Female using Primo HIGH testosterone?!?

[musclecatmom22]

Female taking ONLY PSL primo depot and labs came with test levels at 371. Been using PSL for 5 years, and now I’m hesitant to ever order again. Females, be careful!!

 

[Vision]

That's intriguing. Could it be that we are disrupting the estrogen-to-testosterone ratio and lowering SHBG, ultimately revealing what might have transpired, creating an environment with elevated test? Men do this all the time with estrogen? It's important to note also that there has been no oral testosterone available on the market for quite some time, like years.
Furthermore, no other compound besides testosterone will ever simulate, duplicate, or replicate testosterone most especially on a blood test.

This situation is quite concerning tho. If this is indeed the case, would you be willing to send a sample to a third-party testing facility for analysis?

Last but not least, would you be an absolute rockstar if you posted the rest of your blood work, like your estrogen levels, and if you had your SHBG tested and any other markers? That would be fantastically amazing if you could do so.

 

[musclecatmom22]

Full lab results are attached. I’d be happy to send a sample for testing. Thanks!

 

[musclecatmom22]

Full lab results are attached. I’d be happy to send a sample for testing. Thanks!

 

[musclecatmom22]

Full lab results are attached. I’d be happy to send a sample for testing. Thanks!

 

[Astro95]

Yikes

 

[Meetketchup]

More pressing things in that blood work need addressing.

 

[Vision]

Dear Community, Esteemed Readers, Observers, and friends alike.

I want to address a matter of utmost importance that has arisen within our community. A member recently shared her questions and concerns in a thread that risked being overlooked. Recognizing the significance of her inquiries, I made the decision to elevate her post to ensure it receives the attention it rightfully deserves. By creating here own and moving her post.

Transparency is paramount, and I take this situation very seriously. I must also acknowledge my earlier misjudgment in assuming that she was using oral Primobolan. She has since clarified that it is, in fact, an injectable form. This distinction is crucial, as it alters the dynamics and interactions of the substances involved. It’s essential to understand that only one of these forms can be substituted; the oral version cannot be replaced with testosterone.

As a proponent of scientific inquiry, I urge us to meticulously examine all potential factors at play. There seems to be something amiss, and I strongly encourage this member to submit a sample for testing. Rest assured, she will be compensated for her participation, and I will personally oversee this process to ensure it is handled with the utmost care.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Best regards, Team Supervisor Vision

This is the best decision that I feel fit for myself and my team for transparency and clarity.

 

[musclecatmom22]

More pressing things in that blood work need addressing.

I recently came off of var which is why my lipids and liver results are above range.

 

[Astro95]

I recently came off of var which is why my lipids and liver results are above range.

Was it PSL anavar also?

 

[musclecatmom22]

Yes

Was it PSL anavar also?

 

[Glycomann]

Talk to your coach, one that guides women in these things. Such a coach would better understand what to expect from your protocol. One thing I notices is your estradiol was cut in 1/2 from your last reading. That would happen in men using primo. On another note, my test reads higher on primo and test than it does on Mast and Test with a somewhat equal dose but I don't know for sure if it interferes. 250 Test E and 300 Mast gives me 800 ng/dL test. 300 sustanon and 225 primo gave me 1200 ng/dL test. I thought it was actually test in the later because primo drops conversion of test to estradiol. You look amazing by the way if that is you in your avi.

 

[musclecatmom22]

Talk to your coach, one that guides women in these things. Such a coach would better understand what to expect from your protocol. One thing I notices is your estradiol was cut in 1/2 from your last reading. That would happen in men using primo. On another note, my test reads higher on primo and test than it does on Mast and Test with a somewhat equal dose but I don't know for sure if it interferes. 250 Test E and 300 Mast gives me 800 ng/dL test. 300 sustanon and 225 primo gave me 1200 ng/dL test. I thought it was actually test in the later because primo drops conversion of test to estradiol. You look amazing by the way if that is you in your avi.

Thanks for sharing! I noticed the same with my estrogen dropping significantly. My coach is concerned as well. I’ve used PSL for years now and this is the first time I’ve questioned authenticity. It could be that it truly is primo and my labs are skewed, but I would like to send it out for testing to be sure. Plus I know there is a shortage of primo right now, so it just has me questioning things a little more. Thankfully I’ve experienced no crazy sides from test being this high.
Thanks for the physique compliment!

 

[Vision]

Full lab results are attached. I’d be happy to send a sample for testing. Thanks!

I did not want to see your post get buried, that's why I put it front and center so that we can address your matter, there's a lot of well-rounded individuals in here that are far more qualified to answer questions, when it pertains to female athletes,
Your question is valid and it deserves recognition, and I don't want to sweep anything under the carpet. Transparency transparency transparency

 

[Vision]

Talk to your coach, one that guides women in these things. Such a coach would better understand what to expect from your protocol. One thing I notices is your estradiol was cut in 1/2 from your last reading. That would happen in men using primo. On another note, my test reads higher on primo and test than it does on Mast and Test with a somewhat equal dose but I don't know for sure if it interferes. 250 Test E and 300 Mast gives me 800 ng/dL test. 300 sustanon and 225 primo gave me 1200 ng/dL test. I thought it was actually test in the later because primo drops conversion of test to estradiol. You look amazing by the way if that is you in your avi.

This was kind of where I was going with my representatives privately, When one level lowers another one's going to go higher.
So by theory, and by science it would sound logical that her test would go higher when her estro goes lower, the same that happens to all of us men, thus the reason for that dryer cleaner look.

 

[Glycomann]

This was kind of where I was going with my representatives privately, When one level lowers another one's going to go higher.
So by theory, and by science it would sound logical that her test would go higher when her estro goes lower, the same that happens to all of us men, thus the reason for that dryer cleaner look.

I could be possible. A major difference is that I was using test along with. She is Primo solo. So whereas I had test around even though I was suppressed, she has no exo test around and should also be suppressed but I am not expert enough to know how it works with women.

 

[musclecatmom22]

Got the results back and PSL is 100% legit! So sorry if I caused anyone else to also question authenticity. Thank you to Vision for taking this matter seriously and helping me throughout this process.

(Personal information scrubbed Vision)

 

[Glycomann]

Your name is on those.

 

[Vision]

Thank you so much for getting these tested, here's what I think, I don't think the Primo raised your testosterone, what I think happened was it shifted the ratio with the estrogen, and in return would ever bound testosterone you had automatically became free bio testosterone..
This is what I think happened.

By the way this isn't simply about me being right or anybody being wrong, like I said from the beginning I supported you all the way and I stood behind you, and what you did was the right thing. If you have any concerns always always always send in a sample..
Truthfully, there's times we get burned, and we don't even know it, so as a team not just our company but even our clients we all got to work together to stay on top of the market for everybody's safety.

So I promised you compensation for getting them tested, please send in the testing results to the order site, by opening a ticket, tell them you spoke to me personally and that your order compensation for getting the results have been vision approved..

Thank you for getting these tested, by the way once again you were not wrong for jumping all over this, because I can't tell you how many times my hormones have shifted and I automatically assume something, got blood work done or tested gear and I was baffled that everything was on point... These are hormones after all, I hate the to use this word but they can act very very slutty...

 

[BigD9795]

Yes, @musclecatmom22 , thank you for posting your test results! Transparency is very important and it helps others to know PSL products are 100% legitimate.

 

[Vision]

Yes, @musclecatmom22 , thank you for posting your test results! Transparency is very important and it helps others to know PSL products are 100% legitimate.

I had little to no doubt that everything was going to be okay, that's how confident I was with these results coming back.
For that, she will be compensated for her time and troubles.
She did the right thing!!!!!

 

[big_rich]

Thats great. Best way to handle a situation like this. Testing dosent lie. Great test results.

 

[BigD9795]

I had little to no doubt that everything was going to be okay, that's how confident I was with these results coming back.
For that, she will be compensated for her time and troubles.
She did the right thing!!!!!

 

[musclecatmom22]

Your name is on those.

Oh shit lol thanks

 

[musclecatmom22]

Thank you so much for getting these tested, here's what I think, I don't think the Primo raised your testosterone, what I think happened was it shifted the ratio with the estrogen, and in return would ever bound testosterone you had automatically became free bio testosterone..
This is what I think happened.

By the way this isn't simply about me being right or anybody being wrong, like I said from the beginning I supported you all the way and I stood behind you, and what you did was the right thing. If you have any concerns always always always send in a sample..
Truthfully, there's times we get burned, and we don't even know it, so as a team not just our company but even our clients we all got to work together to stay on top of the market for everybody's safety.

So I promised you compensation for getting them tested, please send in the testing results to the order site, by opening a ticket, tell them you spoke to me personally and that your order compensation for getting the results have been vision approved..

Thank you for getting these tested, by the way once again you were not wrong for jumping all over this, because I can't tell you how many times my hormones have shifted and I automatically assume something, got blood work done or tested gear and I was baffled that everything was on point... These are hormones after all, I hate the to use this word but they can act very very slutty...

No doubt. Glad we could get this cleared up!

 

[macedog24]

Op @musclecatmom22, Thank you for trusting in the PSL family.. and thank you you for being fully transparent and sharing your results from start to finish. We appreciate your time and patience in this matter and very happy to see the results you posted.. not so much for PSL but to give you peace of mind.. nothing is more important than knowing your getting what you pay for and having the confidence to have absolutely no doubt or worry or stress about the productsyour using..
Thank you again and looking forward to hearing from you more in the future..

 

[Syntha Claus]

This thread also points out that aside from being a tried and true sponsor, which has now been proven again, that steroids that we discuss here are male hormones (for the most part) and not only disrupt men’s hormone balance, this effect is usually exponential in women.
We see the whirlwind of completely messed up guys pinning this and that. Here we have what appears to be an experienced female, getting the same thing on tiny doses (by comparison).

This thread also points out the disgusting reality that many of these products are not what they appear to be. ESPECIALLY now, which seems to be going to get worse with shortages.
It has always been the case in Mexico, primo being masteron, masteron or primo being T. propionate, anavar being dianabol.

Which is why using vendors like PSL, with a great track record, is paramount. ESPECIALLY for women.

A (not so) funny story:
My friend in Mexico has a nutrition practice. He has many, many clients, some competitors, which he dopes. Back when I was making stuff, he used mine exclusively, for patients who didn’t mind the expense.
He called me during one of my extended stays in the states.
He had concerns because one of his competitors, an IFBB Pro Elite bikini champion, was getting masculinized quickly. She was only using 5mg of anavar per day.
I was perplexed, stunned and confused at this. At some point during our conversation, it occurred to me something.
“Wait. Is she using my anavar?”
No. It turned out she was using one of the popular Mexican brands. Eureka!
I told him she was probably using dianabol.
Which would be no big deal for a guy. Potentially devastating for a woman.

I applaud the OP for her thread, the way she presented it and the transparency and candor.
I applaud Vision for being a solid rep and pursuing the truth.
Cooler heads prevailed and EVERYONE benefits from all of this.

I have never used PSL, but I would, with confidence.

All around BRAVO!!!

 

[Wardamn]

Good results, thank you for the testing!

 

[musclecatmom22]

This thread also points out that aside from being a tried and true sponsor, which has now been proven again, that steroids that we discuss here are male hormones (for the most part) and not only disrupt men’s hormone balance, this effect is usually exponential in women.
We see the whirlwind of completely messed up guys pinning this and that. Here we have what appears to be an experienced female, getting the same thing on tiny doses (by comparison).

This thread also points out the disgusting reality that many of these products are not what they appear to be. ESPECIALLY now, which seems to be going to get worse with shortages.
It has always been the case in Mexico, primo being masteron, masteron or primo being T. propionate, anavar being dianabol.

Which is why using vendors like PSL, with a great track record, is paramount. ESPECIALLY for women.

A (not so) funny story:
My friend in Mexico has a nutrition practice. He has many, many clients, some competitors, which he dopes. Back when I was making stuff, he used mine exclusively, for patients who didn’t mind the expense.
He called me during one of my extended stays in the states.
He had concerns because one of his competitors, an IFBB Pro Elite bikini champion, was getting masculinized quickly. She was only using 5mg of anavar per day.
I was perplexed, stunned and confused at this. At some point during our conversation, it occurred to me something.
“Wait. Is she using my anavar?”
No. It turned out she was using one of the popular Mexican brands. Eureka!
I told him she was probably using dianabol.
Which would be no big deal for a guy. Potentially devastating for a woman.

I applaud the OP for her thread, the way she presented it and the transparency and candor.
I applaud Vision for being a solid rep and pursuing the truth.
Cooler heads prevailed and EVERYONE benefits from all of this.

I have never used PSL, but I would, with confidence.

All around BRAVO!!!

This thread also points out that aside from being a tried and true sponsor, which has now been proven again, that steroids that we discuss here are male hormones (for the most part) and not only disrupt men’s hormone balance, this effect is usually exponential in women.
We see the whirlwind of completely messed up guys pinning this and that. Here we have what appears to be an experienced female, getting the same thing on tiny doses (by comparison).

This thread also points out the disgusting reality that many of these products are not what they appear to be. ESPECIALLY now, which seems to be going to get worse with shortages.
It has always been the case in Mexico, primo being masteron, masteron or primo being T. propionate, anavar being dianabol.

Which is why using vendors like PSL, with a great track record, is paramount. ESPECIALLY for women.

A (not so) funny story:
My friend in Mexico has a nutrition practice. He has many, many clients, some competitors, which he dopes. Back when I was making stuff, he used mine exclusively, for patients who didn’t mind the expense.
He called me during one of my extended stays in the states.
He had concerns because one of his competitors, an IFBB Pro Elite bikini champion, was getting masculinized quickly. She was only using 5mg of anavar per day.
I was perplexed, stunned and confused at this. At some point during our conversation, it occurred to me something.
“Wait. Is she using my anavar?”
No. It turned out she was using one of the popular Mexican brands. Eureka!
I told him she was probably using dianabol.
Which would be no big deal for a guy. Potentially devastating for a woman.

I applaud the OP for her thread, the way she presented it and the transparency and candor.
I applaud Vision for being a solid rep and pursuing the truth.
Cooler heads prevailed and EVERYONE benefits from all of this.

I have never used PSL, but I would, with confidence.

All around BRAVO!!!

Unfortunately it is SO common that females are using fake gear and suffer from lifelong irreversible side effects. All for a plastic trophy at the end of the day. I feel confident that I can recommend PSL to my female bodybuilding friends and they will 100% receive the product and quality they are paying for. Thanks for following along, and I hope this thread teaches people to test their gear! So many frauds out there today. Especially with the primo and mast shortage.

 

[Syntha Claus]

Unfortunately it is SO common that females are using fake gear and suffer from lifelong irreversible side effects. All for a plastic trophy at the end of the day. I feel confident that I can recommend PSL to my female bodybuilding friends and they will 100% receive the product and quality they are paying for. Thanks for following along, and I hope this thread teaches people to test their gear! So many frauds out there today. Especially with the primo and mast shortage.

Probably not as crucial for men to test gear in a normal situation. Women should always test stuff. If not feasible, then acquiring from a trusted source is critical for women.
I guess the caveat to this statement is that even though a guy using anavar that is actually dianabol, or primo that is prop, considering the insane doses guys are running today, the “fudge factor” has greater implications.

I will always be shocked by the amounts of gear even gym Joe’s use today.