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Bible Thread

heavyiron said:
No event has to happen before the departure at this point if you believe in a pre-tribulation view. . It could literally happen any day.
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its been awhile since ive read the bible. So is the departure when the people leave the church & worship the antichrist
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Unlisted said:
doesn't the temple have to be rebuilt in order to start things off for the return on christ?

this would involve booting the muslims from the site & destroying their mosque?



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That's what I have always thought.
 
Unlisted said:
its been awhile since ive read the bible. So is the departure when the people leave the church & worship the antichrist
?

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The word rapture does not exist in scripture. Its a word that describes the departure of the church. The word departure can be translated from the Greek Word apostasia in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Many translate it "falling away" or "apostasy" though.

This is a decent article I just found. I only skimmed it but it looks accurate IMHO.

https://www.raptureforums.com/raptu...t,Holy Spirit’s presence in the church. More
 
I still don't think we're going to get a hall pass. It's a nice thought, but I don't think it will happen. "Woe to those who are with child, etc, etc." As Heavy pointed out, the word rapture does not exist in scripture. This is a really lengthy topic that is difficult to cover in brief forum posts though. There's a reason Jesus kept dumbing everything down for us.
 
what intrigues me is how much things coincide with the good & evil of todays time & the conspiracy theories these evil fucks plan for the world & its population

It states we would lose 1 of every 2 men with yrs of unbelievable suffering in tribulations..

sad part is 30 yrs ago i looked at this & revelations as a very far fetched scenario however in todays world not so much & it really feels we are pretty close to something very evil coming this way. Whether its civil war, world war , famine, economy , government collapsing , a visit from another world etc etc

there is some crazy shit going on behind the scenes in power right now. You can feel it. We are definately close to something big & unexpected.

Stay tuned for the shit show to unfold



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Has anyone ever had a life threatening moment, people usually cry out to god when they get scared. I mean when have you ever heard someone falling off a cliff shout. help me L. Ron hubbard
 
so1970 said:
Has anyone ever had a life threatening moment, people usually cry out to god when they get scared. I mean when have you ever heard someone falling off a cliff shout. help me L. Ron hubbard
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I've seen plenty of people praying in life threatening moments. Are you just pointing out what L. Ron said or have something else in mind? Here's my favorite L Ron quote:

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Biblical definitions:

apocalypse: a revealing of or uncovering of.
armageddon: specific location of a war between good and evil.

I don’t personally believe the letters of revelation were written for us to decode in order to know when Jesus will return or the kingdom of God reigns on earth. I believe it was just a really good interpretation of humanity and the destruction humanity is not only capable of but repeatedly participates in. History repeats itself. Every Babylon dies and sprouts again.

sometimes I think about it and it gets scary how much the empire that is the United States matches up with the nations described in the book of revelation.
 
I urge you non believers to check out bible project. Keep an open mind. Short and pretty thorough summaries of the books. Plus, they look like Portlandian liberals so there’s that too lol

but seriously. Give your heart a chance to know Christ.
 
Started this chapter today:

[h=1]Daniel 3

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New International Version



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[/h] [h=3]The Image of Gold and the Blazing Furnace[/h]3 King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold, sixty cubits high and six cubits wide,[SUP][a][/SUP] and set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He then summoned the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the image he had set up. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So the satraps, prefects, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials assembled for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then the herald loudly proclaimed, “Nations and peoples of every language, this is what you are commanded to do: [SUP]5 [/SUP]As soon as you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp and all kinds of music, all the nations and peoples of every language fell down and worshiped the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]At this time some astrologers[SUP][b][/SUP] came forward and denounced the Jews. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They said to King Nebuchadnezzar, “May the king live forever! [SUP]10 [/SUP]Your Majesty has issued a decree that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music must fall down and worship the image of gold, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and that whoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into a blazing furnace. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Furious with rage, Nebuchadnezzar summoned Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So these men were brought before the king, [SUP]14 [/SUP]and Nebuchadnezzar said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of gold I have set up? [SUP]15 [/SUP]Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[SUP][c][/SUP] from Your Majesty’s hand. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual [SUP]20 [/SUP]and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. [SUP]21 [/SUP]So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”
They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP]He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”
 
I would like to know that my faith was that strong. But I'm thankful that we live in a country where we are free to Express our beliefs without persecution. I'm also not sure how many more years that will be true
 
John 1

New King James Version

The Eternal Word

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [f]is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 [g]And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

vs 1, 14 and 18 are powerful but I posted the context
 
Proverbs 31:6
New King James Version
Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to those who are bitter of heart.

Other translations have "who is ready to die" in place of perishing.

Thoughts? Is it acceptable to cheer up a saint with alcohol?


 
Multislacking said:
Proverbs 31:6
New King James Version
Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to those who are bitter of heart.

Other translations have "who is ready to die" in place of perishing.

Thoughts? Is it acceptable to cheer up a saint with alcohol?
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I don't see it as an issue but the thing is alcohol being a depressant, I don't see it helping per say?

Maybe dulling pain, and the situation?

I have no issue with people consuming alcohol, though I do think it possesses addictive qualities, and can be very dangerous. It has more medical complications then any other drug in the World.
 
Multislacking said:
Proverbs 31:6
New King James Version
Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to those who are bitter of heart.

Other translations have "who is ready to die" in place of perishing.

Thoughts? Is it acceptable to cheer up a saint with alcohol?
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I'm a different wired guy. I've only had 4 alcohol drinks my entire life. Been straight edge before it was cool lol. So my outlook my be completely different than the majority.

I think it could be ok to take a saint out for a drink if they are having a rough go with life. But there could be a issue if the person and their brain equate having a drink with feeling better about the world. Then start needing the feeling of relief via drinks then end up in a downward spiral. That's an extreme case but I've seen it happen a few times in my life. So depends on the person.
 
Proverbs 31 was a list of things king lemuel had learned from his mother. The point of 31 :6 wasn't about the giving of wine and beer to the sick or depressed. It was her telling him that as a leader of the people he should keep himself from strong drink.
 
Multislacking said:
Proverbs 31:6
New King James Version
Give strong drink to him who is perishing,
And wine to those who are bitter of heart.

Other translations have "who is ready to die" in place of perishing.

Thoughts? Is it acceptable to cheer up a saint with alcohol?
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Reminds me of when Christ was offered wine and gall on the cross. What did he do?
 

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