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Bible Thread

Man sometimes I pull the Bible out and just open it and put my finger on a random verse.
And God tells me what I would not like to read....


Leviticus 15:16-18

Eat, pound, sleep...
 
Leviticus is a book much like judges and Kings.


the Pharisees turned their backs on God. You lay in the bed you make.
 
heavyiron said:
None of the links are from FB. Not sure what you mean?
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The first link you posted take me here...


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I think this is as close as we've come at this point in time in our history. It will be done in the name of Covid and safety's sake. Not vaccinated? Can't go in the store to buy anything. Not vaccinated? Can't go to work, school, etc.

Needless to say, there will be a blackmarket for tp, gas, and such. Not sure how long people will be able to pay those inflated blackmarket prices though.
 
jolter604 said:
Man sometimes I pull the Bible out and just open it and put my finger on a random verse.
And God tells me what I would not like to read....


Leviticus 15:16-18

Eat, pound, sleep...
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A lot of that is good old fashioned health code stuff for people who had no clue about how bacteria spread, etc. Kind of a "employees must wash hands before returning to work" sign in the bathroom.
 
Multislacking said:
I think this is as close as we've come at this point in time in our history. It will be done in the name of Covid and safety's sake. Not vaccinated? Can't go in the store to buy anything. Not vaccinated? Can't go to work, school, etc.

Needless to say, there will be a blackmarket for tp, gas, and such. Not sure how long people will be able to pay those inflated blackmarket prices though.
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Make no mistake the mark of the beast is not going to be that obvious as to be in a vaccine no matter if it’s bill gates or 060606 patent number, that’s not going to be it.

We already all carry the phone which tracks every single move amd every single thing we do or spend


The Mark is gonna come with the allegiance to something, something that everyone is gonna want, quite possibly in the form of money.... once this “great financial reset” happens I believe we will know much more... Ever heard of NESARA/GESARA ?


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HFO3 said:
Make no mistake the mark of the beast is not going to be that obvious as to be in a vaccine no matter if it’s bill gates or 060606 patent number, that’s not going to be it.

We already all carry the phone which tracks every single move amd every single thing we do or spend


The Mark is gonna come with the allegiance to something, something that everyone is gonna want, quite possibly in the form of money.... once this “great financial reset” happens I believe we will know much more... Ever heard of NESARA/GESARA ?


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No, I don't think the vaccine itself is the mark. Not per se. Even with names like luciferase or whatever is in it and the 060606 deal, etc. Bear with me, it's early and I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet. I'm saying this "disease" has the *potential* to go a lot further. The mark will be related to a man...not the disease or vaccine itself. Just looking back historically, specifically in my lifetime...I remember when barcodes were gonna be the mark of the beast. People have always been looking for "is this the mark?" type of mindset. And I think the quarantine, covid, etc is (at a minimum) a testing ground. Or grooming us for what is to come.

We've been living in the "end times" for awhile:

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[a] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

And the mark is definitely related directly to *a* man:

Revelation 13:17-18
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666

As far as nesara, I think it is another thing that people are looking at under the "could it be this" light. I don't think we'll have to have a "one world currency" for the mark to be effective. Would it help? Absolutely 100%. But I don't think we have to get to that point for the mark to work.

Bouncing back to 1 John 2:18...how does everyone read that verse? I see words like "it IS the last hour"....meaning they were already living in the last hour 2000yrs ago. And "many antichrists"...meaning there are many who are working directly against God. So the antichrist with 666 will be more of an "end game boss" character. But he won't have been the only bad guy in this battle by a long shot.


 
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2 Kings 20:1-11 NKJV
1 In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, "Thus says the Lord: 'Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.' " 2 Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3 "Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight." And Hezekiah wept bitterly. 4 And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5 "Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, 'Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6 And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David." ' "
 
I always thought the mark of the beast refered to ones actions and ones thoughts (right hand; forehead). Which means if you accept a certain ideology, then and only then, will you be able to live or have access to the things you need for basic survival.

I remember the CEO of Nestle years ago saying, fresh water is not a basic human right but a privilege.

i see the mark of the beast as an indoctrination of some type, kind of like how the “progressives” talk about re-education and deny your inner “white supremacy “ and swear allegiance to global communism and burn all the churches and bibles and view your government as your god. Then you can eat and drink.
 
E.J.D said:
2 Kings 20:1-11 NKJV
1 In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, "Thus says the Lord: 'Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.' " 2 Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3 "Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight." And Hezekiah wept bitterly. 4 And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5 "Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, 'Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6 And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David." ' "
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This is why some guys go out while they're still on top. Things didn't work out so well for Hezekiah.
 
Milford King said:
I always thought the mark of the beast refered to ones actions and ones thoughts (right hand; forehead). Which means if you accept a certain ideology, then and only then, will you be able to live or have access to the things you need for basic survival.
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I've said it before, but I think this has a lot of merit. And is a strong contender for what the mark could actually be...thoughts and deeds. It's a good thing that all christians look at everything with skepticism and ask themselves "is this the mark."
 
Multislacking said:
I've said it before, but I think this has a lot of merit. And is a strong contender for what the mark could actually be...thoughts and deeds. It's a good thing that all christians look at everything with skepticism and ask themselves "is this the mark."
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I believe you were the one that opened my eyes to that perception of what the mark truly could be. Thanks for all the insight brother, I appreciate you!
 
HFO3 said:
Make no mistake the mark of the beast is not going to be that obvious as to be in a vaccine no matter if it’s bill gates or 060606 patent number, that’s not going to be it.

We already all carry the phone which tracks every single move amd every single thing we do or spend


The Mark is gonna come with the allegiance to something, something that everyone is gonna want, quite possibly in the form of money.... once this “great financial reset” happens I believe we will know much more... Ever heard of NESARA/GESARA ?


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Gates is going to hook crypto to the ID 2020 mark. Its already in the works
 
heavyiron said:
Gates is going to hook crypto to the ID 2020 mark. Its already in the works
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Yes sir, I am fully aware of that and of lucifer-race being the name and 060606 the patent, I think its a deception, I could be wrong but thats also why I posted so I can hear what others believe and then brainstorm it.

Do you think the “elect” could possibly be deceived by a chip of any sort on its own? Idk but I don’t think that’s possible, its seems too obvious and the devil is ... Jesus said be not deceived in Matthew 24 when asked by the disciples “when will these things and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age” He replied “see to it nobody deceives you” and I believe he meant the devil is looking to trick believers into something they didn’t bargain for, possibly the re-alignment of your allegiance from Him to money is where I’m going with this. You cannot serve two Gods, you will love one and despise the other.

I see both scenarios make sense, I’m giving us a different perspective to discuss:coffee:



Matthew 6:24: No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.


Matthew 24 While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Revelation 13: And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.d


 
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No, I don't think the vaccine itself is the mark. Not per se. Even with names like luciferase or whatever is in it and the 060606 deal, etc. Bear with me, it's early and I haven't had my second cup of coffee yet. I'm saying this "disease" has the *potential* to go a lot further. The mark will be related to a man...not the disease or vaccine itself. Just looking back historically, specifically in my lifetime...I remember when barcodes were gonna be the mark of the beast. People have always been looking for "is this the mark?" type of mindset. And I think the quarantine, covid, etc is (at a minimum) a testing ground. Or grooming us for what is to come.

We've been living in the "end times" for awhile:

1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[a] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

And the mark is definitely related directly to *a* man:

Revelation 13:17-18
17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666

As far as nesara, I think it is another thing that people are looking at under the "could it be this" light. I don't think we'll have to have a "one world currency" for the mark to be effective. Would it help? Absolutely 100%. But I don't think we have to get to that point for the mark to work.

Bouncing back to 1 John 2:18...how does everyone read that verse? I see words like "it IS the last hour"....meaning they were already living in the last hour 2000yrs ago. And "many antichrists"...meaning there are many who are working directly against God. So the antichrist with 666 will be more of an "end game boss" character. But he won't have been the only bad guy in this battle by a long shot.


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I didn’t edit you, lol I hit the wrong tab. I also agree with you on many points, I don't mean to come across definitive and all understanding in my post and I see that I did. I also believe we have been in the last hour since our generation saw Israel become a state.
 
HFO3 said:
Yes sir, I am fully aware of that and of lucifer-race being the name and 060606 the patent, I think its a deception, I could be wrong but thats also why I posted so I can hear what others believe and then brainstorm it.

Do you think the “elect” could possibly be deceived by a chip of any sort on its own? Idk but I don’t think that’s possible, its seems too obvious and the devil is ... Jesus said be not deceived in Matthew 24 when asked by the disciples “when will these things and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age” He replied “see to it nobody deceives you” and I believe he meant the devil is looking to trick believers into something they didn’t bargain for, possibly the re-alignment of your allegiance from Him to money is where I’m going with this. You cannot serve two Gods, you will love one and despise the other.

I see both scenarios make sense, I’m giving us a different perspective to discuss:coffee:



Matthew 6:24: No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.


Matthew 24 While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Revelation 13: And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666.d
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I'm not sure i can answer any of your questions because they are assuming things I don't believe to begin with if I'm reading it correctly.

I believe the church will be removed first. I take a pre trib view of end times. I have studied pre, mid and post and I can see the argument for all and post is pretty persuasive except Im a dispensationalist. WAY TOO much to post here but in essence we make a distinction to the directives written to the believing Jews and to the gentiles who were grafted in. I think the departure is a body of Christ benefit and we wont be here to reject or accept a mark of the Beast. Will folks convert to Christianity post departure? Yes and they will endure intense tribulation and/or die.

Anyway, I'm open to the mark being in different forms but for now I think its a physical mark that you must possess to buy or sell goods. Implemented post departure.
 
When you say church being removed first... are you talking about Rome specifically or are you talking about some laws being passed outlawing specific denominations... or literal tearing down of churches worldwide?
 
HFO3 said:
I didn’t edit you, lol I hit the wrong tab. I also agree with you on many points, I don't mean to come across definitive and all understanding in my post and I see that I did. I also believe we have been in the last hour since our generation saw Israel become a state.
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Oh no, I didn't take it that way at all. And most of mine is just conjecture as well. If the jews got it wrong for so many years, I'm pretty sure the rest of us are going to make some mistakes too. Once again, why Jesus kept dumbing it down for us...love God and love one another.

I think there is a reason so much of prophecy is left wide open for interpretation. It is to keep all of us on our toes and looking, always seeking. Being vigilant. I very rarely take a hard core stance when it comes to prophecy, if for no other reason, it has been shown that people have gotten it waaaaay wrong before. Again, and again.

KISS....Keep It Simple Stupid. Whenever in doubt, I keep it simple and go back to the basics. Love God, love one another.
 
Milford King said:
When you say church being removed first... are you talking about Rome specifically or are you talking about some laws being passed outlawing specific denominations... or literal tearing down of churches worldwide?
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I think we (The church or the body of Christ) will depart from this earth first. I don't like the word rapture because it does not exist in the Bible in the original. Its a pet peeve of mine so I use the word departure instead. I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture/departure.

I have added a different translation below. I replaced the words "falling away" to "departure" because that is the original in the Greek. So instead of a departure from faith which many believe the text is saying I think it literally means a departure of the Church ie. rapture. My Greek professor taught me this about 25 years ago. He held a phd.

The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away (DEPARTURE) comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
Wow. Thanks man. Departure of the church being Christ’s followers get to bail out on the hell on earth. That’s great! I was thinking you meant the government destroying Christianity by outlawing it or something. Which is something I think we will def see attempted.

thanks for the clarity.
 
Milford King said:
Wow. Thanks man. Departure of the church being Christ’s followers get to bail out on the hell on earth. That’s great! I was thinking you meant the government destroying Christianity by outlawing it or something. Which is something I think we will def see attempted.
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thanks for the clarity.
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God will pour out His wrath during the tribulation (7 year period) The scripture says we the body of Christ are not appointed to wrath.

The Day of the Lord

1But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11Therefore comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

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Given the context this salvation is likely from the tribulation not the salvation of our souls

Anyway our role is to communicate love, faith and hope to others through Christ until the departure.
 
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heavyiron said:
I think we (The church or the body of Christ) will depart from this earth first. I don't like the word rapture because it does not exist in the Bible in the original. Its a pet peeve of mine so I use the word departure instead. I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture/departure.

I have added a different translation below. I replaced the words "falling away" to "departure" because that is the original in the Greek. So instead of a departure from faith which many believe the text is saying I think it literally means a departure of the Church ie. rapture. My Greek professor taught me this about 25 years ago. He held a phd.

The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away (DEPARTURE) comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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If this is what happens (and I'm not saying you are wrong)...but how do we reconcile Mark 13 and verses like "woe to those who are pregnant and pray that your flight isn't during the winter"?
 

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