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[heckler7]

whats interesting in Milford reads exactly how the left says the right is and Hoyle reads exactly how right says the left is. both are not budging from their side. So my question is how do you view yourself, do you feel you or moderate or far leaning

 

[Milford King]

My opinion on this topic is based on observable reality, logic and life experience.

Everyone should be afforded to live in peace amongst who ever we choose. And the only people who are ever targeted with lawfare when they try are where people.

You can have Indian, Jewish, black and even faggot pride… but are vilified completely if you just murmur white pride.

Your entire livelyhood and personal safety is threatened if you ever go against the holy leftist doctrine of “WHITE MAN BAD”.

Yet those of us being pushed further into this “radical” ideology of putting ourselves, our family’s and our children first and defending ourselves are labeled the violent ones.

So I guess , white western boy, it’s either stand up against those who hate you…. Or die.

Basic logic, not me violently threatening anyone.

 

[Milford King]

whats interesting in Milford reads exactly how the left says the right is and Hoyle reads exactly how right says the left is. both are not budging from their side. So my question is how do you view yourself, do you feel you or moderate or far leaning

I am an ethno nationalist, which is universally common in all of history as a moderate position.

It is, however, radical because my ethnicity is “white” (a generic term that covers alot of sub races I admit, but we all know who is white and who isn’t so any elementary argument will be dismissed).

Only communists like to destroy nationhood based on ethnicity. And secular jews for some weird reason when it comes to white unity…. Their buttholes tighten up a bit.

 

[hoyle21]

whats interesting in Milford reads exactly how the left says the right is and Hoyle reads exactly how right says the left is. both are not budging from their side. So my question is how do you view yourself, do you feel you or moderate or far leaning

I don’t fit neatly into “left” or “right”; my positions depend on the issue and the evidence. But I don’t think this is a symmetrical disagreement. I’m challenging Milford’s own statements about racial separation, “disinfecting” ideologies, bloodshed, and making Hitler look like Santa Claus. I’m willing to reconsider factual claims, but I’m not going to “budge” toward white nationalism just to appear moderate. Rejecting extremism isn’t itself extremism.


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[hoyle21]

I am an ethno nationalist, which is universally common in all of history as a moderate position.

It is, however, radical because my ethnicity is “white” (a generic term that covers alot of sub races I admit, but we all know who is white and who isn’t so any elementary argument will be dismissed).

Only communists like to destroy nationhood based on ethnicity. And secular jews for some weird reason when it comes to white unity…. Their buttholes tighten up a bit.

“Historically common” does not mean moderate or defensible, conquest, monarchy, and slavery were historically common too. “White” is a broad racial category, not a single ethnicity, and civic nationhood is not a communist invention. Then you immediately single out Jews as the enemy of “white unity,” confirming the ethnic scapegoating at the center of your ideology. You answered the question: you are not moderate; you are an explicitly white ethnonationalist with openly antisemitic beliefs.


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[Milford King]

I don’t fit neatly into “left” or “right”; my positions depend on the issue and the evidence. But I don’t think this is a symmetrical disagreement. I’m challenging Milford’s own statements about racial separation, “disinfecting” ideologies, bloodshed, and making Hitler look like Santa Claus. I’m willing to reconsider factual claims, but I’m not going to “budge” toward white nationalism just to appear moderate. Rejecting extremism isn’t itself extremism.


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The white nationalism you are seeing is a direct result in white vilification, historical revisionism and communist sympathizers that comes almost entirely from the left and more specifically from secular Jews like schiff, raskins, Schumer etc.. if we were to have true representation of the population in our politics there would be far less secular Jews in the Democratic Party. White nationalism is a boogey-man made up almost entirely by money laundering NGOs like the SPLC and ADL. As recently proven. You need this boogey man to cause racial division and fear in both sides of the political spectrum. A classic “playing both sides of every war” trope.

Fighting communism does NOT automatically make me an extremist. Communism is the extremist position.

 

[Milford King]

“Historically common” does not mean moderate or defensible, conquest, monarchy, and slavery were historically common too. “White” is a broad racial category, not a single ethnicity, and civic nationhood is not a communist invention. Then you immediately single out Jews as the enemy of “white unity,” confirming the ethnic scapegoating at the center of your ideology. You answered the question: you are not moderate; you are an explicitly white ethnonationalist with openly antisemitic beliefs.


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I have no problem with Jews as an ethnic or religious identity. I am pro Israel.

I do not think they should be able to promote anti white rhetoric and push multicultural slop and “diversity” at the cost of societal cohesion within a country that does not belong to them.

The USA is not an economic zone. It’s a nation of a founding stock. And my push back is just that, a push back, defensive in nature.

 

[dirtdevil84]

whats interesting in Milford reads exactly how the left says the right is and Hoyle reads exactly how right says the left is. both are not budging from their side. So my question is how do you view yourself, do you feel you or moderate or far leaning

That's just another label to polarize against.

If we stopped doing that Hoyle and Milford wouldn't give 2 shits about each other

 

[Milford King]

The noticing shall continue until morale improves. I do not hate Jews nor do I hate Muslims or blacks or Asians or any other ethnic group.

I just love my people as a whole. The collective history of my people and I’m tired of seeing anti white bullshit spread by people and unfortunately it’s pretty easy to see that the majority of “white people” behind this anti white, white colonialism is bad, pro communist agenda just happen to be of a certain characteristic.

 

[hoyle21]

I have no problem with Jews as an ethnic or religious identity. I am pro Israel.

I do not think they should be able to promote anti white rhetoric and push multicultural slop and “diversity” at the cost of societal cohesion within a country that does not belong to them.

The USA is not an economic zone. It’s a nation of a founding stock. And my push back is just that, a push back, defensive in nature.

E pluribus unum


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[Milford King]

Hoyle, by the way, is an Anglo Saxon/English surname.

Hoyle, when villify Israel’s form of nationalism, stated that he could talk shit about Zionism because he himself is Jewish.

I don’t know either way, nor do I care.

Hoyle is a nurse in Michigan who does nothing but vilify right/conservative/Republican leaning politics on a steroid board.

Am I being hypocritical? Probably… but I’ve tried running logs on here before and have participated in this forum in non political ways. Hoyle does no such thing.

He’s merely an antagonist for every political position heavyiron takes on any given topic.

Maybe I could tone down my rhetoric but I don’t see why I should when I’m merely stating the obvious . I’m not saying I want to kill anyone nor am I saying I want a civil war or a race war to break out. I’m saying …. Someone or something pulling the strings out here in reality sure seems to want one..

 

[hoyle21]

I have no problem with Jews as an ethnic or religious identity. I am pro Israel.

I do not think they should be able to promote anti white rhetoric and push multicultural slop and “diversity” at the cost of societal cohesion within a country that does not belong to them.

The USA is not an economic zone. It’s a nation of a founding stock. And my push back is just that, a push back, defensive in nature.

E pluribus unum


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[hoyle21]

Hoyle, by the way, is an Anglo Saxon/English surname.

Hoyle, when villify Israel’s form of nationalism, stated that he could talk shit about Zionism because he himself is Jewish.

I don’t know either way, nor do I care.

Hoyle is a nurse in Michigan who does nothing but vilify right/conservative/Republican leaning politics on a steroid board.

Am I being hypocritical? Probably… but I’ve tried running logs on here before and have participated in this forum in non political ways. Hoyle does no such thing.

He’s merely an antagonist for every political position heavyiron takes on any given topic.

Maybe I could tone down my rhetoric but I don’t see why I should when I’m merely stating the obvious . I’m not saying I want to kill anyone nor am I saying I want a civil war or a race war to break out. I’m saying …. Someone or something pulling the strings out here in reality sure seems to want one..

To be fair, to both of us, this board is pretty repetitive and boring outside of this sub. It’s mostly (the last time I looked anyway) 20 year old kids looking for cycle advice, when they’d all be much further ahead with better diet and improved training, but none of them want to hear that.


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[heavyiron]

 

[oldbull]

There was a time when I was an angry young man that I would have agreed with most of what Milford King had to say.

Eventually, I came to the conclusion that attitude wasn’t compatible with Christianity and have tried to change.

That said, I can understand the anger at the double-standards that he mentions.

Mainstream culture basically does expect people to apologize for being white, and white people are the only ethnicity that it is considered acceptable to stereotype and paint with a broad brush.

But I don’t think that level of vitriol is necessary. The fact is that most people of all religions and ethnicities just want to go about their lives and be left alone.

As long as we aren’t stirred to violent passions against each other, people typically prefer to live in peace.

The attitude of: “either you totally agree with me, or you are the enemy” tends to be isolating rather than persuasive.

For example, I doubt even most people in the Trump administration would agree with the sentiment of making Hitler look like Santa Claus, etc.

But I doubt you’ll find a politician who represents your views more effectively — at least not one who can win elections.

Declaring anyone an enemy unless they agree on every single point is more likely to alienate people who may be like-minded in many other ways.

I disagree with Hoyle about the threat posed by Islam but ultimately people have different frames of reference that influence their opinions. It’s not a reason to get angry at them — I actually like when people disagree with me, as it gives me the opportunity to argue. It would be boring if everyone just sat around agreeing with each other….

 

[Milford King]

There was a time when I was an angry young man that I would have agreed with most of what Milford King had to say.

Eventually, I came to the conclusion that attitude wasn’t compatible with Christianity and have tried to change.

That said, I can understand the anger at the double-standards that he mentions.

Mainstream culture basically does expect people to apologize for being white, and white people are the only ethnicity that it is considered acceptable to stereotype and paint with a broad brush.

But I don’t think that level of vitriol is necessary. The fact is that most people of all religions and ethnicities just want to go about their lives and be left alone.

As long as we aren’t stirred to violent passions against each other, people typically prefer to live in peace.

The attitude of: “either you totally agree with me, or you are the enemy” tends to be isolating rather than persuasive.

For example, I doubt even most people in the Trump administration would agree with the sentiment of making Hitler look like Santa Claus, etc.

But I doubt you’ll find a politician who represents your views more effectively — at least not one who can win elections.

Declaring anyone an enemy unless they agree on every single point is more likely to alienate people who may be like-minded in many other ways.

I disagree with Hoyle about the threat posed by Islam but ultimately people have different frames of reference that influence their opinions. It’s not a reason to get angry at them — I actually like when people disagree with me, as it gives me the opportunity to argue. It would be boring if everyone just sat around agreeing with each other….

You and Hoyle have no children.

That’s a big factor to being able to sit idly by knowing that your children will not just be a minority but a HATED minority in a country founded and built by their ancestors… all due to greedy sell outs, subversive enemies and inbred barbarians who worship a backwards political ideology masquerading as religion.

All you have to do is look through history to see exactly what Islam is and what it does. There are no good Muslims because the theology itself is an exercise of vanity conjured up by an illiterate warlords to hide his insecurities while justifying rape and plunder. It is for retards by retards. I have zero respect for it and it should be treated like the mind virus it is.

The true history of white people as a collective is a history of great perseverance in the face of great persecution. The history most people have been taught is one sided bias and straight to fabrication. Any nuances that could possibly favor and successes white colonialism had has been purposefully omitted. White people as a collective have been targeted repeatedly for the last century. Any light that shines on the wrongful deeds of any non white race or civilization either completely ignored or fabricated to pass blame on whatever group that can pass as white.

What happens when the next generation of white men wake up and realize that the world their ancestors built benefits everyone but them?

I know you know the answer to this.

 

[Milford King]

I also want to explain to anyone who wants to listen…

In my studies of classical history… there was never such a wide gap of culture and even race in the ancient near East until the arrival of Islam in the late 7th century AD. Islam is a political ideology centered around conquest and expansion. Christianity was 700 years old at the time islam was invented and was never about conquest or forced assimilation until after islam had conquered North Africa and the Middle East. Every instance of “Christian aggression” was very literally kickstarted as defense from islam aggression.

I’m not saying there wasn’t war. But it was never war between two diametrically opposing political and religious forces. The Arabs were never in that part of the world until islam. They were mostly nomadic tribes fighting eachother in Arabian peninsula. The ancient history of Greece and Rome and Persia … those were all white people. And yeah, all 3 of those empires had fucked up shit going on in their societies which is directly related to the spread of Christianity itself (exception being Persia didn’t become a Christian majority nation).

It would really behoove you all to study classics and get a real understanding of what is going on in our own civilization at this moment in time. It’s very clear to those of us who have done this and it’ll help you understand the underlying forces that are making this era in our own civilization seem so eerie and strange.

There truly is nothing new under the sun. And you really have been lied to about humanity in general.

 

[Bando]

I am so w this oòooooòìioi.gghby

I also want to explain to anyone who wants to listen…

In my studies of classical history… there was never such a wide gap of culture and even race in the ancient near East until the arrival of Islam in the late 7th century AD. Islam is a political ideology centered around conquest and expansion. Christianity was 700 years old at the time islam was invented and was never about conquest or forced assimilation until after islam had conquered North Africa and the Middle East. Every instance of “Christian aggression” was very literally kickstarted as defense from islam aggression.

I’m not saying there wasn’t war. But it was never war between two diametrically opposing political and religious forces. The Arabs were never in that part of the world until islam. They were mostly nomadic tribes fighting eachother in Arabian peninsula. The ancient history of Greece and Rome and Persia … those were all white people. And yeah, all 3 of those empires had fucked up shit going on in their societies which is directly related to the spread of Christianity itself (exception being Persia didn’t become a Christian majority nation).

It would really behoove you all to study classics and get a real understanding of what is going on in our own civilization at this moment in time. It’s very clear to those of us who have done this and it’ll help you understand the underlying forces that are making this era in our own civilization seem so eerie and strange.

There truly is nothing new under the sun. And you really have been lied to about humanity in general.

its so easy for anyone with eyes to see it too. I think people just don’t want to acknowledge what they know to be true. And those people are called idiots. And far worse by me. Their justification for allowing this clear attempted, total takeover of the world by islam is basically the same as them leaving their house's front door wide open with a sign saying “Welcome in those that want to murder me and my entire family! We’d love to have you!”

Just a bunch of ass clowns walking in mindless droves to their own slaughterhouses.

 

[Skud008]

You know... F it, it's not worth it. Y'all have fun.

 

[oldbull]

I also want to explain to anyone who wants to listen…

In my studies of classical history… there was never such a wide gap of culture and even race in the ancient near East until the arrival of Islam in the late 7th century AD. Islam is a political ideology centered around conquest and expansion. Christianity was 700 years old at the time islam was invented and was never about conquest or forced assimilation until after islam had conquered North Africa and the Middle East. Every instance of “Christian aggression” was very literally kickstarted as defense from islam aggression.

I’m not saying there wasn’t war. But it was never war between two diametrically opposing political and religious forces. The Arabs were never in that part of the world until islam. They were mostly nomadic tribes fighting eachother in Arabian peninsula. The ancient history of Greece and Rome and Persia … those were all white people. And yeah, all 3 of those empires had fucked up shit going on in their societies which is directly related to the spread of Christianity itself (exception being Persia didn’t become a Christian majority nation).

It would really behoove you all to study classics and get a real understanding of what is going on in our own civilization at this moment in time. It’s very clear to those of us who have done this and it’ll help you understand the underlying forces that are making this era in our own civilization seem so eerie and strange.

There truly is nothing new under the sun. And you really have been lied to about humanity in general.

I don’t disagree that Islam is a poison ideology. And I don’t doubt that we are engaged in a civilizational conflict with Islam that isn’t going to end anytime soon.

But I do think we need to be care distinguish between Islam and a shitload of people who were just born into it. We can decide to discourage or exclude them from this country on a rational basis.

Once we get into hating them, though, that goes against the precepts of our own religion. I am not telling you what to do. If you want to hate them, that’s your prerogative.

But I do believe there are strong foundations for why Christianity tells us not to be motivated by hatred. It’s too fundamental to our religion to disregard.

 

[Milford King]

I don’t disagree that Islam is a poison ideology. And I don’t doubt that we are engaged in a civilizational conflict with Islam that isn’t going to end anytime soon.

But I do think we need to be care distinguish between Islam and a shitload of people who were just born into it. We can decide to discourage or exclude them from this country on a rational basis.

Once we get into hating them, though, that goes against the precepts of our own religion. I am not telling you what to do. If you want to hate them, that’s your prerogative.

But I do believe there are strong foundations for why Christianity tells us not to be motivated by hatred. It’s too fundamental to our religion to disregard.

For every negative that can be pulled from Christianity there is a negative of a pre-Christian society. So yes, blind rage and hatred toward any one thing without fully understanding it is not a good thing and usually rewards the perpetrator of that hate with tragedy and sorrow. I do believe in a creator force and I do believe in the mysteries and life of yesuah however most Christian’s would call me a heretic and excommunicate me for my personal beliefs. Therefore, doormat Christianity and the opines of those Christian’s or atheist who call me a bad Christian or a fake Christian have zero impact on who I see myself as.

Those born into and forced into something as abhorrent and illogical as Islam need only to disavow it and move on from its retarded understanding of the world. Very simple.

In defense of the Christian world and all the mistakes it might have made from its inception…. For every vile aggressive act being blamed on the theology itself, cannot be found just in the book itself (the Torah has indeed depictions of genocide at the command of God however to expunge evil isn’t necessarily evil itself and I’m not convinced the Christian God is the same as the Judaic God at this point anyway.)

I’ll give you an example of what I mean. A lot of people misunderstand that a handmaids tale was a jab at protestant Christian’s for their harsh world view on a woman’s place in this world… but that story entails more about life under modern sharia law. However, early Christian’s did come down pretty hard on women… but if we look at the Greek and Roman religions clearly their reverence towards young freshly fertile girls led to many depravities. Such as hordes of teenage girls perusing the streets in search of men they could inject with snake venom upon which after paralyzing them they’d drag him into their halls and force him to drink a wine/drug concoction that would keep him aroused while they raped him and sodomized him. This typically led to them castrating him and feasting on his genitalia before killing him. That shit was happening and it’s well documented in Ancient Greek texts.

There is also some very interesting things different early Christian sects we’re doing involving drugs and children. This is also found in Ancient Greek texts. Most of that is likely pagans co-opting the newly formed Christian faith as well as bad characters using ideology for personal gain like cults do today.

 

[oldbull]

For every negative that can be pulled from Christianity there is a negative of a pre-Christian society. So yes, blind rage and hatred toward any one thing without fully understanding it is not a good thing and usually rewards the perpetrator of that hate with tragedy and sorrow. I do believe in a creator force and I do believe in the mysteries and life of yesuah however most Christian’s would call me a heretic and excommunicate me for my personal beliefs. Therefore, doormat Christianity and the opines of those Christian’s or atheist who call me a bad Christian or a fake Christian have zero impact on who I see myself as.

Those born into and forced into something as abhorrent and illogical as Islam need only to disavow it and move on from its retarded understanding of the world. Very simple.

In defense of the Christian world and all the mistakes it might have made from its inception…. For every vile aggressive act being blamed on the theology itself, cannot be found just in the book itself (the Torah has indeed depictions of genocide at the command of God however to expunge evil isn’t necessarily evil itself and I’m not convinced the Christian God is the same as the Judaic God at this point anyway.)

I’ll give you an example of what I mean. A lot of people misunderstand that a handmaids tale was a jab at protestant Christian’s for their harsh world view on a woman’s place in this world… but that story entails more about life under modern sharia law. However, early Christian’s did come down pretty hard on women… but if we look at the Greek and Roman religions clearly their reverence towards young freshly fertile girls led to many depravities. Such as hordes of teenage girls perusing the streets in search of men they could inject with snake venom upon which after paralyzing them they’d drag him into their halls and force him to drink a wine/drug concoction that would keep him aroused while they raped him and sodomized him. This typically led to them castrating him and feasting on his genitalia before killing him. That shit was happening and it’s well documented in Ancient Greek texts.

There is also some very interesting things different early Christian sects we’re doing involving drugs and children. This is also found in Ancient Greek texts. Most of that is likely pagans co-opting the newly formed Christian faith as well as bad characters using ideology for personal gain like cults do today.

I ask you the following question because I am legitimately curious about your answer, rather than to needle you or prove some kind of point:

As someone who recognizes the grave threat posed by Islam, and who has also said he supports Trump, does it bother you how cozy he is with the Saudis and Qataris and that whole crowd?

My sense is that not just Trump but all US politicians have been blinding themselves to the long-term danger due to the short-term convenience or expediency.

 

[heckler7]

I ask you the following question because I am legitimately curious about your answer, rather than to needle you or prove some kind of point:

As someone who recognizes the grave threat posed by Islam, and who has also said he supports Trump, does it bother you how cozy he is with the Saudis and Qataris and that whole crowd?

My sense is that not just Trump but all US politicians have been blinding themselves to the long-term danger due to the short-term convenience or expediency.

its possible this was a psyop, americans usually have a neutral mentality and voted for trump to oppose new wars, bringing in all these outsiders and letting them commit crimes against us is kinda stirring up a lot of new anti islam sentiment, which just makes it easier for us to bomb and invade their countries, because we start to hate them here its kinda like like them and the country they came from

 

[Milford King]

I ask you the following question because I am legitimately curious about your answer, rather than to needle you or prove some kind of point:

As someone who recognizes the grave threat posed by Islam, and who has also said he supports Trump, does it bother you how cozy he is with the Saudis and Qataris and that whole crowd?

My sense is that not just Trump but all US politicians have been blinding themselves to the long-term danger due to the short-term convenience or expediency.

I don’t support trump. Trump was merely “the enemy of my enemy”. I don’t hate him like all the cool kid wannabes do but I don’t get my hopes up. Every nation seems to go through very similar cycles, since the first established civilization.

Obviously the oligarchal relationship is something to be feared by the non-members of royalty of any given population of every civilization. The democrat party is just as much part of the royalty as the Republican, in fact, trump was/is a democrat. They are two wings of the same ruling class. Nothing more than entertainers who wine and dine after hours together while we are all left with the wars they create amongst us.

I was a Ross Perot fan when I was a teenager and I was a Ron Paul fan as an adult but I don’t see any man or woman as a hero coming to save us. We will die out as a civilization just like every other civilization has and for the exact same reasons.

I just wish to prove myself and history wrong and believe the best chance every nation has at that is isolationism and to have that you need ethnicity based nations that can establish enough respect to work together (yet separate) to keep trade routes intact without the need for conquest. I understand this is a pipe dream due to human nature.

War is peace. That sounds stupid but it’s the truth.

 

[Milford King]

its possible this was a psyop, americans usually have a neutral mentality and voted for trump to oppose new wars, bringing in all these outsiders and letting them commit crimes against us is kinda stirring up a lot of new anti islam sentiment, which just makes it easier for us to bomb and invade their countries, because we start to hate them here its kinda like like them and the country they came from

Why would these other nations agree to offload their people to our nation knowing once enough American daughters get raped and slaughtered that freedom will ring and democracy will be spread upon them?

Our people have a mind virus due to how easy their lives really are. They don’t have a clue how the real world operates.

The oligarchs of all countries are playing for the same team. We are merely collateral damage. All wars are pretty much meaningless at this point. Unless the goal is to reduce populations.

 

[oldbull]

I don’t support trump. Trump was merely “the enemy of my enemy”. I don’t hate him like all the cool kid wannabes do but I don’t get my hopes up. Every nation seems to go through very similar cycles, since the first established civilization.

Obviously the oligarchal relationship is something to be feared by the non-members of royalty of any given population of every civilization. The democrat party is just as much part of the royalty as the Republican, in fact, trump was/is a democrat. They are two wings of the same ruling class. Nothing more than entertainers who wine and dine after hours together while we are all left with the wars they create amongst us.

I was a Ross Perot fan when I was a teenager and I was a Ron Paul fan as an adult but I don’t see any man or woman as a hero coming to save us. We will die out as a civilization just like every other civilization has and for the exact same reasons.

I just wish to prove myself and history wrong and believe the best chance every nation has at that is isolationism and to have that you need ethnicity based nations that can establish enough respect to work together (yet separate) to keep trade routes intact without the need for conquest. I understand this is a pipe dream due to human nature.

War is peace. That sounds stupid but it’s the truth.

The danger of cozying up to these Islamic states is that they are extremely two-faced.

And the perverse part of it is, we knew that they supported terrorism to basically mollify the equivalent of their right wing. But that didn’t seem to matter.

A lot of people would say that’s because of oil, and that’s certainly part of it, but I think it’s even more insidious.

The Saudi and Qatari money that comes from the oil buys a lot of “friends” within our own system who turn a blind eye to terrorism and other things because they’re effectively paid off.

Meanwhile our “alliances” with these Islamic monarchies will mean jack shit when the chips are down.

I don’t disagree that civilizations are cyclical and empires all eventually fall. Nor do I disagree that the U.S. is on the down cycle. But it’s probably going to take a lot longer than our lifetimes. The dollar is still the world’s reserve currency and our military still inspires fear, diminished as it is.

However, I could easily be proven wrong if our massive debt triggers the kind of global financial crisis that renders the dollar into toilet paper. And that is not beyond possibility.

 

[Big Puppy]

But it’s probably going to take a lot longer than our lifetimes.

man i wish you were right.
All civilizations die as they get more liberal. Every one of them. They all fall when they start the massive sexualization of children, including gender mutilation. We are past that point. God will continue to take away our freedoms as we fall into sexual sin

 

[dirtdevil84]

God will continue to take away our freedoms as we fall into sexual sin

Says the "Sex addict".

 

[Bando]

You know... F it, it's not worth it. Y'all have fun.

Just welcome your new, Muslim overlords and move on, dawg. This the grown up table where we use our eyes and brains to assess threats and survive generations despite having one hand tied behind our backs because we have to babysit sit you insane liberals that wanna let people that hate and want to murder us just come on in the our communities lol.

Y’all just gotta be a lil smarter and i think we might survive another generation or two before being outbred and outnumbered to the point it doesn’t matter anymore anyways. Maybe yall can just hide somewhere for a decade while the grownups handle things. At least that should give me enough time to remain free until I meet my natural demise in another 40-45 years.

 

[oldbull]

man i wish you were right.
All civilizations die as they get more liberal. Every one of them. They all fall when they start the massive sexualization of children, including gender mutilation. We are past that point. God will continue to take away our freedoms as we fall into sexual sin

Arguably though we are sexualizing children less than in the past. Seems like that has really gotten on people’s radar and there’s basically no tolerance for it anymore.

Based on genetic tests, it appears incest was far more common in the past within nuclear families, typically father/daughter. The issue was just swept under the rug, whereas now it is more openly acknowledged, so it may seem like the problem has gotten worse.

The weird transsexual stuff is obviously an exception to that. But I’d argue that it largely afflicts a small minority of misguided liberals in big cities. It’s not a mainstream problem, at least out here in the sticks.

Guys used to basically brag about banging underage girls. I seem to recall the guy from Aerosmith admitting to having a 13 year old girlfriend on the road in his autobiography. It wasn’t considered as unspeakable then as it is now, which would indicate we may have improved in that sense.

I’m not trying to be pollyannaish, but civilizational collapse tends to be a confluence of multiple interrelated factors. Yes, increasingly liberal societies tend to degenerate.

Similar things have happened to hypermasculine societies that have qualities we would consider right wing nowadays, such as valuing conquest. Look at what happened to Genghis Khan’s empire. It basically just petered out despite one of the largest military conquests in history.

Again, not saying I am actually optimistic about the future of Western society. But we’ve built up such a globally dominant and sophisticated economy that it isn’t likely to just fall apart overnight.

Of course it COULD, and if it does, it’s more likely to be caused by our stratospheric levels of debt rather than any cultural issues…