Bible Thread

[OlePhart]

Revelation 7:9

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no one was able to number it, out of every nation, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, having been clothed with white robes, and palm branches in their hands.

 

[heavyiron]

only 144,000 souls will be raptured, and that is from all that ever existed, so do you think you even have a chance? keep in mind there are 8 billion people on earth right now, and 117 billion existed on earth

One of the reasons JW's believe this is they make a major assumption. The believe they are spiritual Israel. This premise is incorrect IMHO. Israel and the Jews are a separate entity from the nations (Gentiles). If you read about the 144K it becomes clear they are Jewish (from the tribes of Israel) virgin men in the 7-year tribulation (Daniels 70th week).

It's odd that they spiritualize these passages in Rev chapter 7 and14 because for the most part JW's try to take the Bible literally. In this case they do not.

Once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, we depart with the Lord. God then turns His attention back to the Jews (Israel) in what God calls the time of Jacobs trouble (The tribulation). The 144K also play a role in the 1,000-year reign which comes after the 7-year tribulation.

When you have a moment read Rev chapter 7 and 14 carefully and look at how the 144K are described.

 

[GiantSlayer3]

only 144,000 souls will be raptured, and that is from all that ever existed, so do you think you even have a chance? keep in mind there are 8 billion people on earth right now, and 117 billion existed on earth

I'm part of the tribe of Dan my entire family is . It's a matter of repenting, communion and baptism. Along with trying to be a good person and spread the word of Jesus.

If you're a dickbag and sin like it's going out of style then repent it doesn't Mean much. Your sins will still be counted against you.

There are sins that don't count and sins that do. Don't ask me what those are but if you try to be a good person you should be alright , but some the sins is also having many material items ,divorce , lust , lieing , murder , drinking ,lieing, being gay , spilling your seed w.o meaning to reproduce, adultery

Just saying u gotta really be on your game to be good .

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[E.J.D]

I'm part of the tribe of Dan my entire family is . It's a matter of repenting, communion and baptism. Along with trying to be a good person and spread the word of Jesus.

If you're a dickbag and sin like it's going out of style then repent it doesn't Mean much. Your sins will still be counted against you.

There are sins that don't count and sins that do. Don't ask me what those are but if you try to be a good person you should be alright , but some the sins is also having many material items ,divorce , lust , lieing , murder , drinking ,lieing, being gay , spilling your seed w.o meaning to reproduce, adultery

Just saying u gotta really be on your game to be good .

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From my understanding of things this above opinion is way off base. Sin is sin regardless. There's no sins that don't count vs ones that do. Being a good person does nothing for your salvation. So I fully disagree with your above opinions.

 

[OlePhart]

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them


Jesus fulfilled the law because we cannot. Does that give us a license to sin. God forbid. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to earn salvation. Will not happen. I used to beat myself up relentlessly when I was caught up in vain religion. That's a miserable existence. Never again.

 

[heckler7]

I'm part of the tribe of Dan my entire family is . It's a matter of repenting, communion and baptism. Along with trying to be a good person and spread the word of Jesus.

If you're a dickbag and sin like it's going out of style then repent it doesn't Mean much. Your sins will still be counted against you.

There are sins that don't count and sins that do. Don't ask me what those are but if you try to be a good person you should be alright , but some the sins is also having many material items ,divorce , lust , lieing , murder , drinking ,lieing, being gay , spilling your seed w.o meaning to reproduce, adultery

Just saying u gotta really be on your game to be good .

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I done plenty good in my life, I used to volunteer in a homeless shelter for kids, now I volunteer helping get homeless vets off the streets, and I still know people more caring and sacrifice much more than time, they give their life to it, I accept that Im not in the 144k even tho it wasnt ever written for me to begin with, but it wont stop me from helping others, can you put yourself in a category above that?

 

[heckler7]

JW only has a grey area when it comes to revelations from dreams

 

[heavyiron]

The man of sorrows, acquainted with grief.

 

[heavyiron]

AR15 had some questions about this vid.

 

[Nobodyishere]

only 144,000 souls will be raptured, and that is from all that ever existed, so do you think you even have a chance? keep in mind there are 8 billion people on earth right now, and 117 billion existed on earth

Yea “they” love getting us to believe crazy numbers and things

 

[Nobodyishere]

Good morning

“Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.”
‭‭James‬ ‭4‬:‭13‬-‭17‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Run tell that HOME BOY

 

[Multislacking]

Matthew 4

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’

8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

 

[heavyiron]

Matthew 4

Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’

8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.

That last part has always stuck with me. He needed them to minister to Him.

 

[Multislacking]

That last part has always stuck with me. He needed them to minister to Him.

Same. I don't know if it was a "need" as much as it was just a "they were there for Him" situation. Also, I was hoping you might be able to chime in on the translation of "minister". Was it strictly spiritual or perhaps they gave physical aid (food, water, medical, etc)?

 

[heavyiron]

Same. I don't know if it was a "need" as much as it was just a "they were there for Him" situation. Also, I was hoping you might be able to chime in on the translation of "minister". Was it strictly spiritual or perhaps they gave physical aid (food, water, medical, etc)?

I have never researched it, but it looks like a good translation.

G1247 - diakoneō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (NKJV)

G1247 - διακονέω diakonéō, dee-ak-on-eh'-o; from ; to be an attendant, i.e. wait upon (menially or as a host, friend, or (figuratively) teacher); technically, to act as a Christian deacon:—(ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon.

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Multislacking]

I have never researched it, but it looks like a good translation.

G1247 - diakoneō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (NKJV)

G1247 - διακονέω diakonéō, dee-ak-on-eh'-o; from ; to be an attendant, i.e. wait upon (menially or as a host, friend, or (figuratively) teacher); technically, to act as a Christian deacon:—(ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon.

www.blueletterbible.org

Perfect. Looks like "all of the above". Thanks, man!

 

[so1970]

That last part has always stuck with me. He needed them to minister to Him.

I think the fact that they needed to minister to him proves the fact that although he is fully God he was also fully human. As human he could be tempted as we can but he overcame temptation and did not sin

 

[heavyiron]

I think the fact that they needed to minister to him proves the fact that although he is fully God he was also fully human. As human he could be tempted as we can but he overcame temptation and did not sin

I personally believe He had to have faith also. I don't think He used His abilities much at all. He was the emptied God according to Philippians. He relied on the Father by faith. I think some Christians view Him as a superhuman using a cheat code when in fact He was the ultimate example of relying on the Father.

 

[Milford King]

I personally believe He had to have faith also. I don't think He used His abilities much at all. He was the emptied God according to Philippians. He relied on the Father by faith. I think some Christians view Him as a superhuman using a cheat code when in fact He was the ultimate example of relying on the Father.

I used to tell myself when I was a little kid that if I could live without sin and fully in faith like Jesus did that I would be given super powers to do good with.

Hey I just watched your video, finally, the star of Bethlehem…. Wow! What a great video.

One thing I discovered was the Jewish spring calendar of Nissan … I was thinking there was some connection to the Japanese car company so I googled …. And apparently Nissan in Japanese means sun rising or rising sun. That’s pretty crazy two totally different languages could have a word with the same basic meaning. I mean obviously the alphabets are vastly different from eachother as well as English but the pronunciation of the syllables (ni) and (san) having that shared definition is pretty cool. At least in my brain it is.

 

[SiliconeSack]

I am not a religious person much at all. I believe, I have prayed. Most of my family is religious but my dad never fully was. He didn’t trust organized religion. He and my mom decided to let us kids decided for ourselves as we got older. So I fell in line with his view , my time in nature with what he created made me close to him.

My girlfriend now, in which things are serious really wants me to start going to church and reading the Bible. I just have no idea where to stand on it at this point in my life. A lot of big shit has happened in the last 5 years which I’m not dealing with well. She insists that being more spiritual will help.

Curious on how people here feel.


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[Thechemicals]

I am not a religious person much at all. I believe, I have prayed. Most of my family is religious but my dad never fully was. He didn’t trust organized religion. He and my mom decided to let us kids decided for ourselves as we got older. So I fell in line with his view , my time in nature with what he created made me close to him.

My girlfriend now, in which things are serious really wants me to start going to church and reading the Bible. I just have no idea where to stand on it at this point in my life. A lot of big shit has happened in the last 5 years which I’m not dealing with well. She insists that being more spiritual will help.

Curious on how people here feel.


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Just fake it. You don't have to believe to go to church and listen to some guy talking about the same things in self help books.
I am certain God does not exist.I married a religious woman and when she mentioned going to church ,i agreed and we went together every sunday. Her parent, a.missonary and pastor and we got along fine. Never had these problems about what am I going to do or how am I going to act.
As long as you aren't a shitbag, you can go to church and hang out with faery tale folk without any issues. Really not hard

 

[Multislacking]

I am not a religious person much at all. I believe, I have prayed. Most of my family is religious but my dad never fully was. He didn’t trust organized religion. He and my mom decided to let us kids decided for ourselves as we got older. So I fell in line with his view , my time in nature with what he created made me close to him.

My girlfriend now, in which things are serious really wants me to start going to church and reading the Bible. I just have no idea where to stand on it at this point in my life. A lot of big shit has happened in the last 5 years which I’m not dealing with well. She insists that being more spiritual will help.

Curious on how people here feel.


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Go and see. I've been all over the map on my spiritual journey. And there was a point in time it took my woman almost dragging me to church to go. And there became times I would go without her. Very seldom are we all on the same path, at the same point, at the same time. But like anything, if you go with an open mind, you're more likely to find "success". If you go with a closed mind, probably not much will happen to change your opinion (unless it is something majorly significant).

 

[Nobodyishere]

Saying “ur going to church” is like saying “ur going to dogs” or “ur going to mammals”

Church is the body of believers

What ppl call “church” should be called “house of worship” or “building for fellowship”

Don’t go to church, be the Church

 

[Milford King]

It takes the same amount of faith to believe in a creator God as it does to believe in happy accidents and evolution.

You’ll find a lot of down to earth good folk in the smaller houses of worship. Listening to a good pastor relate biblical text to everyday life can help you think your way out of trouble and be grateful for life’s pleasantries.

I can’t think of a reason for you to not oblige the request of your loved one, especially if things are, as you say “getting serious”.

It’s good to bring something different to a relationship but in order to build a stable house the foundations need solid ground. I would say the ethos in which you both want to live by need be on the same wavelength.

 

[heavyiron]

I am not a religious person much at all. I believe, I have prayed. Most of my family is religious but my dad never fully was. He didn’t trust organized religion. He and my mom decided to let us kids decided for ourselves as we got older. So I fell in line with his view , my time in nature with what he created made me close to him.

My girlfriend now, in which things are serious really wants me to start going to church and reading the Bible. I just have no idea where to stand on it at this point in my life. A lot of big shit has happened in the last 5 years which I’m not dealing with well. She insists that being more spiritual will help.

Curious on how people here feel.


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Seeking the One who created you is the most important decision of your life.

 

[hoyle21]

Just fake it. You don't have to believe to go to church and listen to some guy talking about the same things in self help books.
I am certain God does not exist.I married a religious woman and when she mentioned going to church ,i agreed and we went together every sunday. Her parent, a.missonary and pastor and we got along fine. Never had these problems about what am I going to do or how am I going to act.
As long as you aren't a shitbag, you can go to church and hang out with faery tale folk without any issues. Really not hard

I agree. I’ve had people ask if they can pray for me. I always give them permission. I don’t need to be an asshole about it even if I don’t believe. They believe they are doing me a favor, and I obviously dont think it’s going to hurt me in anyway. It really doesn’t matter, so let them have it.


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[Milford King]

For all my fellow history buffs. Pretty cool to see how life was lived 2000 years ago, regardless of your belief system.

It actually gave me an idea which I will make a new thread regarding….possibly… I dunno I need to do some research first and I’m feeling pretty lazy right now.

 

[Ogre]

I am not a religious person much at all. I believe, I have prayed. Most of my family is religious but my dad never fully was. He didn’t trust organized religion. He and my mom decided to let us kids decided for ourselves as we got older. So I fell in line with his view , my time in nature with what he created made me close to him.

My girlfriend now, in which things are serious really wants me to start going to church and reading the Bible. I just have no idea where to stand on it at this point in my life. A lot of big shit has happened in the last 5 years which I’m not dealing with well. She insists that being more spiritual will help.

Curious on how people here feel.


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Not trying to push you any way. This might or might not affect you at all. But, an experiment that I know has worked for others:

Imagine you are sitting in a chair talking with Jesus. What would you say if he were right in front of you? Try this maybe once a day for a week and see where things go.

 

[Multislacking]

Romans 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

John 10:2-4
But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.

 

[SiliconeSack]

Thank you, for advice I do think something needs tried even if for just a start reading a bible for a little bit a day. Dip my toes in.


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