Wolverine Stack- Any Success???

[McPriimate]

What concentration do y’all run?

I have KLOW 80 and need to run it again as I have an adductor tear I’m rehabbing. It’s got worse bite than any oil or other peptide I’ve run. Tried 3ml (fits in vial) and then even 6ml. 3ml is too spicy. Slightly better at 6ml

Just wondering if anyone’s found a good concentration/location/voodoo dance to calm the bee sting


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[balin]

Every few months or years i hear about a new drug/protocol that is super great. It makes the news till the next miracle comes along.
As the years and decades go by i can't say where i see where the vast majority of people are actually healing faster then they did long ago with the new treatments.
Hopefully some day a good unbiased study will come out showing something is effective.

 

[McPriimate]

Every few months or years i hear about a new drug/protocol that is super great. It makes the news till the next miracle comes along.
As the years and decades go by i can't say where i see where the vast majority of people are actually healing faster then they did long ago with the new treatments.
Hopefully some day a good unbiased study will come out showing something is effective.

I buy a lot of snake oil. It’s my second fave after placebo

Tongue in cheek, but I try to limit the stuff that might be really dangerous (although I still want to try tren despite knowing what I know lol) and take more of the might be helpful but prolly just there variety. KLOW (or the so called Wolverine stack portion of it) if run at moderate doses and not chronically is probably in that category.

But maybe not, so buyer beware I guess

Most of the shit people get excited about just fades away with time, as you say (but I’m still running KLOW to help with my adductor tear )


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[balin]

I buy a lot of snake oil. It’s my second fave after placebo

Tongue in cheek, but I try to limit the stuff that might be really dangerous (although I still want to try tren despite knowing what I know lol) and take more of the might be helpful but prolly just there variety. KLOW (or the so called Wolverine stack portion of it) if run at moderate doses and not chronically is probably in that category.

But maybe not, so buyer beware I guess

Most of the shit people get excited about just fades away with time, as you say (but I’m still running KLOW to help with my adductor tear )


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I am sure that at the least the vast majority of the supps i have used in my almost 50 years of sup use has been a waste of time.
I remember when DMSO was a great cure all long ago. HGH was the holy grail till the next thing came along. BPC was great TB-55. Now it it the right formula of those plus a few more ingredients.. And the list goes on
I have tried most of those and recovered well and also recovered very well and quicker then Dr predicted just being totally natural eating a healthy diet and staying active.
I am pretty disillusioned about products that have no real data done on humans in the real world. I find what works in a a lab setting tends to have far less value in real life.
At my age i hope for a miracle potion. There is always going to be the next one. And may try it.

 

[McPriimate]

I am sure that at the least the vast majority of the supps i have used in my almost 50 years of sup use has been a waste of time.
I remember when DMSO was a great cure all long ago. HGH was the holy grail till the next thing came along. BPC was great TB-55. Now it it the right formula of those plus a few more ingredients.. And the list goes on
I have tried most of those and recovered well and also recovered very well and quicker then Dr predicted just being totally natural eating a healthy diet and staying active.
I am pretty disillusioned about products that have no real data done on humans in the real world. I find what works in a a lab setting tends to have far less value in real life.
At my age i hope for a miracle potion. There is always going to be the next one. And may try it.

Man do I hear ya. I think about all the fads over the years and just have to roll my eyes (and pretend I didn’t try them all )

We do live in an age of magic pills though

The real ones are test if yours is low, gh as you get older (or want to get big), glp-1’s if you’re a fatty (or want the other long term benefits), statins if you’re hypercholesterolemic (come at me statin haters lol), antibiotics (holy shit did those change the world) and all the BP meds we now have. All that shit works and they were like magic potions when they came out - not that long ago for most of them, too.

Wonder why we live longer now? While not the total effect, the above are a biiiig part of it and of living better (test - really HRT for men and women - and gh are right up there for that)

Just wish the magic pill for muscle and a big crank would come out

(and honorable mention to coffee - it’s my daily drug of choice and pure fuckin’ magic, afaic lol)


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[DM47#]

I have been taking bpc 157 and TB 500 for sometime. I had some knee issues recently and bumped up the dose on both and while my pain became much more tolerable there's no way it's going to fix a torn ACL and Meniscus. I came off of them and within 2 days the knee pain was intolerable again. Another benefit I've seen with it is I will take some mega dumps occasionally when pinning both the same night. I pin 157 every day and 500 every 3rd day. I haven't had a diverticulitis flair up since starting up as well.

 

[balin]

Man do I hear ya. I think about all the fads over the years and just have to roll my eyes (and pretend I didn’t try them all )

We do live in an age of magic pills though

The real ones are test if yours is low, gh as you get older (or want to get big), glp-1’s if you’re a fatty (or want the other long term benefits), statins if you’re hypercholesterolemic (come at me statin haters lol), antibiotics (holy shit did those change the world) and all the BP meds we now have. All that shit works and they were like magic potions when they came out - not that long ago for most of them, too.

Wonder why we live longer now? While not the total effect, the above are a biiiig part of it and of living better (test - really HRT for men and women - and gh are right up there for that)

Just wish the magic pill for muscle and a big crank would come out

(and honorable mention to coffee - it’s my daily drug of choice and pure fuckin’ magic, afaic lol)


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I understand what you are saying
I wouldn't call test a magic drug it is just some thing that has been around forever and almost 100 years ago we learned to make it and use it. Many over use it it seems. Many don't get around to using it. The number of people on HRT is small and much of it is for gender-affirming hormone therapy. And with men's T levels down 40% in the last 40 years don't see TRT doing much other then getting people back to where they were before most became over weight the last few decades
.
I have seen no data to support that people live longer that take. it. I may want it to be true but have never really seem anything to back it up.

GLP-1's for fatty's may not be that great as it really doesn't solve the problem as studies show most everyone gain the weight back in a fairly short time.
And no long term studies have been done. I have to wonder if turning on the pancreas 24/7 when it was built for short spurts a few times a day will be worth it.

People are getting tested more and are prescribed drugs more but it doesn't seem to solve the problem either from a quality of life stance from my perspective. . I wouldn't call what i see most doing in their 80's+ as living, more like existing. Studies tend to show by the mid 70's most people leave their house to go to the grocery store, Dr and visit family.

Now coffee is a different topic. The vast majority of the data i have seen for the last 10 years+ point to it being a great health food. The CDC put out a statement a few years ago that most Americans get more nutrition from coffee then the rest of their diet as most only eat like 3 servings of veggies a day. And data suggests that caffeine is neuroprotective, i can only hope that is true!
Old farts like me need all the help we can get!

 

[balin]

I have been taking bpc 157 and TB 500 for sometime. I had some knee issues recently and bumped up the dose on both and while my pain became much more tolerable there's no way it's going to fix a torn ACL and Meniscus. I came off of them and within 2 days the knee pain was intolerable again. Another benefit I've seen with it is I will take some mega dumps occasionally when pinning both the same night. I pin 157 every day and 500 every 3rd day. I haven't had a diverticulitis flair up since starting up as well.

That was pretty much my experience when i used them a few times over the last 12+ years.
Sounds like it is an anti inflammatory effect. Do other anti inflammatory lower discomfort.
Seems they may have benefit from small tears/strains. But can't say i have seem MRI's that really show.
No studies on people with TB-500 that i know and only a few small preliminary pilot studies with BPC even though they have been around 20-30 years.

 

[Moya Squats]

People claim they have. I've tried spot injections, just SubQ in general, and get nothing out of BPC or BPC/TB

Interesting...
What injury were you using it for? I've had a of success with it, but usually run it for some moderately bad injuries. I can get virtually instant inflammation relief when spot pinning it. But I'm also and old achy masters division powerlifter.

 

[WED]

Interesting...
What injury were you using it for? I've had a of success with it, but usually run it for some moderately bad injuries. I can get virtually instant inflammation relief when spot pinning it. But I'm also and old achy masters division powerlifter.

Some elbow issues. Brachioradialis pull, few other things. I do get some quick lubrication when I put it in my elbow, but it never "heals" anything