Hplc report Hammer&Bell Primo tabs not good

[rlciampa]

This is the same "concerned member" who attacked the last sponsor I worked for. He obviously has personal beef with me.
He only appears to "do testing" then dissapears after starting a dumpster fire.

My suggestion would be to contact Jano and ask him why he tested the same batch and came out with 2 diff results.

My next suggestion would be to crawl back in your hole bc nobody believes your bs. You can easily degrade a tab by microwaving it for a few seconds, then send the degraded tab for "testing".

Which is probably what he did last time, diluted the oil, microwaved the tabs.

Nice try.

Fletcher the order

Fletcher the order was placed prior to you becoming a rep. I don’t have a personal beef with you. But you always have excuses for bad gear that you rep for. If
I’m going to pay for over priced gear for Christ's sake I want it to be properly dosed.
RC
And I sent Jano the entire bag unopened.

 

[Fletcher]

Fletcher the order was placed prior to you becoming a rep. I don’t have a personal beef with you. But you always have excuses for bad gear that you rep for. If
I’m going to pay for over priced gear for Christ's sake I want it to be properly dosed.
RC
And I sent Jano the entire bag unopened.

Who does that? You complain about the price, but send the whole bag and pay for testing... and paid EXTRA for that pic, and for it to be hosted on his site. Send the whole bag knowing he only needs ONE TAB.
Also ALREADY seeing the JANO REPORT that H&B ALREADY posted on that same product less than 30 days earlier.

You obviously "knew" it was going to come back bad... If it was for your use, and you were just "checking it" before you used it, you wouldnt send the whole bag. What if the test came back overdosed pr on point? Wouldnt you then want to run the primo?

So to be clear, you woke up one morning, and decided to spend $300+ to send an entire bag of primo to Jano...
... and out of ALLLL the sponsors here, you chose H&B. You chose Auctus. There are other sponsors selling Auctus here... why did you choose H&B?
(Because I was running the Auctus from them).

Yes, I wasnt repping for them but you saw me posting SPECIFICALLY I was running those Primo tabs.

Your shit is obvious af. You are not a real member. You are a schill. Idk who you work for or who you really are, but your scam is obvious.

I own a microwave too. You wanna play tricks on an old dog, make sure its a new trick!

 

[Fletcher]

This is RLCIAMPA "NOT having a personal issue with me"...

"Seems like everyone you work for is a scam artist
including yourself since you swear by them. Guys the outrageous prices
make you think it must be great gear when really it is below grade and
obviously not pharma grade at all.
How come it's okay for the guy that you are repping for to use jano? But
others, you bad mouth, you swear by this brand called Auctus. Seems like
you intentionally mislead members to spend hundreds of dollars on
something that isn't really what it is all cracked up to be. You've been
nothing but problematic since you came here."

You cant even keep your lies straight on the same thread!

 

[GYMnTONIC]

@Hammer&Bell it's not my business except I like @Fletcher alot.
Your rep is taking alot of heat.

He may be right in his suspicions but nevertheless where are you guys?

@rlciampa sir would you take a reship of a pack? And allow them additional testing before you make your mind up?

What I will say is this as a MOD and an ADMIN. I have seen so much shit over the years. From members and sponsors.
Faking tests. people taking bites out of orals and sending them in to get a tiny bit lower dosaging

Crazy shit you would think only women do.

Sponsors giving fake labs or loaded labs.
Listen partial scamming does happen. I have seen it. Sponsors will send the good stuff to people they know are members, etc and then send fake or underdosed to people they think won't report it.

(IN NO WAY AM I ACCUSING HAMMER OF THIS, NOR FLETCHER)

I'm simply saying. I have seen it all in 27+ years

This Industry is a fucking snakes nest. BUT, ASF is a diamond in the rough.
We seem to have isolated a very good amount of members and sources.

You rarely will ever see a source scam, and you will rarely every see a reverse scam attempted.
You know why? BC our members, mods and admins are vets. And we don't play that shit

Also we have each others backs.

This is a 20% differential.

Not the end of the world, but let's get this resolved.

OP, whats the deal here sir. You are going around just testing labs? Who has the chain of custody? Who has these items before you send them? Are you buying them right from sources and shipping to Jano, or are you or someone else Possessing them and then sending them out?
These are important facts

Listen I went to undergrad with that fuck Dr Henry Lee. Mind you he recently got into trouble for setting someone up (much like I have seen on the bodybuilding forums) but I learned a great deal of chain of custody
And before I believe ANY persons testing, I wanna know chain of custody

This is the only thing that flies on ASF. We aren't some BS forum with novices. We are prob the premier forum in the Industry. Who has more experts? ProM has alot of experts, I will say that, but they also have alot of scammers over the years. They are not nearly as well defined as our forum
We are tight knit

I expect only the best from this forum and Arnold has hired us who only expect the best. You can't bribe us or pay us off

So I do wanna hear from the OP and Hammer and Bell.
Before I am a sponsor and a rep I am a Mod and an Admin and I take my job seriously. And I expect to hear from everyone here.

 

[Fletcher]

@Hammer&Bell it's not my business except I like @Fletcher alot.
Your rep is taking alot of heat.

He may be right in his suspicions but nevertheless where are you guys?

@rlciampa sir would you take a reship of a pack? And allow them additional testing before you make your mind up?

What I will say is this as a MOD and an ADMIN. I have seen so much shit over the years. From members and sponsors.
Faking tests. people taking bites out of orals and sending them in to get a tiny bit lower dosaging

Crazy shit you would think only women do.

Sponsors giving fake labs or loaded labs.
Listen partial scamming does happen. I have seen it. Sponsors will send the good stuff to people they know are members, etc and then send fake or underdosed to people they think won't report it.

(IN NO WAY AM I ACCUSING HAMMER OF THIS, NOR FLETCHER)

I'm simply saying. I have seen it all in 27+ years

This Industry is a fucking snakes nest. BUT, ASF is a diamond in the rough.
We seem to have isolated a very good amount of members and sources.

You rarely will ever see a source scam, and you will rarely every see a reverse scam attempted.
You know why? BC our members, mods and admins are vets. And we don't play that shit

Also we have each others backs.

This is a 20% differential.

Not the end of the world, but let's get this resolved.

OP, whats the deal here sir. You are going around just testing labs? Who has the chain of custody? Who has these items before you send them? Are you buying them right from sources and shipping to Jano, or are you or someone else Possessing them and then sending them out?
These are important facts

Listen I went to undergrad with that fuck Dr Henry Lee. Mind you he recently got into trouble for setting someone up (much like I have seen on the bodybuilding forums) but I learned a great deal of chain of custody
And before I believe ANY persons testing, I wanna know chain of custody

This is the only thing that flies on ASF. We aren't some BS forum with novices. We are prob the premier forum in the Industry. Who has more experts? ProM has alot of experts, I will say that, but they also have alot of scammers over the years. They are not nearly as well defined as our forum
We are tight knit

I expect only the best from this forum and Arnold has hired us who only expect the best. You can't bribe us or pay us off

So I do wanna hear from the OP and Hammer and Bell.
Before I am a sponsor and a rep I am a Mod and an Admin and I take my job seriously. And I expect to hear from everyone here.

1. Wes, did you not see him do this exact same thing last year? Specifically to me?
He had tests on 4 brands, 3 brands came back under, but he only went off on XT & FT.
2. H&B had that same batch tested, it came back slightly over-dosed, and they posted in their HPLC reports thread AND on this thread.
3. Even if this guy is innocent, (hes not, see point #1) its hot af everywhere, between the trip to him in the heat, and the trip to Europe in the heat, its completely rational for there to be degredation of the compound during that time of exposure to extreme heat. Delivery trucks are not air conditioned and neither are cargo planes. Metal boxes in the sun get hot. Anything over 86deg, even for days on end is going to cause degredation.
4. He didnt ask for a replacement. He didnt ask for a replacement last year for the other brands either. He had 4 brands tested and 3 were a percentage under according to Jano.

He sent THE ENTIRE pack for testing. Obviously he didnt buy it to use. He didnt spend the money to get the product, he spent the money to get this result.

Hammer & Bell can do whatever they see fit, its not my business to run. I'd be saying these same things whether I was their rep or not.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

1. Wes, did you not see him do this exact same thing last year? Specifically to me?
He had tests on 4 brands, 3 brands came back under, but he only went off on XT & FT.
2. H&B had that same batch tested, it came back slightly over-dosed, and they posted in their HPLC reports thread AND on this thread.
3. Even if this guy is innocent, (hes not, see point #1) its hot af everywhere, between the trip to him in the heat, and the trip to Europe in the heat, its completely rational for there to be degredation of the compound during that time of exposure to extreme heat. Delivery trucks are not air conditioned and neither are cargo planes. Metal boxes in the sun get hot. Anything over 86deg, even for days on end is going to cause degredation.
4. He didnt ask for a replacement. He didnt ask for a replacement last year for the other brands either. He had 4 brands tested and 3 were a percentage under according to Jano.

He sent THE ENTIRE pack for testing. Obviously he didnt buy it to use. He didnt spend the money to get the product, he spent the money to get this result.

Hammer & Bell can do whatever they see fit, its not my business to run. I'd be saying these same things whether I was their rep or not.

I think the responses will document what you are saying is true.

I've got a method sir...bear with me.

You know I love ya.

Being a mod and admin is a process.

Everyone jumps through hoops ..if someone doesn't or can't. Well sucks to be them

 

[Fletcher]

I think the responses will document what you are saying is true.

I've got a method sir...bear with me.

You know I love ya.

Being a mod and admin is a process.

Everyone jumps through hoops ..if someone doesn't or can't. Well sucks to be them

I appreciate you Wes. Do your thing brother.

 

[Hammer&Bell]

I think the responses will document what you are saying is true.

I've got a method sir...bear with me.

You know I love ya.

Being a mod and admin is a process.

Everyone jumps through hoops ..if someone doesn't or can't. Well sucks to be them

We started from step one. We have pmed this customer to request his order number. All information must be gathered to properly examine this. Waiting for his reply.

Fletcher is very passionate, we knew that going in.

Thank you for your concern and your desire to help resolve any perceived issues sir.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

I appreciate you Wes. Do your thing brother.

Yes sir

We started from step one. We have pmed this customer to request his order number. All information must be gathered to properly examine this. Waiting for his reply.

Fletcher is very passionate, we knew that going in.

Thank you for your concern and your desire to help resolve any perceived issues sir.

The admins and mods are waiting for the replies.

Thank you

 

[MBW212]

yep, proof right there. Well underdosed. Fletcher has no meat on his finger tips. this is really fucked up...

No meat on his fingertips , thought I was only one with little internet beef with him , I had to block him

 

[CoffeeS]

No meat on his fingertips , thought I was only one with little internet beef with him , I had to block him

no, that was a joke - the fingertips are only place he doesn't mass! I like Fletcher, he's a Patriot, a Warrior and a Brother.

 

[MBW212]

no, that was a joke - the fingertips are only place he doesn't mass! I like Fletcher, he's a Patriot, a Warrior and a Brother.

I don’t dislike him I don’t know him we just had little stupid disagreements, 2 hot heads arguing over stupid shit, I got respect for everyone here

 

[Boykinben82]

no, that was a joke - the fingertips are only place he doesn't mass! I like Fletcher, he's a Patriot, a Warrior and a Brother.

Well said brother!

 

[Big_Ed]

I have no horse in this race. I do know @Fletcher he's a good dude who doesn't stand for bullshit. You yourself stated he wasn't even a rep when you made your purchase, so why attack him in your post when the thing you tested came back underdosed? A simple post asking H&B for input on how to proceed would have sufficed. @GYMnTONIC posted some clear steps on how this could have been handled. I'm all for labs testing their products, and customers testing the stuff they use, but instead you make your entire post an attack @Fletcher? Makes the whole thing very suspect.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

Its my belief any lab can come in under, over, etc at any time, any batch. Not an exact science, including the testing.
Look at GMP Supplement companies, many have Zero active ingredients in them. (Turk, Ecdy, etc)...

 

[Nood]

I'm using Hammer & Bell Auctus T-bol 50mg pre-workout, no complaints. Strength and pumps are exploding. I can tell a huge difference after adding it to the last 6 weeks of my cycle.

I think this is a malicious personal attack on Fletcher and nothing more.

Glad to hear this. One week into my H&B t-bol, splitting 25 morning 25 at night. Pumps seek to be improving

 

[cdubw44]

Hold up here - in hammer and Bell introduction I specifically asked if they reimburse for testing or anything like that and they said no they're just a reseller. I asked this question just because I knew this was going to happen. So no you don't get refunded for your testing if they want to send you out another pack of whatever you tested fine.

 

[rlciampa]

@Hammer&Bell it's not my business except I like @Fletcher alot.
Your rep is taking alot of heat.

He may be right in his suspicions but nevertheless where are you guys?

@rlciampa sir would you take a reship of a pack? And allow them additional testing before you make your mind up?

What I will say is this as a MOD and an ADMIN. I have seen so much shit over the years. From members and sponsors.
Faking tests. people taking bites out of orals and sending them in to get a tiny bit lower dosaging

Crazy shit you would think only women do.

Sponsors giving fake labs or loaded labs.
Listen partial scamming does happen. I have seen it. Sponsors will send the good stuff to people they know are members, etc and then send fake or underdosed to people they think won't report it.

(IN NO WAY AM I ACCUSING HAMMER OF THIS, NOR FLETCHER)

I'm simply saying. I have seen it all in 27+ years

This Industry is a fucking snakes nest. BUT, ASF is a diamond in the rough.
We seem to have isolated a very good amount of members and sources.

You rarely will ever see a source scam, and you will rarely every see a reverse scam attempted.
You know why? BC our members, mods and admins are vets. And we don't play that shit

Also we have each others backs.

This is a 20% differential.

Not the end of the world, but let's get this resolved.

OP, whats the deal here sir. You are going around just testing labs? Who has the chain of custody? Who has these items before you send them? Are you buying them right from sources and shipping to Jano, or are you or someone else Possessing them and then sending them out?
These are important facts

Listen I went to undergrad with that fuck Dr Henry Lee. Mind you he recently got into trouble for setting someone up (much like I have seen on the bodybuilding forums) but I learned a great deal of chain of custody
And before I believe ANY persons testing, I wanna know chain of custody

This is the only thing that flies on ASF. We aren't some BS forum with novices. We are prob the premier forum in the Industry. Who has more experts? ProM has alot of experts, I will say that, but they also have alot of scammers over the years. They are not nearly as well defined as our forum
We are tight knit

I expect only the best from this forum and Arnold has hired us who only expect the best. You can't bribe us or pay us off

So I do wanna hear from the OP and Hammer and Bell.
Before I am a sponsor and a rep I am a Mod and an Admin and I take my job seriously. And I expect to hear from everyone here.

First of let me apologize because I should have given a complete run down
of my order prior to the test results. I want to say that hammer and bell
has handled this correctly. I would also like to say that they're
processing of an order is top-notch. I received several emails regarding
my order which I thought was pretty cool as far as asking for a refund. I
am not interested in that nor am I interested in a reship (i have my
reasons. I tested this gear For future purchases from hammer and bell. I
have used several sponsors on this board and I will continue to use as
well as trying out new sponsors that come on to the board. If for any
reason a moderator believes that these samples were tampered with please
feel free to remove my test results. But I want to let everyone know that
this is a stepping stone for future bad results coming from a sponsor.
I did make a mistake of directing the test results to Fletcher, but once
again, my order was placed well before fletcher was a representative for
hammer and bell. The reason I sent the entire bag in was I did not want
anyone to question that the samples I sent were from another source or
something that looks like the samples I sent in. I asked for pictures this
time because of all the questions that were asked from the last time that
I had done testing for this board. I also would like to say that I had
Juice Daddy's gear tested. Unfortunately, I did not post the reports
because I received the report 3 days after he was booted off of this
board. But I can tell you the tren hex, primo and the sust all came back,
bunk. As far as future testing from me, I will continue testing but my
test results will be for my personal use only. Unfortunately, I will not
post any more reports. As you can see, this has turned into a complete
shit show. Gymandtonics asked for my reply in a post in that thread so
here it is as requested. Hammer and bell knows exactly who i am and has my
order number sponsors are not stupid. If there is anything i would ask
them to do i would ask them to have the primo tabs retested and if there
is a mistake just correct the issue. I said my peace please enjoy your
weekend

RC

 

[zionoir626]

To the OP...

Why don't you pick on Me..???
I like to get down and dirty.. I'll be up your Huckleberry..!!

You did this same shit last year..
Should have been banned then..
You don't contribute a Damn Thing here but Straight Bull Shit..

Your creditability is in the shit can..
You might get a raised brow from some New Members..
But the other 85% knows you're full of shit..

Either stop your shit...
Or I'll take a person,up close...Interest..
And You don't want to see the Old Z.

So..
Go run your crap somewhere else..
No one's listening to your shit here..
I doubt you even lift..

For the people not aware of the POS..
Look up his past threads..
Straight scam artist with absolutely No Integrity..
He's going after Fletcher..yet again..
Fletcher is Greatly Respected Here..
You're a bug on my windshield..

If you continue this BS...
It won't play out well for You..
Let's see...
Yours Truly..
Z...

 

[zionoir626]

I smell coals....
Looks like an Old Time Roast is coming...
Everyone..get your beers and s'mores ready..
This will be Epic...
Shit.. I haven't seen a Member Roasted in yrs and Yrs..

If anyone is deserving...
It's this Guy...

Remember OP...
You started this... don't cry Wolf,when it turns Nasty...
You were warned..!!!
Z...

 

[Jbswole40]

Some1 say roast!!!

 

[zionoir626]

View attachment 100084
Some1 say roast!!!

I love that SNL skit...
As I will this One...
Z...

 

[romart]

Glad to hear this. One week into my H&B t-bol, splitting 25 morning 25 at night. Pumps seek to be improving

That's good to hear. I have a pack of H&B Tbol I plan to start about November.

 

[PositiveVibes]

That's good to hear. I have a pack of H&B Tbol I plan to start about November.

I just finished 6 weeks on H&B tbol, definitely legit, great strength increase and skin splitting pumps.

 

[powertime]

That's good to hear. I have a pack of H&B Tbol I plan to start about November.

You’re good Hammer&Bell has Auctus products and Auctus has aways made pretty solid products.

 

[zionoir626]

First of let me apologize because I should have given a complete run down
of my order prior to the test results. I want to say that hammer and bell
has handled this correctly. I would also like to say that they're
processing of an order is top-notch. I received several emails regarding
my order which I thought was pretty cool as far as asking for a refund. I
am not interested in that nor am I interested in a reship (i have my
reasons. I tested this gear For future purchases from hammer and bell. I
have used several sponsors on this board and I will continue to use as
well as trying out new sponsors that come on to the board. If for any
reason a moderator believes that these samples were tampered with please
feel free to remove my test results. But I want to let everyone know that
this is a stepping stone for future bad results coming from a sponsor.
I did make a mistake of directing the test results to Fletcher, but once
again, my order was placed well before fletcher was a representative for
hammer and bell. The reason I sent the entire bag in was I did not want
anyone to question that the samples I sent were from another source or
something that looks like the samples I sent in. I asked for pictures this
time because of all the questions that were asked from the last time that
I had done testing for this board. I also would like to say that I had
Juice Daddy's gear tested. Unfortunately, I did not post the reports
because I received the report 3 days after he was booted off of this
board. But I can tell you the tren hex, primo and the sust all came back,
bunk. As far as future testing from me, I will continue testing but my
test results will be for my personal use only. Unfortunately, I will not
post any more reports. As you can see, this has turned into a complete
shit show. Gymandtonics asked for my reply in a post in that thread so
here it is as requested. Hammer and bell knows exactly who i am and has my
order number sponsors are not stupid. If there is anything i would ask
them to do i would ask them to have the primo tabs retested and if there
is a mistake just correct the issue. I said my peace please enjoy your
weekend

RC

Not for Not...
But Wiseguy test all of his Stuff too...
I've yet to see him cry... and throw a fit..and act like a Dick..
Maybe..you should just keep your testing,since it's just for You..
Like Wise..to yourself..!!!

BTW....
No one here..wants to hear your Piece..!!!

Like Wes told you..we are a tight nit group here..and we don't tolerate the kind of crap you're slinging..
I Personally think you just like stirring up Shit..!!

I haven't noticed Anyone saying Anything bad about H&B...
You attack both people and sources with impeccable reputations..
So.. you're the only guy..!!
How many Members do we have Now???
The Only Guy......with a Problem..!!!

I think you shit in your canteen..this Time..
Z...

 

[Astro95]

I’d like to see hammer and bell offer store credit or full reimbursement like other labs do to a good 3-5 members that have purchased from them who are willing to send in for blind testing. Good way to put this issue to rest, since apparently OPs credibility is tainted.

 

[KingoftheNorth14]

I have no idea what is going on nor the motivation. Intent seems to be to smear a good source and a seasoned ASF vet.

I haven’t said much throughout this thread but I can say I 100% trust @Fletcher with what he says and does. I trust his experience and wisdom and don’t see any ill intent by him to anyone but more to help others in this community.

As for @Hammer&Bell i see absolutely no reason or suspicion that they are here to pedal fake or under-dosed gear. I believe there are here as a benefit to the community and not here to cause division or harm to ASF members.

Whatever the behind the sciences motivation of the thread is IDK but can’t get on board with the OP’s conspiracy. Especially as this is a second time individually and selectively. I see no other evidence, posts, or tests from anyone else to conclude @Hammer&Bell or @Fletcher have an malicious intent of scamming members by peddling bunk gear.

 

[TotalWar]

Absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence. I also don't think fletch would ever knowingly do that, obviously hes not. But there's a simple solution, just have some of us blind test the shit and we will see if this guy is full of shit. Idk why more people don't test their stuff anyway...I tested my own and of course SB came back on point...its just a good practice to test gear. And let's put to rest any stupid notion that jano is not anything besides impeccable. There is no "jano scamming". It's impossible. But yeah, idk OP. It seems some others will need to produce test. Cuz ur rep is tainted here in terms of these guys. As mine can be on asf from the mistake ive made.

 

[AR-15]

Well not that my opinion means anything anyway but I’m gonna give it just because. Maybe mine is different than most of yours because I’ve been juicing for 20+ years? I’ve seen it when things weren’t so buyer friendly. There was a day when guys would have been super happy just to find out it was real primo. 16mg would have been icing on the cake. Lol
Now I know things have changed. The labs have gotten considerably better at brewing so I get it that everyone wants exact numbers. I just know when I use to brew I could put exactly the same amount of product in the beaker. Heat it. spin it and had the machine set to fill 100 bottles. No matter how hard I tried. No matter how careful Inwas with everything and still I ended up with a little difference everytime we had a test down. That was oil too. Trying to get everything 100% equal in tabs? Forget about it.
There’s just too many variables that can affect the potency of any drug you get tested. That’s why for me I don’t get too excited when I see a test showing perfect numbers nor do I get too bummed when I see a test a little low. Maybe I’m naive but Im ok with 16mg in a tab because I know if multiple tabs were tested out of his bag there would have been slight differences in each tab tested.
Everyone I’d different though. I have proudly used Auctus for years. Probably used more of their products and for longer than anyone here. I’ve never had an issue with anything I’ve used my them. Did I get anything tested? No I did not. I’ve learned to trust a few labs over the years based on mine and other’s experiences with them amd Auctus is one of those labs.
Sounds like Hammer & Bell fulfilled Wes’s expectations and theOP agreed so until the next test let’s move on.
Everyone can do what they want but I’m gonna continue with what has worked for me and Auctus products have been a big part of that.
On a side note if any of you guys that aren’t happy and want refunds instead of returning the gear in question (which is really how it should be done if all was fair) just send it all my way. I’ll use the shit out of those 16mg primo tabs.