What's your Test/Primo dosage sweet spot?

[BeginnerUser]

I'm thinking about running primo for my next cycle. I'd like to run 300 test/300 primo weekly, with 20mg anavar daily.

I'm seeing that primo can drop your estrogen, so I'm curious to see if anybody has had low E issues running primo with a lower test dose. If you have had these issues what were your dosages?

 

[Phill]

I'm on 600 mg test + 700 mg primo / week
20 mg aromasin ED
tomorrow I'm going to take blood.
... we will see estro levels

 

[Wiseguy]

Currently on 300 sus, 400 primo and 400 masteron and loving it. I’ve ran primo for decades and even at 800 mgs a week I had no estrogen issues.

 

[Meetketchup]

Always used test with Primo, but bloods were always off. Kept tweaking until I found it was test that was causing estrogen and other blood work markers to be off. Now I run Primo and in off-season will add Deca at 1/2 dosage of primo dosage and bloodwork is spot on. Might not be popular by most, but works perfectly for me. I have zero sides and no estrogen issues, which allows me to be AI free.

 

[TheOldJJdigs]

I’ve run Primo at 400/600/800… test has been anywhere from 500mg to a gram. I think for me my sweet spot would be 600mg maybe I’d see if I could lower it to 500mg I bet that would be just as good. As I’m getting older I’m trying to adopt a less is more attitude.

I’ve also picked up Primo Ace tabs and those are also amazing and I tolerate them very well. 60mg ED has been my sweet spot and I’ve seen very good results. My skin almost looks peeled and I’ve only been taking them 4 weeks. I’m way more vascular even my girl has noticed all my veins everywhere (and she typically doesn’t say a lot when my body is changing).

I definitely handle Primo extremely well. Might be time to hang up the TREN… might not be worth it anymore

 

[BBruce]

Always used test with Primo, but bloods were always off. Kept tweaking until I found it was test that was causing estrogen and other blood work markers to be off. Now I run Primo and in off-season will add Deca at 1/2 dosage of primo dosage and bloodwork is spot on. Might not be popular by most, but works perfectly for me. I have zero sides and no estrogen issues, which allows me to be AI free.

So you’re saying you’re not using Test at all with Primo? and sometimes Primo/Deca without Test?

 

[rdm]

600mg Test with 300mg Primo works wonders for me personally

 

[Meetketchup]

So you’re saying you’re not using Test at all with Primo? and sometimes Primo/Deca without Test?

Yes and this is coming from an old "must always have a test base" guy until I started religiously getting blood work done and went down the rabbit hole of steroidal chemical structures, relevant studies and picking the brain of IFBB Pro/medical doctor who specialized in bio chem. After years of tweaking, almost all my bad bloods and sides were due to the test, especially when combining a nandrolone. I find people who run moderate to high test with nandrolones blame the sides on the nandrolone, when in fact issues like estrogen, etc are due to the high test. Deca for example converts to much less and still very anabolic. You could keep test in and inject enough for basic function (50mg - 100mg.) I tried that route too, but didn't need it and blood work got even better when it was removed.

This is what works for ME and took some trial and error. The body is not a text book so different things work for different people. In my case the switch to Primo and Nandrolones have done wonders.

For clarification. I don't run Primo alone. I either run it with Deca or Tren depending on time of season varying dosages (cruise, etc)

 

[Brickedup]

Does adding a small amount of promo do anything? Like if I was running 500 test and threw in 250 primo for a 12 week cycle would it just be a waste of the primo?

 

[Bolan]

Does adding a small amount of promo do anything? Like if I was running 500 test and threw in 250 primo for a 12 week cycle would it just be a waste of the primo?

A waste.... Primo Cycles should be run for at least 16 weeks to see noticeable results.. Primo is so mild that 500-1g+ is still very safe and any size gained while on a primo cycle can easily be kept.

 

[BeginnerUser]

Thanks for all the responses! I’ll just have to wait and see what the blood work looks like.

Side note, what’s the max you guys will inject into your delts at a time typically? It’s gonna suck going from 1.2ml a week to 4.2ml a week adding in primo.

 

[rdm]

Thanks for all the responses! I’ll just have to wait and see what the blood work looks like.

Side note, what’s the max you guys will inject into your delts at a time typically? It’s gonna suck going from 1.2ml a week to 4.2ml a week adding in primo.

I've never done more than 1.5ML in one delt. I always break up my shots bilateral so if I'm pinning 2ML I will put 1ML in each delt.

You can also start adding in new sites to inject. Are you already using glutes? Those are pretty easy and they can take a good amount of volume.

 

[BeginnerUser]

I've never done more than 1.5ML in one delt. I always break up my shots bilateral so if I'm pinning 2ML I will put 1ML in each delt.

You can also start adding in new sites to inject. Are you already using glutes? Those are pretty easy and they can take a good amount of volume.

Started with glutes, switched to VG, and now to delts because it’s so much easier. Just ordered some 30G needles too, I’ll find out next pin how that goes with .6 ml of test lol.

 

[BeginnerUser]

I've never done more than 1.5ML in one delt. I always break up my shots bilateral so if I'm pinning 2ML I will put 1ML in each delt.

You can also start adding in new sites to inject. Are you already using glutes? Those are pretty easy and they can take a good amount of volume.

I really just to to avoid any scar tissue build up, but it is what is is when you add high volume compounds

 

[rdm]

I really just to to avoid any scar tissue build up, but it is what is is when you add high volume compounds

If your goal is to minimize scar tissue build up than you need to rotate sites often and use smaller gauge needles. It sounds like you already did the latter so just need to rotate often.

 

[Meetketchup]

Started with glutes, switched to VG, and now to delts because it’s so much easier. Just ordered some 30G needles too, I’ll find out next pin how that goes with .6 ml of test lol.

30g's are just a tad too small for me. The smallest I'll go is 29g's and heat up the syringe with some hot water for a smoother injection. As the great post above stated, rotating sites makes a huge difference, especially if you're not a monster.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Yes and this is coming from an old "must always have a test base" guy until I started religiously getting blood work done and went down the rabbit hole of steroidal chemical structures, relevant studies and picking the brain of IFBB Pro/medical doctor who specialized in bio chem. After years of tweaking, almost all my bad bloods and sides were due to the test, especially when combining a nandrolone. I find people who run moderate to high test with nandrolones blame the sides on the nandrolone, when in fact issues like estrogen, etc are due to the high test. Deca for example converts to much less and still very anabolic. You could keep test in and inject enough for basic function (50mg - 100mg.) I tried that route too, but didn't need it and blood work got even better when it was removed.

This is what works for ME and took some trial and error. The body is not a text book so different things work for different people. In my case the switch to Primo and Nandrolones have done wonders.

For clarification. I don't run Primo alone. I either run it with Deca or Tren depending on time of season varying dosages (cruise, etc)

This is very cool to read.

Primo basically is your base test.

What was TT when using Primo/ Deca (with no Test) and what were the dosages of both those compounds?

Very interesting information bro...

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[TheOldJJdigs]

This is very cool to read.

Primo basically is your base test.

What was TT when using Primo/ Deca (with no Test) and what were the dosages of both those compounds?

Very interesting information bro...

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I’ll second that…

See I’ve always wondered if what they did in the 80’s is a better way to go… only related to the less side effects. Not that the BB’rs of the 80’s were bigger than the BB’rs now (or the last 5 years) I just mean they ran a lot of gear and a lot of them didn’t take Test all year round.

I’ve never tried running gear without test. Mainly because I didn’t want to run my body into the ground and also not be able to get a hard on.

But I do cringe at the thought of running Deca and primo only cycles lol lol. I don’t know something inside of me screams that it’s so wrong lol. But I’d be interested in hearing more for sure.

 

[TheOldJJdigs]

Yes and this is coming from an old "must always have a test base" guy until I started religiously getting blood work done and went down the rabbit hole of steroidal chemical structures, relevant studies and picking the brain of IFBB Pro/medical doctor who specialized in bio chem. After years of tweaking, almost all my bad bloods and sides were due to the test, especially when combining a nandrolone. I find people who run moderate to high test with nandrolones blame the sides on the nandrolone, when in fact issues like estrogen, etc are due to the high test. Deca for example converts to much less and still very anabolic. You could keep test in and inject enough for basic function (50mg - 100mg.) I tried that route too, but didn't need it and blood work got even better when it was removed.

This is what works for ME and took some trial and error. The body is not a text book so different things work for different people. In my case the switch to Primo and Nandrolones have done wonders.

For clarification. I don't run Primo alone. I either run it with Deca or Tren depending on time of season varying dosages (cruise, etc)

I don’t mean to get too personal… so you say you noticed less side effects running your protocol this way. Were you able to have sex anytime you wanted it? How was your libido? Was the desire to have sex with your partner less or more?

Did you feel better? Less lethargic? I only ask because you interested in what you stated above. Thanks brother

 

[BeginnerUser]

If your goal is to minimize scar tissue build up than you need to rotate sites often and use smaller gauge needles. It sounds like you already did the latter so just need to rotate often.

Thanks man, yeah I do need be better better at rotating.
But I have heard of guys using smaller gauge needles, and pinning delts exclusively (TRT doses) with no problems.

 

[rdm]

Thanks man, yeah I do need be better better at rotating.
But I have heard of guys using smaller gauge needles, and pinning delts exclusively (TRT doses) with no problems.

You're not doing TRT doses though. You're running a cycle. You can definitely just use delts for 4ml of gear. You will build up scar tissue quick though and that's what you were trying to avoid.

 

[BeginnerUser]

You're not doing TRT doses though. You're running a cycle. You can definitely just use delts for 4ml of gear. You will build up scar tissue quick though and that's what you were trying to avoid.

I agree with you, and whenever I add primo I don’t plan on blasting solely delts with 4ml of oil weekly. I’ll definitely be rotating between glutes vgs and delts.

 

[Meetketchup]

Responding to the few posts regarding my Primo/Deca or Primo/Tren.

I also cringed at the thought of not using a test base and fought it for years, I basically keep lowering and lowering the test, until through bloodwork and experimentation...I realized I just didn't need it.

One of the best things about Primo is what it does to your free test levels. Shoots up, so when you introduce a stronger anabolic building agent such as Deca or Tren, it amplifies the effects of those compounds, which allows you to run less gear and thus less sides. Also, I normally have high estrogen levels and the primo acts as a built in AI. That along with something like deca, which converts to only 20% that of testosterone has me on the low side of normal without any need of an AI.

I didn't see any negative change in sexual desire or performance when switching from Test to Primo. Bothering the wife ALL the time, especially in prep when I swap out the Deca for Tren. lol Mentally I feel much better in general since dropping the test and physically it has really made a huge difference. It's constant lean gains (of course it's diet as well) and don't ever hold much water or bloat.

After countless tweaking, the sweet spot for me with Primo is 600mg and Deca around 300mg. I will sometimes up the Deca for off-season, but Primo stays constant.

Again, I'm not advocating this for anyone as I've learned through my bloodwork and experimentation through the years. As we all know, a lot of the stuff you hear in forums is complete nonsense so try new things based on evidence and reason and you'll figure out what works best for you. I'm in my 40's now so having all my bloods in a good place and still dabble in gear is minimizing my risks.

 

[j2048b]

Always used test with Primo, but bloods were always off. Kept tweaking until I found it was test that was causing estrogen and other blood work markers to be off. Now I run Primo and in off-season will add Deca at 1/2 dosage of primo dosage and bloodwork is spot on. Might not be popular by most, but works perfectly for me. I have zero sides and no estrogen issues, which allows me to be AI free.

Damn so no test at all? Ive heard of running primo only with deca and dbol etc…. How are ur test levels? Toss in some anavar and dbol small dosages and ur test might actually go up as anavar allows ur shgb/free test to rise….


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[BBruce]

Thanks for all the responses! I’ll just have to wait and see what the blood work looks like.

Side note, what’s the max you guys will inject into your delts at a time typically? It’s gonna suck going from 1.2ml a week to 4.2ml a week adding in primo.

I done 3cc in 1 shot in my delts without any issues. I rotate delt/delt/glute/glute.

 

[Meetketchup]

Damn so no test at all? Ive heard of running primo only with deca and dbol etc…. How are ur test levels? Toss in some anavar and dbol small dosages and ur test might actually go up as anavar allows ur shgb/free test to rise….


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I give my use of anavar a few posts up.

 

[BeginnerUser]

30g's are just a tad too small for me. The smallest I'll go is 29g's and heat up the syringe with some hot water for a smoother injection. As the great post above stated, rotating sites makes a huge difference, especially if you're not a monster.

Bro, i just pinned .6 ml with my 30G for the first time… That shit took so god damn long. Probably stood there for a solid 45 seconds trying to gorilla grip my tiny 1ML syringe as gently as possible

 

[BeginnerUser]

30g's are just a tad too small for me. The smallest I'll go is 29g's and heat up the syringe with some hot water for a smoother injection. As the great post above stated, rotating sites makes a huge difference, especially if you're not a monster.

How long do you run hot water over the syringe usually?

 

[Meetketchup]

How long do you run hot water over the syringe usually?

A good 30-45 seconds or so. Be careful not to get it too hot as it's it's oil and will burn. lol

I have no problem pinning with 29g's as long as I do this...just need to go slow and constant pressure.

 

[BBruce]

I have no idea how you guys use anything smaller than 25g?? 25g is annoying to use as it is