it back? Put the vial in boiling water. Thats 212 degrees bro. Your tripping over nothing.
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im not tripping over shit retard
 
AA Solutions said:
Not entirely accurate mate,

Optimal Temperature Range for Most Bacteria (Mesophiles)30–40 °C → 86–104 °F

Peak / fastest growth: around 35–37 °C → 95–98.6 °F
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There’s literally thousands of mold species in the world, hundreds in the state I live in. They grow in a large range of conditions,
Some grow in cold, some grow in hot, some room temperature. you have to have mold spores present (seeds) to grow the mold but there are mold spores floating in the air all the time
 
REHH said:
There’s literally thousands of mold species in the world, hundreds in the state I live in. They grow in a large range of conditions,
Some grow in cold, some grow in hot, some room temperature. you have to have mold spores present (seeds) to grow the mold but there are mold spores floating in the air all the time
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Taking a nice jog past REHHs neighborhood:

Space Suit Running GIF by Space Force
 
I’m typically a bit more concerned when my bottle of gear turns into a solid, than I am when it’s a bit thinner and flows well !!
 
Has anyone actually ever seen mold grow in their gear? Jw
 
There’s definitely some weird science going on in this thread.
Bacteria grow in a huge temperature range and the ones we might be concened with here thrive in the sub-Pasteur temperatures. They grow exponentially in the “room temperature” range on a scale that increases from 21c to 44c for example. I have a graph on multiplication be degrees somewhere, but it’s in a book and everyone knows books are “dead”.
It was specific to biological stability of potable water but the rules still apply.

There are bacterial spores that live well beyond ranges that Pateurizing at 100c would normally kill. But these aren’t really of concern here because labs that follow aseptic procedures AND filter to the 0.22 micron USP standards.

I don’t know what bacteria usually cause guys to get absesses because I can’t think of a single guy who I know who had an absess that could tell me if it was gram positive or negative, let alone the specific one that did it.
I just suspect that none of those absesses came FROM the gear, more likely their shitty injection protocol/technique.
 
There’s definitely some weird science going on in this thread.

Bacteria grow in a huge temperature range and the ones we might be concened with here thrive in the sub-Pasteur temperatures. They grow exponentially in the “room temperature” range on a scale that increases from 21c to 44c for example. I have a graph on multiplication be degrees somewhere, but it’s in a book and everyone knows books are “dead”.
It was specific to biological stability of potable water but the rules still apply.

There are bacterial spores that live well beyond ranges that Pateurizing at 100c would normally kill. But these aren’t really of concern here because labs that follow aseptic procedures AND filter to the 0.22 micron USP standards.

I don’t know what bacteria usually cause guys to get absesses because I can’t think of a single guy who I know who had an absess that could tell me if it was gram positive or negative, let alone the specific one that did it.
I just suspect that none of those absesses came FROM the gear, more likely their shitty injection protocol/technique.
 
Duzzi13 said:
What’s up guys. Pretty fucking pissed off right now went to pick up a bottle of NPP from someone who got it from their guy for me on Friday. Don’t know if it’s been left in the car since Friday or only for today, but I live in Florida so you see what the issue is. Moral of the story is I’m scared to pin it now due to the risk of bacteria growth in the bottle while it was at a high temp. Also don’t know if it’s even gonna work now. Let me know what you guys think
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Dude, how do u think international shipping works? lol u think they transport that stuff in cold packs? They’re sitting in boxes hot as hell. Your gear is fine. Also, plenty of people actually HEAT their gear to break down the oil viscosity…
 
Theotherone55 said:
Dude, how do u think international shipping works? lol u think they transport that stuff in cold packs? They’re sitting in boxes hot as hell. Your gear is fine. Also, plenty of people actually HEAT their gear to break down the oil viscosity…
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I was reading oils can go rancid when they're old, is this true?
 
codem said:
I was reading oils can go rancid when they're old, is this true?
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Unsaturated oils, yes. Saturated, not usually.
Without hydrogen in the positions they are in saturated fats (oils), they are open to take in oxygen atoms from light (ozone) closed container or atmosphere (previously exposed/open).
This is usually what we consider “rancid”.

I have a sealed, first production vial of testosterone cypionate from 2017. It is in grapeseed oil. Looks slightly thinner than honey now. I switched to MCT when I became more familiar with sturated vs. unsaturated.

Look it up Saturated, Monounsaturated and Polyunsaturated. It is relavent to food as well.
 
Syntha Claus said:
Unsaturated oils, yes. Saturated, not usually.
Without hydrogen in the positions they are in saturated fats (oils), they are open to take in oxygen atoms from light (ozone) closed container or atmosphere (previously exposed/open).
This is usually what we consider “rancid”.

I have a sealed, first production vial of testosterone cypionate from 2017. It is in grapeseed oil. Looks slightly thinner than honey now. I switched to MCT when I became more familiar with sturated vs. unsaturated.

Look it up Saturated, Monounsaturated and Polyunsaturated. It is relavent to food as well.
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That's what I was under the impression of, thanks for confirming. I've been using GSO and it's been giving me instant inflammation, whereas MCT does not. So I'm not even going to risk using any seed oil carrier in the future.
 
codem said:
That's what I was under the impression of, thanks for confirming. I've been using GSO and it's been giving me instant inflammation, whereas MCT does not. So I'm not even going to risk using any seed oil carrier in the future.
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MCT has the longest shelf life and doesn’t oxidize like some other oils and turn rancid.
 
REHH said:
MCT has the longest shelf life and doesn’t oxidize like some other oils and turn rancid.
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What about that stuff @Marathon uses? MIG 870 I think? It's made from Propylene glycol which is a preservative and drying agent
 

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