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Trying to conceive on trt. Help

Bigbadwolf04

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So 34 years old. My wife and I are trying for our second kid. No luck as of yet. We have a 2 year old and I did not use hcg or come off trt and it happened first try.

I started using hcg along with my trt at 500iu a week. I messaged my clinic and they sent me this. Is this a good plan or anyone else have recommendations.1000008239.png
 
This is long term plan so 4 weeks or 15 days (whatever they are saying) makes little sense.
You need HCG. You need HMG. HCG dosages can kinda vary. I know some guys come out hot and do something like 1000iu 3x a week then back off after 4 weeks...just lowering dosage to something like 500iu HCG. Then HMG at like 75iu 3x a week. That willl work. Bostin Lloyd's protocol was very similar, Palumbo's is too.
 
This is long term plan so 4 weeks or 15 days (whatever they are saying) makes little sense.
You need HCG. You need HMG. HCG dosages can kinda vary. I know some guys come out hot and do something like 1000iu 3x a week then back off after 4 weeks...just lowering dosage to something like 500iu HCG. Then HMG at like 75iu 3x a week. That willl work. Bostin Lloyd's protocol was very similar, Palumbo's is too.
This and there’s also a coach dom supersliced who is extremely knowledgeable and does fertility protocols and has helped someone I know have children. Might be worth reaching out and getting In contact with him. Again he’s very knowledgeable and knows his shit I’d trust him over clinics and doctors
 
This is long term plan so 4 weeks or 15 days (whatever they are saying) makes little sense.
You need HCG. You need HMG. HCG dosages can kinda vary. I know some guys come out hot and do something like 1000iu 3x a week then back off after 4 weeks...just lowering dosage to something like 500iu HCG. Then HMG at like 75iu 3x a week. That willl work. Bostin Lloyd's protocol was very similar, Palumbo's is too.
Thanks man so continue hcg 500 iu a week?
 
Yeah, the plan looks fine. HCG usually helps when you are on TRT and trying to have a kid. Just follow what your clinic gave you and give it some time to work.
 
Best to stick with what your clinic recommends, bro. Fertility’s individual, so let them guide you.
 
Thanks man so continue hcg 500 iu a week?
Yes. But I cannot stress this enough, u NEED HMG. It’s honestly a must. I did this exact same protocol 3 years ago and it gave me a daughter. Hmg is the game changer. Can hcg alone work? Yes, but I’ve seen the greatest amount of successes with the hcg+hmg combo. I’ve never known a guy running gear to become infertile, but that combo can get the boys going 100% of the time.
 
Sounds like a decent plan and 500 IU a week is pretty normal i do follow what the clinic said and check labs soon to see how your body reacts.
 
Yes. But I cannot stress this enough, u NEED HMG. It’s honestly a must. I did this exact same protocol 3 years ago and it gave me a daughter. Hmg is the game changer. Can hcg alone work? Yes, but I’ve seen the greatest amount of successes with the hcg+hmg combo. I’ve never known a guy running gear to become infertile, but that combo can get the boys going 100% of the time.
Thanks man. I don't think they sell that at peter md? Are there reliable sources for that or go to a dr?
 
It's crazy to see such bad information from a doctor. I'm not a doctor and I can tell you that Hpta in studies alone takes 2-12 months to return in an average male 18-60 based on a ton of variables.

That and HCG is suppressive..it is not going to recover you at all lol. It's going to absolutely help w fertility though.

I would go on clomid or enclomiphene for 3-6 months straight at the least and then add in HCG and HMG. But you will not recover Hpta. But this is an hrt schedule itself that will elicit a better result then staying on low dose T.

HCG at 900iu a week total kept all men in a study in therapeutic T ranges.. when u stop within 2- 4 weeks you will be crashed no different then when ur on T.

The issue being guys test their blood during PCat while they're still on clomid or HCG. This makes zero sense.

This is one of the most misunderstood concepts to doctors.

You aren't recovered, you have elevated T levels that will decrease the second you stop the clomid or HCG.

The point is this is about you and fertility and not recovering. Clomid or enclomiphene solo for hrt is a superior way to conceive then T.
Natural of course also is superior for this and only this function.
 
I have three friends that had babies on legit test.
I know guys that pinned and popped all the crap people assurred them would “definitely” work. No kid.

I think you either do or you don’t get pregnant.
 
Thanks man. I don't think they sell that at peter md? Are there reliable sources for that or go to a dr?
No, not at all. IF you can get legit HMG from a Dr its ridiculously expensive. Lots of Dr honestly dont want to prescribe it either. Realistically, you need to find an UGL source. Even places like IndiaMart has some cheap options.
 
It's crazy to see such bad information from a doctor. I'm not a doctor and I can tell you that Hpta in studies alone takes 2-12 months to return in an average male 18-60 based on a ton of variables.

That and HCG is suppressive..it is not going to recover you at all lol. It's going to absolutely help w fertility though.

I would go on clomid or enclomiphene for 3-6 months straight at the least and then add in HCG and HMG. But you will not recover Hpta. But this is an hrt schedule itself that will elicit a better result then staying on low dose T.

HCG at 900iu a week total kept all men in a study in therapeutic T ranges.. when u stop within 2- 4 weeks you will be crashed no different then when ur on T.

The issue being guys test their blood during PCat while they're still on clomid or HCG. This makes zero sense.

This is one of the most misunderstood concepts to doctors.

You aren't recovered, you have elevated T levels that will decrease the second you stop the clomid or HCG.

The point is this is about you and fertility and not recovering. Clomid or enclomiphene solo for hrt is a superior way to conceive then T.
Natural of course also is superior for this and only this function.
Thanks man. Would increasing my hcg from 500iu a week to 500iu mon wed and Friday be a good start?
 
HCG = LH, HMG = FSH

FSH think “For Sperm”. Enclomiphene/Clomid (higher side effect profile) boosts both LH and FSH but isn’t great long term.

HCG alone will NOT boost your sperm quality/quantity.

Best bet is drop TRT, add Enclomiphene, HMG and HCG.

Furthermore, I would switch to Test Prop for TRT, daily, that way you can drop it much faster when you need to and likely get the sperm numbers up…although they of course do take 30-90 days.

I actually just grabbed some Enclomiphene from @GYMnTONIC for this very purpose haha.

For reference, ON TRT @ 150/, my sperm count went up by NEARLY 10 TIMES on just Enclomiphene (6 wks later). I do believe this is highly variable person to person.
 
I forgot my dose of clomid but my doctor had me on 1500iu hct a week. Went from zero sperm to a toddler and twins lol.

I was 36-37 at the time
 
Just found out 2 days ago baby number 2 is on the way. Here’s the protocol that worked for me
600 test
400 npp
400 tren e
Some winstrol and anavar pwo
No hcg or hmg lol
First baby was conceived mid blast as well
 
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Just found out 2 days ago baby number 2 is on the way. Here’s the protocol that worked for me
600 test
400 npp
400 tren e
Some winstrol and anavar pwo
No hcg or hmg lol
First baby was conceived mid blast as well
Dam , if this is real and not a joke I would definitely have your kid take a DNA test, chances it’s really yours are slim but anything is possible.test and NPP basically made my testicles disappear like a magic trick
 
Another thing that helps if you’re trying to conceive is to take bee pollen and eat a ton of citrus fruits, when I was trying to conceive with my first kid, the doctor said my sperm was horrible after two or three weeks of eating B pollen every day and eating oranges and tangerines. They retested my sperm and said it looked like a completely different persons. The vitamin C from the fruits helps motility of your sperm, and the bee pollen corrects any nutrient deficiencies in your body. If you saw the chemical composition of Bee pollen you would never take any multivitamin. It has every single mineral,vitamin ,amino acid ,and micro nutrient known to science and Its fully bioavailable.Here is the chemical analysis of bee pollen

Vitamin B1 (thiamine) 9.2 micrograms %
Vitamin B2 (riboflavin)
Vitamin B3 (Niacin)
Vitamin B5 (panothenic acid)
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) 5 micrograms %
Vitamin B12 (cyamoco balamin)
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
Vitamin D - Vitamin E
Vitamin H (biotin)
Vitamin K. Choline. Inositol
Folic Acid, 5 micrograms %
Pantothenic acid 20-50 micrograms/gram
Rutin. 16 milligrams %
Rutin in beehive pollen 13%
Vitamin PP (nicotinicamide)
Minerals:
Calcium. 1 - 15% of ash
Phosphorus 1-20% of ash
Iron, 1-12% of ash
0.01-1.3% of fresh pollen
0.6-7.1 mg % of air dried
Copper 05-08% of ash
1.1-2.1 mg % of fresh
Potassium, 20-45% of ash
Magnesium, 1-12% of ash
Manganese, 1.4% of ash, 0.75 mg %
Silica, 2-10% of ash
Sulphur, 1% of ash
Sodium - Titanium-Zinc
Iodine - Chlorine
Boron-Molydbenum
Fatty Acids (Conifer Pollen)
Total list identified are:

Caproic (C-6) - Caprylic (C-8)
Capric (C-10) - Lauric (C-12)
Myristic (C-14) - Palmitic (C-16)
Palmitoleic (C-15) one double bond
Uncowa - Stearic (C-18)
Oleic (C-18) one double bond
Linoleic (C-18) two double bonds
Arachidic (C-20) - Stearic (C-22)
Limolenic (C-18 three double bonds)
Eicosanoic (C-20 one double bond)
Brucic (C-22 one double bond)
Pseudotduga dry pollen contains
0.76-0.89 % fatty acid. Major are:
Oleic, Palmitic, Linoleic,
Pinus dry pollen contains:
125-1.33% fatty acid based on
dry weight of pollen, major are:
Linolenic, Oleic - Stearic.
Enzymes & Co-enzymes:
Disstase
Phosphatase
Amylase
Cataiase
Saccharase
Diaphorase
Pectase
Cozymase
Cytochrome systems
Lactic dehydrogenase
Succinic dehydrogenase
Note: The cozymase in mixed fresh pollen runs about 0.5-1 .0 milligram per gram. comparable to the amounts in yeast. (Bee pollen contains all known enzymes & co-enzymes and probably all that will be known in the future.)
Pigments:
Xarmmepayll, (20-150 micrograms per gram.)
Carotates (50-150% micrograms per gram.) Alpha & Beta Carotene
Fats & Oils: - 5%
Fatty acid (may be 5.8%)
Hexadecanol may be 0. 14% of pollen by weight.
Alpha-amino butyric acid is present in pollen fat.
Unsaponifiable fraction of pollen may be
2.6% by weight.
Water: 3-20% of fresh pollen
Miscellaneous:
Waxes, Resins, Steroids, Growth Factors, Growth Isorhanetin, Vernine, Guanine, Xanthine, Hypoxanthine, Nuclein, Amines, Lecithin, Glucoside of Isorhanstin, Glycosides of Quercetir, Selenium, Nucleic acids flavonoids, phenolic acids, tarpenes & many other yet undefined nutrients.
Proteins, Globulins, Peptones, and Amino Acids:
7-35%. average 20%: 40-50%
may be free amino acids: 10-13% consists
of amino acids in dry pollen.
35 grams of pollen per day can satisfy the
protein requirements of man. 25 grams of
pollen per day can sustain man because it
contains 6.35 grams as indicated by Rose.
Plus other amino acids.
Pollen contains the same number of amino acids, but vary greatly in quantity of each:
Tryptophan 1.6% - Leucine 5.6% Lysine 5.7% - Isoleucine 4.7% Methionine 1.7% - Cystine 0.6% Thresonine 4.6% - Arginine 4.7% Phenylalanine 3.5% - Histidine 1.5% Valine 6.0% - Glutamic acid 2.1% Tyrosine - Glycine - Serine - Proline - Alanine - Aspartic acid Hydroxyproline - Butyric Acid.
Carbohydrates:
Gums - Pentosans - Cellulose Sporonine
(7-57% of pollen of various species:
29% in bee collected.)
Starch (0-22% of pollen)
Total sugars (30-40%)
Sucrose or cane sugar
Levulose or fruit sugar / fructose
Glucose or grape sugar
Reducing sugars (0.1-19%)
Bee-collected: Non-reducing sugar 2.71%.
Reducing: 18.82-41.21% Mean. 25.71%
A nutrient is a molecule you must have, but the body cannot manufacture. You have to ingest (eat) it. If you don't have it, at first you will not feel well. It you don't get it for a longer time, you will begin to feel sick. If you don't get it for too long a time you are probably going to die.
Each ounce of honeybee pollen contains just 28 calories. Only 7 grams are carbohydrate, plus 15% Lecithin, the substance that burns away fat and 25% is pure protein.
Twenty-eight minerals are found in the human body. Fourteen are vital, essential elements present in such small amounts that they are called - "micro- nutrients." Honeybee pollen contains all 28 minerals:
Nucleosides
Guanine
Hexodecanol
Auxins
Xanthine
Alpha-Amino-Butyric Acid
Brassins
Hypoxalthine
Monoglycerides
Gibberellins
Crocetin
Diglycerides
Kinins
Zeaxanthin
Triglycerides
Vernine
Lycopene
Peutosaus
3 teaspoons = 1 Tablespoon / 2 Tablespoons = 1 ounce
 
Dam , if this is real and not a joke I would definitely have your kid take a DNA test, chances it’s really yours are slim but anything is possible.test and NPP basically made my testicles disappear like a magic trick
100% mine bro. Still blow huge loads. Never had a kid until I started taking gear lol
 
Watch the podcast that just dropped on YouTube unracjed they have dom superskiced speak on this and he’s a guru on the subject a lotta great info on this
 

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