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[Leanmeantinypeen]

Interesting this was actually in the news today...

How Science Suggests God May Have Created the Universe​

by Johann Hunt3 days ago

How Science Suggests God May Have Created the Universe - Housely

vchal/shutterstock The quest to understand the universe often parallels science and faith in their debate. Yet, what if science holds clues pointing

housely.com

.....did you read this?

 

[j2048b]

“I will bring my people Israel back from exile.
“They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit.
I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God.
(Amos 9:14-15)

Yeah but how many times has this happened… he has brought them out of exile more than once… to live in their own land more than once correct??


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[HFO4]

KJV ephesian 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

AMP ephesian 2:8
For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].

 

[Curlieque]

Yeah but how many times has this happened… he has brought them out of exile more than once… to live in their own land more than once correct??


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And will happen again in the millennial reign, us that are Israel of course, I believe through scripture. It's going to be an incredible time for those that have lived this life that get to see the 1,000 year reign of our Messiah Yeshua/Jesus. What's crazy is that there will be those born in that 1,000 years have no recollection of this time we are living in and will have to explain how life was, hence the reason for sacrifices again. Death will be a foreign thing to those people because, it says in scripture, those that die at 100 years of age will be young "Yeshayah (Isaiah) 65:20 TS2009
[20] “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed."

So in order for them to understand what Messiah did for us, by sacrificing himself, they will understand what that means by having to sacrifice animals in the millenial. And of course the other reason being the groom/ Messiah had to die so he can marry His bride, as by His law a husband cannot remarry a wife he divorced. Hence the reason he also had to die. A lot don't understand that aspect, or weren't taught it.

 

[Plate Rape]

If you guys want to go down a pretty scary rabbit hole. YouTube people who have died and came back. Pretty scary stuff.

 

[heavyiron]

I also disagree with dispensationalism, but I am in the camp that we believers are grafted into Israel, God's chosen people. It looks like you disagree, so we'll leave it at that. I have people that try and change my mind, then get angry with me that I won't believe what they believe... that's our own journey! Blessings brother. Hopefully whatever I say there's a word that helps, and vice versa.

I don't disagree with all dispensationalism but I do think Acts 2 dispensationalists miss a massive contradiction. Dispensationalists have varying positions. They are not all alike. I personally don't think we are grafted into Israel but rather we are grafted into the opportunity Israel had which is to approach God. Ultimately its Christ who is the root. This is why I think Paul uses the phrase "The Body of Christ" to describe believers. We are in Him, not in Israel.

It would take a lot of time to type out why I believe these things but if you are not movable there is probably no reason for me to. If these doctrines interest you then I will though.

 

[heavyiron]

If you guys want to go down a pretty scary rabbit hole. YouTube people who have died and came back. Pretty scary stuff.

I started watching this last night. Not scary at all but fascinating to me.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

.....did you read this?

I did not, I wanted to leave it to discuss later, I will read it and discuss with you guys this weekend

 

[j2048b]

And will happen again in the millennial reign, us that are Israel of course, I believe through scripture. It's going to be an incredible time for those that have lived this life that get to see the 1,000 year reign of our Messiah Yeshua/Jesus. What's crazy is that there will be those born in that 1,000 years have no recollection of this time we are living in and will have to explain how life was, hence the reason for sacrifices again. Death will be a foreign thing to those people because, it says in scripture, those that die at 100 years of age will be young "Yeshayah (Isaiah) 65:20 TS2009
[20] “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed."

So in order for them to understand what Messiah did for us, by sacrificing himself, they will understand what that means by having to sacrifice animals in the millenial. And of course the other reason being the groom/ Messiah had to die so he can marry His bride, as by His law a husband cannot remarry a wife he divorced. Hence the reason he also had to die. A lot don't understand that aspect, or weren't taught it.

Some say the 1000 year reign already occurred and this is that time of deception and the beast was unchanged for that last time…

because during the 1000 year reign there is no denying whom Jesus is… but since they were born into a world without sin so to speak… the beast will be given one last chance to deceive those who are left after that time & will reign forever…

Weird that a god would do this…but who am i.. just a pawn in the middle if their war


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[j2048b]

I did not, I wanted to leave it to discuss later, I will read it and discuss with you guys this weekend

I thought it was super awesome


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[GYMnTONIC]

I thought it was super awesome


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Oddly there are biblical posts all over.

You can tell that we are in end times bc for as much bad as their is, suddenly I am seeing Jesus and God spoken about all over.

There will be a revival. You and I and ASF are going to have a major role in this.

I know you or someone here will think I am crazy but lets go back to this post in 6 months or a year and lets see what happens and see if I am right or wrong.

I don't speak on authority unless I have it given to me. So this will be an interesting topic.

Love you guys ty for keeping this thread alive.

Wait til you guys see what is coming in the future on this thread. It's almost too good to be true. ASF and GOD go hand in hand. I remember back when this site started there was alot of talk about satan worship and evil and it has transformed totally. God is good <3

 

[heavyiron]

Yeah but how many times has this happened… he has brought them out of exile more than once… to live in their own land more than once correct??


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I think that's a valid question. Focus on the word "own" land. Under Roman occupation it was not their own land. Also, I'm pretty sure the verses just preceding this were quoted in Acts in the context of a future fulfillment. I'm fine with an interpretation that this is referring to the Millennial reign. However, what if Israel becoming a nation was a partial fulfillment in 1948 and we are on the cusp of the Tribulation period which will lead into the Millennial reign period?

Anyway, read Amos chapters 8 and 9 so you can see this in context. In the next day or two I'll find the Acts quote.

 

[heavyiron]

I think that's a valid question. Focus on the word "own" land. Under Roman occupation it was not their own land. Also, I'm pretty sure the verses just preceding this were quoted in Acts in the context of a future fulfillment. I'm fine with an interpretation that this is referring to the Millennial reign. However, what if Israel becoming a nation was a partial fulfillment in 1948 and we are on the cusp of the Tribulation period which will lead into the Millennial reign period?

Anyway, read Amos chapters 8 and 9 so you can see this in context. In the next day or two I'll find the Acts quote.

This was the passage in Acts I was thinking about. I just randomly Googled "Amos and Acts" and this was the first article that popped up. Decent concise commentary. There is a way more detailed commentary I was originally thinking about but its only available if you pay for it.

(Acts 15:16-17) Why does James cite Amos 9? | Evidence Unseen

www.evidenceunseen.com

 

[Anadrolburrito]

This one’s been a heavy one for me lately

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 6:14-15 - New International Version

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[heavyiron]

Shroud of Turin does in fact date back to time of Jesus, researchers claim​

Shroud of Turin does in fact date back to time of Jesus, researchers claim

Italian researchers have recently uncovered evidence suggesting that the Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth believed by many to be the burial shroud of Jesus…

humanevents.com

 

[Curlieque]

Shroud of Turin does in fact date back to time of Jesus, researchers claim​

Shroud of Turin does in fact date back to time of Jesus, researchers claim

Italian researchers have recently uncovered evidence suggesting that the Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth believed by many to be the burial shroud of Jesus…

humanevents.com

Just saw a podcast on Tucker Carlson where Rob Schneider talked about wanting to do a movie on the shroud of Turin. It's an interesting topic for sure.

 

[heavyiron]

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I am hesistant to believe anything the Catholic Church claims is authentic from Jesus Christ. They do all they can to hide the truth.

Did I ever show you guys the ancient artifacts I discovered in the actual tomb of Jesus, outside of Golgotha when I was in Israel 2 months ago? I have some stuff that I brought to Antiquities that I dug out of the site below the crucifixion site. You won't even believe what I have. I have video evidence and photos of me finding it all. I wore a go pro and I brought a forensics kit and all. I brought back Blood from the site that is running down Golgotha from the crucifixion site, which very well may be that of Jesus Christ. I have it being tested as we speak and have already had some genetic sequencing done on it.

I can't recall if I mentioned it on ASF or not because I have been so busy. I have the spear from the crucifixion and all. If anyone doubts me I am happy to show footage and photos.

I was the only white person and American that day in Jersusalem. I was wearing camo shorts, and a black muscle shirt and a swiss army backpack. I think they mistook me for a soldier. They all looked terrified when I emerged from Golgotha with a spear and some artifacts.

I have about 50-100 photos and tons of video footage, I still have to upload it. I brought some of it to antiquities and they were very scared of my findings. The tomb they think is Jesus tomb, which is a tourist site is not his real tomb. Where I am standing is it, above me where you see that square, that is perfectly square if you stand below it and would be absolutely impossible for anyone to have made that. I am inside part of golgotha which is connected to the garden tomb. I illegally had to shimmee on the side of the cliff that it is, to get to it and then squeeze inside a small opening in the cave which was horrifying since I am clausterphobic. Anyways these are legit artificats from the actual tomb of Jesus. You guys are one of the first to see these. They will be in a museum one day. The cup is believed to be possibly from the last supper. Look at the color blue, it is beautiful. Antiquities said these are at least hundreds of years old but they said they are so well preserved they have no idea how to gauge the true number.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

The really bizarre thing is that the way I found it was to find the highest point in Jerusalem. Then I found out it was near golgotha and I then copied some information that I saw Ron Wyatt did in the 80s. I found the spot he entered and then I figured out a probability where he claimed to have found Jesus blood. I then went up the mountain on the side instead of internally like he tried to do. I was successful and I found it.
It was weird because he mentioned if you go the wrong way there are thousands of flies. And that was true I did stumble upon so many flies it was bizarre. He said if you are going the right way you will see plants growing out of the stone. Which I did find. I found crown of thorns growing. And the thorns were like 2" big and beyond sharp.
It was mind blowing for me to find these things inside the tomb. I mean, what are the chances. And to find the blood. There was so much of it, it is so sad. I already have faith and believe in Jesus Christ, but to find it and actually be standing there inside his tomb, was life changing.

Oh yeah the weird thing about the blood I collected. And don't ask me how. It is still alive. It is still damp and not fully clotted. If you mix it and resume it, using plain bac water, you can then see cellular motion. The blood I found is "alive" It is IMPOSSIBLE. I don't know how to explain it. Don't shoot the messenger. I brought professional equipment in case I found anything. And I did. I went over there just to visit the tomb but once I saw the Garden tomb I knew it was fake and just a tourist location. The real tomb is right between Golgotha and the garden tomb in somewhat of a secret location that I won't reveal.

I am going back again to see if I can find more. I already know where a few things are. I found part of the "Cross" itself and hid it. I may have some marble scrolls and that those may or may not have words on them from when Jesus was alive/crucified.

It's an unbelievable topic but I promise you God's honest truth I did discover all of this in the actual tomb. I could not make this up.

 

[NDflowback]

The really bizarre thing is that the way I found it was to find the highest point in Jerusalem. Then I found out it was near golgotha and I then copied some information that I saw Ron Wyatt did in the 80s. I found the spot he entered and then I figured out a probability where he claimed to have found Jesus blood. I then went up the mountain on the side instead of internally like he tried to do. I was successful and I found it.
It was weird because he mentioned if you go the wrong way there are thousands of flies. And that was true I did stumble upon so many flies it was bizarre. He said if you are going the right way you will see plants growing out of the stone. Which I did find. I found crown of thorns growing. And the thorns were like 2" big and beyond sharp.
It was mind blowing for me to find these things inside the tomb. I mean, what are the chances. And to find the blood. There was so much of it, it is so sad. I already have faith and believe in Jesus Christ, but to find it and actually be standing there inside his tomb, was life changing.

Oh yeah the weird thing about the blood I collected. And don't ask me how. It is still alive. It is still damp and not fully clotted. If you mix it and resume it, using plain bac water, you can then see cellular motion. The blood I found is "alive" It is IMPOSSIBLE. I don't know how to explain it. Don't shoot the messenger. I brought professional equipment in case I found anything. And I did. I went over there just to visit the tomb but once I saw the Garden tomb I knew it was fake and just a tourist location. The real tomb is right between Golgotha and the garden tomb in somewhat of a secret location that I won't reveal.

I am going back again to see if I can find more. I already know where a few things are. I found part of the "Cross" itself and hid it. I may have some marble scrolls and that those may or may not have words on them from when Jesus was alive/crucified.

It's an unbelievable topic but I promise you God's honest truth I did discover all of this in the actual tomb. I could not make this up.
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Wow!!!

 

[davidsheart]

Ok so I have a Bible. (got it in Prison actually) and it's King James Version

Wondering if we can get a thread going in here. You don't have to be religious, I wouldn't say I am, but I do believe in God, and I do think this is a super valuable book. The last books I read were 48 laws of Power and Art of Seduction both by Robert Greene and they were amazing

So I'm gonna start reading 10-15minutes a day again, bc to be quite honest, this lockdown is making me lose my mind. And I need to get some structure back in my life.

So anyways,we have some solid experts on this forum. From lockpicking, to meds, to computer hacking to mechanics, etc, etc.

You get what I am saying

Is there anyone here who is an expert in say theology, or hermeneutics or even Philosophy?

I'd like to bounce some questions off you guys, re: Interpretation. I have read the Bible in the past and I don't understand much of it.

If anyone else is in on this venture, feel free to join me. It is one of the greatest books I have read, but it has been a decade since I read it.

So I am in need of assistance!

Thanks!

So I used to be here 3 1/2 years ago but I went to prison and just got out Monday. If be glad to talk with you about this book and all it has for you. I remember you and you have a lot of great knowledge. Wish I could remember my old login but I don't. It's ok I'm just gonna Start over. So feel free to ask your questions I look forward to hearing from you brother.

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[davidsheart]

Self made monster I believe. I thought he had mentioned he studied all 3 major monotheistic ideologies. Also I read it here and there but am no Christian Bible expert. Religion has fascinated me for a long time. My mom had a rough childhood and her troubles spilled over into her adulthood. She bounced back and forth between different Christian sects and Jehovah witness’ ... she was always looking for reason in her life I guess. But I would say that I am a Christian, not a very good one, but God makes sense to me....it gives me hope. And there are a lot of good people in the Christian circle. A lot of bad people too but the message of Christ is an incredible story.

I try to put myself back in that timeframe, it’s crazy really.

life is just too intricate and the human body is just too dynamic for this to just happen through evolution. From nothingness to a giant gas explosion to bacterium to humans, I don’t buy it.

Human beings were a well thought out creation.

Well said my friend

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[davidsheart]

Ok let me ask my first question

Revelations speaks about the Tribulation and the Rapture. It also speaks about many "horsemen"

I see it mention the Eagle, which I get is the USA. The Bear, which I get is Russia.

But what does it all mean. I can't make sense of it. Which comes first? When does it occur?

In short the anti christ will come first then Jesus will return take his children and defeat the anti Christ.

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[davidsheart]

Wes, get out of Revelations. Start with John and move to Romans (written by Paul).

The tribulation and end times are best understood after a solid foundation in the trinity. It takes serious time to understand. Backstory is critical.

Preach brother

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[heavyiron]

Archaeologists Uncover Evidence of the Babylonian Destruction of Jerusalem

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[Curlieque]

The really bizarre thing is that the way I found it was to find the highest point in Jerusalem. Then I found out it was near golgotha and I then copied some information that I saw Ron Wyatt did in the 80s. I found the spot he entered and then I figured out a probability where he claimed to have found Jesus blood. I then went up the mountain on the side instead of internally like he tried to do. I was successful and I found it.
It was weird because he mentioned if you go the wrong way there are thousands of flies. And that was true I did stumble upon so many flies it was bizarre. He said if you are going the right way you will see plants growing out of the stone. Which I did find. I found crown of thorns growing. And the thorns were like 2" big and beyond sharp.
It was mind blowing for me to find these things inside the tomb. I mean, what are the chances. And to find the blood. There was so much of it, it is so sad. I already have faith and believe in Jesus Christ, but to find it and actually be standing there inside his tomb, was life changing.

Oh yeah the weird thing about the blood I collected. And don't ask me how. It is still alive. It is still damp and not fully clotted. If you mix it and resume it, using plain bac water, you can then see cellular motion. The blood I found is "alive" It is IMPOSSIBLE. I don't know how to explain it. Don't shoot the messenger. I brought professional equipment in case I found anything. And I did. I went over there just to visit the tomb but once I saw the Garden tomb I knew it was fake and just a tourist location. The real tomb is right between Golgotha and the garden tomb in somewhat of a secret location that I won't reveal.

I am going back again to see if I can find more. I already know where a few things are. I found part of the "Cross" itself and hid it. I may have some marble scrolls and that those may or may not have words on them from when Jesus was alive/crucified.

It's an unbelievable topic but I promise you God's honest truth I did discover all of this in the actual tomb. I could not make this up.
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That Ron Wyatt story ( well all his stories and findings) are pretty wild and, if true, just remarkable. Crazy interesting!
Kind of jealous you got to visit over there, my wife and I would LOVE to visit, but it's a bit too dangerous these days

 

[heavyiron]

I watch this guy at 1.5 times speed because he talks slow. Basic stuff but thought provoking.

 

[Milford King]

Ooohhhh man…

Nothing like the Old Testament to fire up the ol thinkin cap…
The story of Jacob (Israel) and Esau in the Old Testament is epic…

Are answers to todays questions hidden in plain sight in the stories of the Old Testament?

 

[Curlieque]

Ooohhhh man…

Nothing like the Old Testament to fire up the ol thinkin cap…
The story of Jacob (Israel) and Esau in the Old Testament is epic…

Are answers to todays questions hidden in plain sight in the stories of the Old Testament?

Since the Old Testament/ The Tanakh is The Word, it is the base of our foundation as believers. Everything Jesus, the disciples, Paul talk about references back to Torah, the prophets, and the writings. The new testament isn't new, it's just retelling the old testament to be understood better for those that aren't familiar to Hebrew customs and beliefs. Back then, they would be talking about a certain subject, and since they were familiar with The Word, they understood where someone was taking that from, whether from Torah or a prophet etc, they didn't need to be told (this is from Daniel 7:25) because they already knew that, they were much smarter than we give them credit, esp Paul!
Us being 2,000 years removed from that culture need to be retaught those things, and if there isn;t an understaning of Hebrew living and culture then it sometimes does not make sense. The Hebrews lived an honor and shame society, they were an angricultural society, the Hebrew wedding model was understood and those customs all over the bible. The Torah is one big wedding covenant basically, and that covenant will be renewed (not recreated) once again.
So when it talks about no one knows the day or the hour- most people these days have a concept of what they think it means in our American sense, when back in Hebrew times, everyone knew what day, or feast day, they were talking about. So we know the (feast) day Israel will be regathered, and what (feast) day He will return, we just don;t know that specfic day (Oct 9th) it is, since it is all based on the new moon sighting- how Gods/ the Hebrews calendar works.
Getting into the fall feast days here in a little over a month and I am getting a little excited!

 

[heavyiron]

Since the Old Testament/ The Tanakh is The Word, it is the base of our foundation as believers. Everything Jesus, the disciples, Paul talk about references back to Torah, the prophets, and the writings. The new testament isn't new, it's just retelling the old testament to be understood better for those that aren't familiar to Hebrew customs and beliefs. Back then, they would be talking about a certain subject, and since they were familiar with The Word, they understood where someone was taking that from, whether from Torah or a prophet etc, they didn't need to be told (this is from Daniel 7:25) because they already knew that, they were much smarter than we give them credit, esp Paul!
Us being 2,000 years removed from that culture need to be retaught those things, and if there isn;t an understaning of Hebrew living and culture then it sometimes does not make sense. The Hebrews lived an honor and shame society, they were an angricultural society, the Hebrew wedding model was understood and those customs all over the bible. The Torah is one big wedding covenant basically, and that covenant will be renewed (not recreated) once again.
So when it talks about no one knows the day or the hour- most people these days have a concept of what they think it means in our American sense, when back in Hebrew times, everyone knew what day, or feast day, they were talking about. So we know the (feast) day Israel will be regathered, and what (feast) day He will return, we just don;t know that specfic day (Oct 9th) it is, since it is all based on the new moon sighting- how Gods/ the Hebrews calendar works.
Getting into the fall feast days here in a little over a month and I am getting a little excited!

You think it will be the feast of trumpets?

So, are you pretrib/premillennial?