Test mast first run

[Kermit]

Wanting to up my test cyp to 400-500 and run 200 mast prop for a bulk cycle pinning eod. Any issues with this or should i consider something else? I know most will say just up the test. Wanting to add a little something else to this bulk.

 

[McPriimate]

Have you run test at that level before or done a cycle previously, or is this your first?

 

[Phill]

Masteron is not exactly the most suitable product for bulking

 

[big_rich]

Test only add more clean food. Skip the mast

 

[Kermit]

I got the itch for something else. Dont want to add an oral i like my pins. I guess more test is the answer for now

 

[Cypher]

Test and NPP.

 

[Kermit]

Test and NPP.

How much would you run with that much test?

 

[Wardamn]

Test and mast is fine. No issues. Run it, train hard, and eat.

 

[Cypher]

How much would you run with that much test?

First off, do your own research and use the forum search. Second, you didn’t answer the question—it was whether this is your first cycle.

Test and mast is fine. No issues. Run it, train hard, and eat.

Absolutely.

 

[Meetketchup]

Test and Mast in a caloric surplus are a great combo.

 

[Kermit]

First off, do your own research and use the forum search. Second, you didn’t answer the question—it was whether this is your first cycle.

Absolutely.

I did use the search, very specific wording and nothing that was useful for me. Sometimes the search works and sometimes it doesnt. Obviously its the first cycle its in the title of the thread. I would count asking questions as doing research. Just imo

 

[rollin-tumblin]

I did use the search, very specific wording and nothing that was useful for me. Sometimes the search works and sometimes it doesnt. Obviously its the first cycle its in the title of the thread. I would count asking questions as doing research. Just imo

Yeah, you know how many search results you get if you search "NPP" here? Zero. I know, because I am also considering a test/NPP first real cycle

 

[Kermit]

Test only add more clean food. Skip the mast

Why not run mast with it? Would it be better to up to 600 test instead of adding mast? I was trying to find something that wont aromatize as i already do that too much.

 

[FearsomeCOR]

I got the itch for something else. Dont want to add an oral i like my pins. I guess more test is the answer for now

Test and mast are not the two only injectables brother

 

[RuBould]

In my opinion and I only really run baby cycles. Blessed with good genes and not interested in chasing the levels that some of the beasts on here do. In my opinion, first cycle is a gradual taper up of test. Understand what it does to your body, how much AI you need at different levels. What high E2 feels like for you. When you inevitably drive it too low trying to dial it in what does low E2 feel like for you. How does your bloodwork react. Does your HCT and Hemoglobin skyrocket? Does your RBC do the same. What does it do to your lipid profile? Can you manage those factors with diet, supplements, and training? High test is sufficient for most to achieve all they want and more on a first cycle. And, its a dry run of interpreting labs and how to manage your own body. Then when you have a handle on that you can add a different compound on a second cycle. Because then you will know more about how you respond. So you might run a little less test and run a lot more deca because it doesn't aromatize as much and you can watch your blood work and see how you respond. And, if you get anxious and depressed on deca and you didn't on test you'll know it was the deca. Or you'll have an idea that when your run mast you need to take it a little easier on the AIs and you'll know what your baseline is. When you start adding multiple things in a first cycle you're just guessing and then it can be a whole roller coaster. This is a lesson most of us have learned at one time or another the hard way. Don't learn it the hard way. Just start test only, diet right, train hard and enjoy the gains. And if ever test can't get you where you want to go you'll have established some skills and knowledge to help you run a more successful cycle with multiple compounds.

 

[Kermit]

Test and mast are not the two only injectables brother

Need something that doesnt aromatize. Primo is out all over but i can find mast. U guess eq but figured mast would be better for first time

 

[Kermit]

In my opinion and I only really run baby cycles. Blessed with good genes and not interested in chasing the levels that some of the beasts on here do. In my opinion, first cycle is a gradual taper up of test. Understand what it does to your body, how much AI you need at different levels. What high E2 feels like for you. When you inevitably drive it too low trying to dial it in what does low E2 feel like for you. How does your bloodwork react. Does your HCT and Hemoglobin skyrocket? Does your RBC do the same. What does it do to your lipid profile? Can you manage those factors with diet, supplements, and training? High test is sufficient for most to achieve all they want and more on a first cycle. And, its a dry run of interpreting labs and how to manage your own body. Then when you have a handle on that you can add a different compound on a second cycle. Because then you will know more about how you respond. So you might run a little less test and run a lot more deca because it doesn't aromatize as much and you can watch your blood work and see how you respond. And, if you get anxious and depressed on deca and you didn't on test you'll know it was the deca. Or you'll have an idea that when your run mast you need to take it a little easier on the AIs and you'll know what your baseline is. When you start adding multiple things in a first cycle you're just guessing and then it can be a whole roller coaster. This is a lesson most of us have learned at one time or another the hard way. Don't learn it the hard way. Just start test only, diet right, train hard and enjoy the gains. And if ever test can't get you where you want to go you'll have established some skills and knowledge to help you run a more successful cycle with multiple compounds.

I understand all this. Ive been getting labs done and everything has been great. Ran test at 400 before just need an ai to go with. Thats why i wanted something that doesnt aromatize

 

[TyTheTatDad]

Same last time was my first with Mast and ran smaller trial cycle dose of 300 test cyp with 210 Mast. Looking to start next cycle at end of february or 1st of march. Since no issue with test before or mast this last time going to push this time to 490 test cyp and 350 mast. Also starting to run GH next week at 2 iu and would like to titrate up during that cycle to 4-6 iu but will see how it goes.

 

[Kermit]

Same last time was my first with Mast and ran smaller trial cycle dose of 300 test cyp with 210 Mast. Looking to start next cycle at end of february or 1st of march. Since no issue with test before or mast this last time going to push this time to 490 test cyp and 350 mast. Also starting to run GH next week at 2 iu and would like to titrate up during that cycle to 4-6 iu but will see how it goes.

Do you feel like you gained a chunck out of that trial cycle?

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Need something that doesnt aromatize. Primo is out all over but i can find mast. U guess eq but figured mast would be better for first time

Eq is my favorite secondary personally, enjoy it much more than primo.
Not looking hard enough for primo btw

 

[celrin321]

Obviously a lot of top people would disagree with me but I don't think using master on as your main anabolic add on makes sense. It's probably the least anabolic of all gear.

I'd look into primo or eq, especially if you aren't in a cut or prepping

 

[Kermit]

Obviously a lot of top people would disagree with me but I don't think using master on as your main anabolic add on makes sense. It's probably the least anabolic of all gear.

I'd look into primo or eq, especially if you aren't in a cut or prepping

I got another month or 2 of cut left then bulk. Think mast would be good to add now?

 

[celrin321]

I got another month or 2 of cut left then bulk. Think mast would be good to add now?

I think a lot of the benefit of mast is getting dryer and harder. You'll get a grainy and hard look with some extra roundness you can't get without it or the other dht drugs imo. The effect is way more pronounced during a cut so if that's something you want at the expense of being on more mg of gear then ya.

 

[TyTheTatDad]

Do you feel like you gained a chunck out of that trial cycle?

Yes definitely felt stronger and noticed the gains in the gym

 

[jakobpeter]

honestly man i think thats a solid plan. i actually prefer adding a little mast to a bulk rather than just blasting a ton of test because it helps keep the bloat down and makes u feel way "harder" even when you're eating in a surplus.

since you're pinning eod anyway using the mast prop is perfect - just be ready for a few more needles lol. some guys might say mast is only for cutting but i love the way it keeps e2 side effects in check without having to constantly pop an ai. go for it and see how u feel!

 

[RandomLifter]

If you’re worried about Aromatizing and it’s your first cycle I wouldn’t run the Test that high. I have aromatization concerns, for various reasons, and 500 Test is just too much…at least for me personally.

I have much better results at around 3mg/kg Test and then adding in Masteron.

I’d go something like 300mg Test, 200mg Masteron, give it 4 weeks, if you’re good on aromatization increase Test or increase Mast.

 

[Neilblake]

if your already pinning eod for the prop then honestly this is a killer setup. most guys think mast is only for cutting but i swear it keeps the moon face away when you push the test up to 500 and just makes you feel like an absolute unit in the gym. plus that shbg drop is real so you'll probably get way more out of that test than you would solo. just watch your hair if your prone to thinning because mast is a straight up vacuum for the hairline but otherwise its a super clean way to bulk without looking like a bloated water balloon lol do it.

 

[Kermit]

If you’re worried about Aromatizing and it’s your first cycle I wouldn’t run the Test that high. I have aromatization concerns, for various reasons, and 500 Test is just too much…at least for me personally.

I have much better results at around 3mg/kg Test and then adding in Masteron.

I’d go something like 300mg Test, 200mg Masteron, give it 4 weeks, if you’re good on aromatization increase Test or increase Mast.

Thats some good thought. Thank you for the input.

 

[TyTheTatDad]

if your already pinning eod for the prop then honestly this is a killer setup. most guys think mast is only for cutting but i swear it keeps the moon face away when you push the test up to 500 and just makes you feel like an absolute unit in the gym. plus that shbg drop is real so you'll probably get way more out of that test than you would solo. just watch your hair if your prone to thinning because mast is a straight up vacuum for the hairline but otherwise its a super clean way to bulk without looking like a bloated water balloon lol do it.

Mast is not a straight up killer. DHT is what kills it. Mast is just a DHT derivative, it may block estrogen and cause test to kill your hairline but mast isn’t what is crushing your hairline alone.

 

[Lustyscripps]

if your already pinning eod for the prop then honestly this is a killer setup. most guys think mast is only for cutting but i swear it keeps the moon face away when you push the test up to 500 and just makes you feel like an absolute unit in the gym. plus that shbg drop is real so you'll probably get way more out of that test than you would solo. just watch your hair if your prone to thinning because mast is a straight up vacuum for the hairline but otherwise its a super clean way to bulk without looking like a bloated water balloon lol do it.

Just got mid bloods on a test/deca/mast cycle. Free test was at 1178pg/ml and my SHBG was at 2nmol/L