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Pulling the trigger

masonschu

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I've been natural for eight years, but I've recently been stacking enclomiphene and MK677 for a year now (might as well put a dress on me). I'm a male, 6'2", 210 lbs, with 15% body fat, and I have an ectomorph body type. My friend and I are both in a similar situation and are seeking a beginner stack. We've optimized our nutrition, sleep, and training routines to the point where the gym feels monotonous, and the usual pump/growth just isn't cutting it anymore.
 
Keep it basic, testosterone only, you can run testosterone only cycles again and again and again, there's a lot to learn from testosterone, there's so many learning curves, sensitivities, finding your sweet spot with your preferred dosage, finding where your estrogen starts to become a problem and so on, testosterone testosterone testosterone testosterone
 
Testosterone
What type of dose are we looking at? Enclo gets us to 900-1200ng/dl at 6.25mg a day. Blood work has been perfect past 3 months. Been spending near $300 on these panels, so not worried about the price. Worried about our health lmao.
 
What type of dose are we looking at? Enclo gets us to 900-1200ng/dl at 6.25mg a day. Blood work has been perfect past 3 months. Been spending near $300 on these panels, so not worried about the price. Worried about our health lmao.
That’s about TRT levels for us who are on all the time. Usual dosing to achieve those numbers is 150-200mg per week. Obviously speaking in generalities as each of you may respond differently, but that’ll give you an idea. I pulled 1700s ng/dl on 150mg from SB labs on my last health phase.
 
That’s about TRT levels for us who are on all the time. Usual dosing to achieve those numbers is 150-200mg per week. Obviously speaking in generalities as each of you may respond differently, but that’ll give you an idea. I pulled 1700s ng/dl on 150mg from SB labs on my last health phase.
tried Any dianabol? I've heard people blowing up on that stuff.
 
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tried Any dianabol? I've heard people blowing up on that stuff.
Yes, I’m not a fan. I loved the stuff when I started PEDs because we all have that believe that we’ll blow up which you will with a bunch of water. At 210 with the years you’ve been training, diet and training dialed. 350-500mg of Testosterone only you’ll blow up with actual gains, not just water bloat. Dianabol will also throw your estrogen through the roof so, harder for you to keep things in check. Just my 2 cc
 
Wait for 2nd cycle on dbol unless you want tits
Yes, I’m not a fan. I loved the stuff when I started PEDs because we all have that believe that we’ll blow up which you will with a bunch of water. At 210 with the years you’ve been training, diet and training dialed. 350-500mg of Testosterone only you’ll blow up with actual gains, not just water bloat. Dianabol will also throw your estrogen through the roof so, harder for you to keep things in check. Just my 2 cc
ahh, gocha. Yea honestly looking for some solid progress at the moment. Not trying to get bloat from water and nitrogen retention, just to lose it off cycle (im sure the pumps are nasty tho lol).
 
ahh, gocha. Yea honestly looking for some solid progress at the moment. Not trying to get bloat from water and nitrogen retention, just to lose it off cycle (im sure the pumps are nasty tho lol).
There’s better VARieties of anabolics for pumps that’ll also make you look sick and grow tissue better than Dbol and no bloat. You’ll learn as you age into the enhanced realm what’s good, what’s better and not good. Be patient.
 
Test C unless you already got your hands on E.
Been bouncing around these sites, trying to get legit shit. Have testing kits already. Market is weird with all these scammers. Might just have to talk to the biggest guy in the room. I'll look into test C, didnt know you could stack the 2.
 
Test 350mg a week

If test c or e then 175mg e3.5d for 16 weeks

If test p then 100mg eod or 50mg ed for 10-12 weeks

Have aromasin on hand
 
Been bouncing around these sites, trying to get legit shit. Have testing kits already. Market is weird with all these scammers. Might just have to talk to the biggest guy in the room. I'll look into test C, didnt know you could stack the 2.
You really need to do more research before "pulling the trigger." Use the search button here and keep asking questions. There is no rush.
Welcome.
 
400mg a week of test C or E or 100mg EOD is a good place to start.

Run it for 12-16 weeks and see how you respond. Pull bloods during cycle.

Have an AI on hand.
 
Definitely do some digging around searching the site. There is solid advice to be absorbed here bro. Test is best. Source checking and discussion. The best in the business aren’t far away Pin it to win it.
 
Keep it basic, testosterone only, you can run testosterone only cycles again and again and again, there's a lot to learn from testosterone, there's so many learning curves, sensitivities, finding your sweet spot with your preferred dosage, finding where your estrogen starts to become a problem and so on, testosterone testosterone testosterone testosterone
This has to be repeated over and over and over again. Lots of guys think the second, third cycles should be bumped up, different gear or orals. Extremely false.

Good advise @Vision my dear friend
 
tried Any dianabol? I've heard people blowing up on that stuff.
Definitely wait for a FEW cycles to run DBOL so you have a pretty good feel of estro sides… It’s the KING of giving big fat double D knockers 😂 Run test only first cycle, 500 mg is pretty standard in sure a little lower would work… have diet dialed all the way in and CRUSH it👊🏼 2nd cycle could be test and a dht like anavar or mast … enjoy, be safe and welcome to the greatest steroid forum on earth baby!
 

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