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Multislacking said:
If this is what happens (and I'm not saying you are wrong)...but how do we reconcile Mark 13 and verses like "woe to those who are pregnant and pray that your flight isn't during the winter"?
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I think we typically see multiple fulfillments of prophesy. We usually see immediate and then future fulfillment. Acts 2 was a beginning fulfillment of Joel 2 according to Peter. I personally think Christ was very close to coming back in the first Century but the Jews as a nation rejected Messiah. I think the ultimate rejection came in Acts 7 as Stephen was being murdered by the Jewish leaders. When Stephen looked up Christ was standing in judgement against Israel. Very close to that time I believe God set aside Israel and began the Dispensation of the Grace of God for the Gentiles which was spearheaded by Paul. The prophetic timeline was then placed on hold.

In short I think the gospels are speaking of the tribulation. Read it again with the concept that the departure does not exist in the gospels and see what you think. Matthew 24:40 says one would be taken and that is commonly interpreted to mean rapture but the context seems to suggest taken in judgement ie, death. Both the Mark and Matthew text have the word tribulation in them but nowhere the catching away or departure.
 
Obscured78 said:
Not sure how authentic the video is but it was determined that’s not Bill Gates
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Just the fact that would have any type of research for that to me is scary shit.
Dude just sounds like the weasel.

Eat, pound, sleep...
 
heavyiron said:
Matthew 24:40 says one would be taken and that is commonly interpreted to mean rapture but the context seems to suggest taken in judgement ie, death.
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I've always read it as the one taken was the saved christian (those in Christ will be raised first, etc). Those destined for the fire are "left behind"...and not in a kirk cameron kind of way. So, basically I've never read it as "rapture" in the more recent christian sense. Am I following you correctly? Are we thinking the same or am I misinterpreting?
 
Multislacking said:
I've always read it as the one taken was the saved christian (those in Christ will be raised first, etc). Those destined for the fire are "left behind"...and not in a kirk cameron kind of way. So, basically I've never read it as "rapture" in the more recent christian sense. Am I following you correctly? Are we thinking the same or am I misinterpreting?
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36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

In the flood they were taken in judgment/death. ie killed by the flood. The one taken in the field I think is killed by the current events that will take place in the tribulation. The one left in contrast does not die in the tribulation. In other words there will be much death in the tribulation.
 
heavyiron said:
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

In the flood they were taken in judgment/death. ie killed by the flood. The one taken in the field I think is killed by the current events that will take place in the tribulation. The one left in contrast does not die in the tribulation. In other words there will be much death in the tribulation.
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That makes sense too...bad guys gone. I may have to break out the study bible and reread those.

Does the differences in Mark and Matthew ever bother you? One verse in particular:

Mark
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matt
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of[f]heaven,but My Father only.

Trinity discussion fodder, I know.
 
Multislacking said:
That makes sense too...bad guys gone. I may have to break out the study bible and reread those.

Does the differences in Mark and Matthew ever bother you? One verse in particular:

Mark
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matt
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of[f]heaven,but My Father only.

Trinity discussion fodder, I know.
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Not sure your view on the Trinity so you have to be more specific with your question.

Philippians tells us Christ emptied (humbled) Himself so while on earth He was literally the emptied God. I believe He so emptied Himself that He had to have faith.
 
heavyiron said:
I'm not sure i can answer any of your questions because they are assuming things I don't believe to begin with if I'm reading it correctly.

I believe the church will be removed first. I take a pre trib view of end times. I have studied pre, mid and post and I can see the argument for all and post is pretty persuasive except Im a dispensationalist. WAY TOO much to post here but in essence we make a distinction to the directives written to the believing Jews and to the gentiles who were grafted in. I think the departure is a body of Christ benefit and we wont be here to reject or accept a mark of the Beast. Will folks convert to Christianity post departure? Yes and they will endure intense tribulation and/or die.

Anyway, I'm open to the mark being in different forms but for now I think its a physical mark that you must possess to buy or sell goods. Implemented post departure.
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I understand you pov, when I became a believer I was taught pretrib and pretrib teachings are very convincing. Over the last decade or so I swayed to post trib, but if Jesus comes pre trib I won’t be upset about it lol
 
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heavyiron said:
Not sure your view on the Trinity so you have to be more specific with your question.

Philippians tells us Christ emptied (humbled) Himself so while on earth He was literally the emptied God. I believe He so emptied Himself that He had to have faith.
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The trinity is one of those things I don't think is fully and completely explained in the bible. Yes, there are some definitive things, but some things are left open as well. Verses like the ones I mentioned point to a "separation" in the trinity. "Only the Father knows" is one of the better examples of that separation. IMO. I guess what bugs me about those two verses is Matthew missing out on the "the Son" part. It's hard not to read things and put yourself in their shoes, and if it had been me, that would have stuck out to me while Jesus was talking. I'd have been one of the ones saying, "wait, wait, wait...what do You mean You don't know?"

And agreed that Christ lived a sinless life as a man. Subject to all of our temptations.
 
I appreciate the sharing everyone's interpretation of the scripture. Thank you everyone for your contribution.

I was taught/learned that the church would be removed first like heavyiron stated earlier. The term rapture was used alot so I'm used to hearing the term. I do understand where heavy is coming from though on his preference not to use the term.
 
Multislacking said:
Same here. I'm still amazed there have been zero meltdowns in this thread. Just curious...does anyone else pray for this thread?
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“Oh lord please allow this thread to shine in all your glory and keep the swine disinterested in ruining a pearl such as this in the middle of a crap sandwich that is the pit of ASF”


something like that? lol

you’re gonna jinx us man!!!
 
I believe that this thread has made this forum stronger. If only that it has gotten each of us to concentrate on what we believe. I pray for the thread and the people who are keeping it going. What a wonderful witness that this thread has continued.
 
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NKJV
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 
This guy is a bit dramatic and probably teaches kids but man he knows the book. You have to have an understanding of prophecy or this will go way over your head but basically we are in the Hebrew year 5781. The tribulation is a 7 year period or 2,520 days. 1st Century Hebrew years are 360 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAYz7CS4_Sg&feature=share
 
Genesis 50:15-21
King James Version
15 And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.

16 And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,

17 So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.

18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.

19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?

20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

21 Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.
 
Romans 12:3-8 NKJV
For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
 
Milford King said:

when you are going through hell brother, God and the message and story of Jesus Christ can truly motivate you to keep pushing, keep fighting. I’ve smashed some weights listen to the motivation sermons from this YouTube channel, The Lion of Judah. ... there is also some really nice internet guides to interpreting the Bible.

the holy bible is an incredible and very motivational book.
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Thank you for sharing this. What a powerful video to watch over morning coffee.

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Indiana Jones was never going to find it:

Revelation 11:19
Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
 
understanding the devil. He was cast out of the heavens unto earth, where he corrupted mankind. The way I see it is.... we are all devils. But God wants us back. But only if that’s what we want in our hearts.
 
The only promises that Babylonian empires make good on are the promises of war, violence, conflict and suffering. Gods promise trumps all.

thank you for allowing me to see that I’m not the only spiritual gym rat on planet Babylon.
 
Psalm 83
O GOD, DO NOT KEEP SILENCE
1 Do not keep silent, O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God! 2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. 4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." 5 For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You: 6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
Moab and the Hagrites; 7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek;
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre; 8 Assyria also has joined with them;
They have helped the children of Lot. Selah

9 Deal with them as with Midian,
As with Sisera,
As with Jabin at the Brook Kishon, 10 Who perished at En Dor,
Who became as refuse on the earth. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeeb,
Yes, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna, 12 Who said, "Let us take for ourselves
The pastures of God for a possession."

13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind! 14 As the fire burns the woods,
And as the flame sets the mountains on fire, 15 So pursue them with Your tempest,
And frighten them with Your storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame,
That they may seek Your name, O LORD. 17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever;
Yes, let them be put to shame and perish, 18 That they may know that You, whose name alone is the LORD,
Are the Most High over all the earth.
 
So i have to ask this because someone a long time ago explained jesus 2nd coming as already happened?

So after jesus was crucified and "went to hell" i guess its been explained, and rose again 3 days later,

That , this guy explained, was in fact jesus return....?

Anyone ever heard this?



Also, i still do feel as the the "falling away" is the great group of people who fall away from following christ and he allows them to belive the delusion as they have made thier choice....

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