🗣️🦍 Question Thread for Mircea Balaj live 6 to 8pm e Jan 15 🦍🗣️

[JustJoshin]

What is your opinion on point of diminishing returns from hgh? How do you titrate and what’s your own personal upper limit?

Also I’m hearing a lot of widely varying doses of SLU-PP-332, can you clarify what the effective bodybuilding dose is.

 

[Meathook]

AI use.
Situation: 750 test week, 600 mast week. E2 108. Client dead against lowering test. Bloodwork good. Bulk/strength phase. Primary issues..sensitive nips, low labido. Says he feels great when E2 is ~45-50. Which AI and schedule and why. Thanks for your time and knowledge!!

I mean you being the coach, you should tell him why lowering the Testosterone is the best way to go about things… you don’t have to lower total milligrams, just replace them with milligrams from different compound.

I’d pretty much do that and not let the client decide what he does, he is hiring you for your knowledge and expertise, so he should listen to your coaching recommendations.



When it comes to AIs, I always go for the least impactful drug, used at the lowest possible dose, for the shorted duration possible.

Arimidex is pretty much the mildest in that class of drugs, I think 0.5mg 2x/week is a ln acceptable dose, and I think 1-2 weeks should be enough to get E2 levels in range. That can be repeated if needed, but I wouldn’t rely on that as estrogen management unless Testosterone is the only tool at your disposal or you just aromatize like a mofo, but at 750 Test a week… yeah that’s a lot unless you’re gunning for the WSM title.

 

[Jdkx450]

Thank you. I like Arimidex when needed personally but if I read enough they all get blasted for being bad and all get praised for being the best. My recommendation was 500 test and and keep the mast at 600. Repeat bloods…I know it’s lower mg but don’t feel the 1350mg was needed anyway lol

 

[Meathook]

Female here

What’s your stance on women running Tesamorelin long-term while also using AAS (Test microdosing + Primo)? Any risks, contraindications, or best-practice protocol? And should I sub out the tesa for actual gh?

Good evening miss Angie, always nice to see some female questions pop up.

Female PED use is often a misunderstood and mishandled topic.

Tesamorelin is one of the more potent GH secretagogues, but like with all other drugs in that class, you will run the risk of developing antibodies to that specific drug is used for a long time. Now you can switch to a different one until you develop antibodies for that one and the switch back to Tesamorelin, but because secretagogues are so timing-dependent I find that actual GH is much more effective. Secretagogues need to be paired with your natural GH secretion patterns, so it would have to coincide with your first cycle of REM sleep in order to get maximum GH production… but 2iu of GH will always be 2iu no matter when you take them. There is also no additional stress on the pituitary glad with GH use, while the secretagogues by definition work by forcing your pituitary to produce more GH than naturally intended. Think of this like revving your engine up to 5000 RPM and keeping it there for prolonged periods of time… your engine will wear out a lot faster.

Now, regarding AAS use, are you undergoing a replacement therapy? If not long acting esters are definitely not a good option and testosterone is certainly not needed for female protocols.

The greatest risk to women when it comes to virilization and/or loss of the menstrual cycle is not necessarily the dose, but the duration. While the dose plays a big role, of course, the duration is actually the bigger issue. During puberty, boys are hit with a modest dose of testosterone, but it is for 10 years or so, during that time they slowly develop male characteristics. They don’t get bombarded with 750mg/week of Testosterone for 12 weeks, but that 10-ish mg/day dose for 10 years is what does all the changes.

So unless you are running an HRT protocol, I’d keep AAS use short 4-8 weeks, with ample time off of AAS (1-2x or more of the time you were on), and I’d probably avoid long acting compounds and testosterone.

As to whether there are any interactions between GH or GH secretagogues and AAS, no you can take them at the same time.

 

[Meathook]

GHk-CU better to take by its self or do you like it in the GLOW formula with the BPC and TB. Have you seen the topical GHK- CU is that stuff any good for like hair growth or anything?

So I got this bag of SLU-PP-332 that SB sent me way after prep was over and I didn’t get to test it out. But I really hate cardio So if it cuts down my cardio in prep I am all for it. Have you used it for competitors in a prep scenario ?

I really like GHK-Cu as a stand-alone product and as part of the GLOW blend.

I am OCD and I like my own mixes and concoctions, but the GLOW blend is great general tool to use for healing after an injury. It’s promotes healing via multiple vectors including:

• blood flow
• collagen synthesis
• anti-inflammatory properties
• growth factors
• and more

GHK-Cu is also great for cosmetic purposes. I have seen it used in creams and serums applied topically to help reduce skin aging and wrinkles, heal scars, and treat acne, but honestly 1-2mg/day taken 5 days on with 2 days off as a subcutaneous injection works just fine. I had many clients use it to reduce AAS indices acne and it worked like a charm. And no need to inject it close to the affected area, it works systemically.

Ah c’mon man, we all know cardio is good for you! Don’t be lazy lol

SLU-PP-332 is an interesting compound! Definitely worth using to maintain cardiovascular fitness for athletes focusing on developing other traits, and for people who can’t get in enough cardiovascular work due to injuries, travel, work schedules, it’s definitely something you can add in to make up for some missed cardio sessions or in addition to your normal cardio regimen.

I would use it as a supplement to your normal cardio or something to help you out when you have too much in your plate, but don’t rely on it to do the work for you lol

 

[NY_Angie]

Good evening miss Angie, always nice to see some female questions pop up.

Female PED use is often a misunderstood and mishandled topic.

Tesamorelin is one of the more potent GH secretagogues, but like with all other drugs in that class, you will run the risk of developing antibodies to that specific drug is used for a long time. Now you can switch to a different one until you develop antibodies for that one and the switch back to Tesamorelin, but because secretagogues are so timing-dependent I find that actual GH is much more effective. Secretagogues need to be paired with your natural GH secretion patterns, so it would have to coincide with your first cycle of REM sleep in order to get maximum GH production… but 2iu of GH will always be 2iu no matter when you take them. There is also no additional stress on the pituitary glad with GH use, while the secretagogues by definition work by forcing your pituitary to produce more GH than naturally intended. Think of this like revving your engine up to 5000 RPM and keeping it there for prolonged periods of time… your engine will wear out a lot faster.

Now, regarding AAS use, are you undergoing a replacement therapy? If not long acting esters are definitely not a good option and testosterone is certainly not needed for female protocols.

The greatest risk to women when it comes to virilization and/or loss of the menstrual cycle is not necessarily the dose, but the duration. While the dose plays a big role, of course, the duration is actually the bigger issue. During puberty, boys are hit with a modest dose of testosterone, but it is for 10 years or so, during that time they slowly develop male characteristics. They don’t get bombarded with 750mg/week of Testosterone for 12 weeks, but that 10-ish mg/day dose for 10 years is what does all the changes.

So unless you are running an HRT protocol, I’d keep AAS use short 4-8 weeks, with ample time off of AAS (1-2x or more of the time you were on), and I’d probably avoid long acting compounds and testosterone.

As to whether there are any interactions between GH or GH secretagogues and AAS, no you can take them at the same time.

Thanks so much for the answer! This is what I was looking for Im so glad I asked about the tesa and I have been entertaining the idea of running gh.

I am on trt my free, natural test and e2 were in the tank, I was perimenopausal and also over weight recovering from abdominal surgery. Taking 5mg every 4 days. I spoke with my GP about it and Jan 25 i'll be on trt for 6 months, I scheduled my 6 month blood work up for then.

thanks so much again for the aswer and advice!! So happy you came on and joined us here!

 

[cdubw44]

I really like GHK-Cu as a stand-alone product and as part of the GLOW blend.

I am OCD and I like my own mixes and concoctions, but the GLOW blend is great general tool to use for healing after an injury. It’s promotes healing via multiple vectors including:

• blood flow
• collagen synthesis
• anti-inflammatory properties
• growth factors
• and more

GHK-Cu is also great for cosmetic purposes. I have seen it used in creams and serums applied topically to help reduce skin aging and wrinkles, heal scars, and treat acne, but honestly 1-2mg/day taken 5 days on with 2 days off as a subcutaneous injection works just fine. I had many clients use it to reduce AAS indices acne and it worked like a charm. And no need to inject it close to the affected area, it works systemically.

Ah c’mon man, we all know cardio is good for you! Don’t be lazy lol

SLU-PP-332 is an interesting compound! Definitely worth using to maintain cardiovascular fitness for athletes focusing on developing other traits, and for people who can’t get in enough cardiovascular work due to injuries, travel, work schedules, it’s definitely something you can add in to make up for some missed cardio sessions or in addition to your normal cardio regimen.

I would use it as a supplement to your normal cardio or something to help you out when you have too much in your plate, but don’t rely on it to do the work for you lol

I’ll still get the cardio done. I’m just gonna whine bitch and complain while I do it. thanks buddy.

 

[cdubw44]

Mircea my man. Thank you for your time! It was an absolute pleasure having you drop by and answer questions. We’ll get together and pick a winner for the prize.
To all you guys who ask questions, thank you very much. I hope you guys had a great time..
SB boss man thank you for putting this together for the guys

 

[Meathook]

What is your opinion on point of diminishing returns from hgh? How do you titrate and what’s your own personal upper limit?

Also I’m hearing a lot of widely varying doses of SLU-PP-332, can you clarify what the effective bodybuilding dose is.

Ugh… I find that GH work well as a “longevity” tool in lower doses. For performance I think the limit is what you can afford or tolerate.

When you get to a point when you need a lot of blood glucose management (insulin) and/or the neuropathy is keeping you from tainting properly or even sleeping, or your blood pressure is through the roof from water retention and you need diuretics… that is way to much.

I personally couldn’t tolerate 10iu for more than a week. 8iu for maybe two weeks. 5-6iu I can tolerate pretty well long-term with a 5 days in. 2 days off schedule.

It would be up to you to find your upper limit and you could escalate doses by 1iu every 3-4 weeks and find out what you can tolerate. But keep in mind, diet, fluid and electrolyte intake will all influence this. Even te climate/humidity could have an effect. Training also is an important factor to take into consideration. As with all PEDs are you training enough to give the drugs something to do?

SLU-PP-332 is a very interesting compound. It’s classified as an exercise mimetic and it acts at the mitochondrial level. The doses are all over the board right now, but ai find that you see no additional benefits from the newer “megadoses” than you would from initial doses you saw when it first came out as a “research chem”.

I think 250mcg to 1000mcg is plenty for pretty much anyone. Smaller individuals could get away with 125mcg while bigger individuals might need closer to that 1mg dose.

 

[Meathook]

Thank you. I like Arimidex when needed personally but if I read enough they all get blasted for being bad and all get praised for being the best. My recommendation was 500 test and and keep the mast at 600. Repeat bloods…I know it’s lower mg but don’t feel the 1350mg was needed anyway lol

I like this approach a lot more than the initial one. Simple, easy numbers, wouldn’t get the client all scared that he isn’t getting enough test or something… I’d try and get him to stick with this.

And Arimidex is good because it is mild, you don’t need a cannon to hunt small game.

 

[Meathook]

Mircea my man. Thank you for your time! It was an absolute pleasure having you drop by and answer questions. We’ll get together and pick a winner for the prize.
To all you guys who ask questions, thank you very much. I hope you guys had a great time..
SB boss man thank you for putting this together for the guys

A pleasure being here! And thank YOU and @SB Labs for having me and for supplying all of us with the best quality products out there!

In case anyone here doesn’t know already SB Labs are top of the food chain for a good reason! Best products, unparalleled customer support, fastest shipping!

I have used some pharma grade products in my life and honestly, I’d go with SB 10/10 times, best products I’ve ever used.

 

[Meathook]

Thanks so much for the answer! This is what I was looking for Im so glad I asked about the tesa and I have been entertaining the idea of running gh.

I am on trt my free, natural test and e2 were in the tank, I was perimenopausal and also over weight recovering from abdominal surgery. Taking 5mg every 4 days. I spoke with my GP about it and Jan 25 i'll be on trt for 6 months, I scheduled my 6 month blood work up for then.

thanks so much again for the aswer and advice!! So happy you came on and joined us here!

More than happy to help!

Please keep us posted and let us know how your bloodwork looks like after 6 months. I think female HRT doesn’t have to be a crazy amount of Testosterone, and some adjuncts like GH and GHK-Cu will help a lot with skin quality, joint health, and body composition.

 

[NY_Angie]

More than happy to help!

Please keep us posted and let us know how your bloodwork looks like after 6 months. I think female HRT doesn’t have to be a crazy amount of Testosterone, and some adjuncts like GH and GHK-Cu will help a lot with skin quality, joint health, and body composition.

I will post them when I get them. 5mg every 4 days has been working perfectly. Already taking GHK at 2mg

thank you again

 

[Dfresh41]

That was awesome. I learned a lot from this quick 2.5 hours. It would be awesome to do it again. Thank you again @SB Labs , @cdubw44 for putting this on, and a huge thank you to @Meathook for giving us your time, knowledge and insight on our personal journeys.

 

[SB Labs]

Thanks everyone for coming in and thank you Mircea @Meathook for your time we appreciate it. Special thanks to @cdubw44 for organizing this whole thing with Mircea. He will be back again in March for another round.
Thanks again everyone

 

[Jdkx450]

Thanks everyone for coming in and thank you Mircea @Meathook for your time we appreciate it. Special thanks to @cdubw44 for organizing this whole thing with Mircea. He will be back again in March for another round.
Thanks again everyone

Thank you @SB Labs for making this happen.

 

[Bam221]

This a very loaded topic. Technically. GH is not the main issue, it’s the IGF-1 derived from GH use, that’s also why you’ll see lower carbohydrate / keto diets recommended for cancer patients. Lower blood glucose > lower insulin level > lower IGF-1 secretion + higher IGF Binding Globulins which leads to less circulating IGF-1.

Technically if you are 35 years cancer-free, and all cancer markers are non-existent… the risks are minimized, but are they lower than someone who never had cancer? Maybe not.

I think here’s where you have to use your best judgement, if you feel that you are getting so many benefits and are conscious of the risks and are monitoring cancer markers… you can make a judgement call. But I would strongly suggest you check your health consistently because quality of life is really important bot also maintaining it is crucial!

As always much respect and appreciate the knowledge.


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[cdubw44]

Bump for your morning guys coffee reading material

 

[cdubw44]

Evening reading materials.
Hell, even I had to read it a couple of times I’m like I get it

 

[Meathook]

Evening reading materials.
Hell, even I had to read it a couple of times I’m like I get it

I sometimes read my own stuff and think “damn, that’s not bad at all” or “oh I could have gone down so many rabbit holes with this one” lol

 

[Meathook]

@SB Labs @cdubw44 and I are pleased to announce the winner of the coaching giveaway:

@Dfresh41

Big congrats brother!
Hit one of us up for the details and let’s get you huge

 

[cdubw44]

@Dfresh41 congratulations. Amazing opportunity.

 

[Conmike41]

Congrats @Dfresh41 ! What an awesome opportunity

 

[NY_Angie]

YAAAAY!!! Congrats!!!! @Dfresh41

 

[Dfresh41]

@SB Labs @cdubw44 and I are pleased to announce the winner of the coaching giveaway:

@Dfresh41

Big congrats brother!
Hit one of us up for the details and let’s get you huge

Wow, WOW!!! Holy fuuuucking shit! Thank you so very much. I’m stoked, and cannot wait to begin. @SB Labs @cdubw44 you guys have been absolutely awesome to me over the years and cannot show enough love!

@Meathook thank you so very much for this opportunity, it means the world. I cannot wait to begin. Fuck yeah!!!

 

[Dfresh41]

@Dfresh41 congratulations. Amazing opportunity.

Thank you brother.

 

[Dfresh41]

Congrats @Dfresh41 ! What an awesome opportunity

Thank you!!!

 

[Dfresh41]

YAAAAY!!! Congrats!!!! @Dfresh41

Thank you so much!!!

 

[SB Labs]

Wow, WOW!!! Holy fuuuucking shit! Thank you so very much. I’m stoked, and cannot wait to begin. @SB Labs @cdubw44 you guys have been absolutely awesome to me over the years and cannot show enough love!

@Meathook thank you so very much for this opportunity, it means the world. I cannot wait to begin. Fuck yeah!!!

Get in touch with @cdubw44 .He will take care of everything
Congrats

 

[cdubw44]

Late night, Sunday viewers. Here’s some reading material.