What steroids will cause smallest increase in RBC count ?

[NewUser1]

Hello to everyone,

Recently, I was diagnosed with secondary idiopathic hypogonadism which means that my testosterone level is 6 nmol/L or 170 ng/dL which is a level typical for 90-year-old men, and I am 36.

Unfortunately, I have a few other health issues, and one of them is Familial erythrocytes which means that I have a hematocrit of 0.52 even without taking testosterone and because of that my doctor told me he can't put me on TRT.

Usually, standard TRT therapy in the state where I live is testosterone undecanoate, so I would like to know from steroid experts on this forum: are there any steroids that have a smaller impact on RBC count than testosterone undecanoate would have? I read somewhere that Equipoise is neutral on RBC, but that thing is usually given to horses, so it's very unlikely that a doctor would prescribe that. Any suggestions are welcome!

 

[Glycomann]

I don't know if there is an answer. Best thing is probably to work with your doctor. You may end up with a TRT that gets you into mid-normal range, which would be a huge benefit for you I would guess. Nattokinase helps keep Hct down for some but I have no idea if that would work in your condition. As an aside, people living at altitude generally on average have Hct at 55-56%. So you might have a little room if your doc can help you figure it out.

 

[Doncoyote]

52 isn't very high, maybe try hydrating well and getting another blood test. My level will drop from 52 to 45 just from hydrating well.

 

[JC33]

Hello to everyone,

Recently, I was diagnosed with secondary idiopathic hypogonadism which means that my testosterone level is 6 nmol/L or 170 ng/dL which is a level typical for 90-year-old men, and I am 36.

Unfortunately, I have a few other health issues, and one of them is Familial erythrocytes which means that I have a hematocrit of 0.52 even without taking testosterone and because of that my doctor told me he can't put me on TRT.

Usually, standard TRT therapy in the state where I live is testosterone undecanoate, so I would like to know from steroid experts on this forum: are there any steroids that have a smaller impact on RBC count than testosterone undecanoate would have? I read somewhere that Equipoise is neutral on RBC, but that thing is usually given to horses, so it's very unlikely that a doctor would prescribe that. Any suggestions are welcome!

My bloodwork dehydrated vs hydrated. Labs pulled 8 hours apart.

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[chadmack]

Nattokinase & lots of water could make a big difference, worth a shot.

 

[Valdosta]

im not sure which ones impact it the least, but anadrol and deca have impacted it the most for me

Elevated Dihydrotestosterone is Associated with Testosterone-Induced Erythrocytosis - PMC

Erythrocytosis is the most common dose-limiting adverse effect of testosterone therapy (TTh), but the mechanisms of T-mediated erythropoiesis remain unclear. In this study, we examine risk factors for erythrocytosis associated with TTh. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Testosterone Induces Erythrocytosis via Increased Erythropoietin and Suppressed Hepcidin: Evidence for a New Erythropoietin/Hemoglobin Set Point - PMC

The mechanisms by which testosterone increases hemoglobin and hematocrit remain unclear. We assessed the hormonal and hematologic responses to testosterone administration in a clinical trial in which older men with mobility limitation were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

first study shows 5-6% increase in hct through increasing dht. second shows 7-10% by increasing test. in a brief read I didnt see any dosages listed though, but I think these were both therapeutic doses. So maybe something like mast or primo would be your best bet? I also personally havent noticed as high of an hct problem while blasting mast as I have blasting test.

 

[Wardamn]

Mast

 

[Wardamn]

im not sure which ones impact it the least, but anadrol and deca have impacted it the most for me

Elevated Dihydrotestosterone is Associated with Testosterone-Induced Erythrocytosis - PMC

Erythrocytosis is the most common dose-limiting adverse effect of testosterone therapy (TTh), but the mechanisms of T-mediated erythropoiesis remain unclear. In this study, we examine risk factors for erythrocytosis associated with TTh. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Testosterone Induces Erythrocytosis via Increased Erythropoietin and Suppressed Hepcidin: Evidence for a New Erythropoietin/Hemoglobin Set Point - PMC

The mechanisms by which testosterone increases hemoglobin and hematocrit remain unclear. We assessed the hormonal and hematologic responses to testosterone administration in a clinical trial in which older men with mobility limitation were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

first study shows 5-6% increase in hct through increasing dht. second shows 7-10% by increasing test. in a brief read I didnt see any dosages listed though, but I think these were both therapeutic doses. So maybe something like mast or primo would be your best bet? I also personally havent noticed as high of an hct problem while blasting mast as I have blasting test.

Mast, yes

Primo, No

 

[hogan86]

I`d rather have a normal test level of 7-800 and take any possible health issues rather than live and feel like a 90 year man! At that level, you donate regularly, take your iron supps, you will be fine.

 

[Xan]

Hello to everyone,

Recently, I was diagnosed with secondary idiopathic hypogonadism which means that my testosterone level is 6 nmol/L or 170 ng/dL which is a level typical for 90-year-old men, and I am 36.

Unfortunately, I have a few other health issues, and one of them is Familial erythrocytes which means that I have a hematocrit of 0.52 even without taking testosterone and because of that my doctor told me he can't put me on TRT.

Usually, standard TRT therapy in the state where I live is testosterone undecanoate, so I would like to know from steroid experts on this forum: are there any steroids that have a smaller impact on RBC count than testosterone undecanoate would have? I read somewhere that Equipoise is neutral on RBC, but that thing is usually given to horses, so it's very unlikely that a doctor would prescribe that. Any suggestions are welcome!

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Yeah, go donate blood and see your doc again.

Maybe you can get a script, have insurance pay for it and your labs.