Possible to have achy joints on primo without low e2?

[Tattooguy8]

I’m three and a half weeks off of my first blast with something other than test. I slowly worked up to 400 test 400 primo micro-dosed daily. Had achy bone/joint type feeling but e2 was never lower than the 40’s. Estrogen was mostly in the 50’s most of that time. Primo doesn’t seem to have any meaningful e2 control for me what so ever, Even at a 1:1 ratio I still had to take 6.25 aromasin every other day. Made really good gains but I’m feeling much better now that the primo is leaving my system.

Maybe my body doesn’t like primo very much.

 

[GYAT]

Primo will dry you out, for sure, and can cause achy joints just from that. Do you hydrate well? May simply need to lower dose a bit and / or drink more water. Taking Primo E every day is mostly pointless by the way, not trying to be a dick - just saying your are probably wasting expensive compound for little to zero net positive. Simply going to a few days a week or even EOD may keep your joints from being so dry. Could just feel better and do better with a bit higher E range as well, I usually feel better/best when I'm around the 50 ish mark, but that can be and is high for some.

 

[Tattooguy8]

Primo will dry you out, for sure, and can cause achy joints just from that. Do you hydrate well? May simply need to lower dose a bit and / or drink more water. Taking Primo E every day is mostly pointless by the way, not trying to be a dick - just saying your are probably wasting expensive compound for little to zero net positive. Simply going to a few days a week or even EOD may keep your joints from being so dry. Could just feel better and do better with a bit higher E range as well, I usually feel better/best when I'm around the 50 ish mark, but that can be and is high for some.

It was definitely a little different feeling than really low e2. I’ve done that before and it sucks bad.

I micro dose my trt already anyway so I figured no harm in pinning the primo every day as well. Maybe next time I’ll do three days a week or something like that.

Unfortunately I get mild sexual dysfunction and slightly elevated heartbeat with e2 in the 50’s or higher. I really wanted to try my e2 in the 30’s but I was scared to death to crush it being brand new to primo so never got it quite that low.

Thanks for the pointers by the way.

 

[Vee]

I’m three and a half weeks off of my first blast with something other than test. I slowly worked up to 400 test 400 primo micro-dosed daily. Had achy bone/joint type feeling but e2 was never lower than the 40’s. Estrogen was mostly in the 50’s most of that time. Primo doesn’t seem to have any meaningful e2 control for me what so ever, Even at a 1:1 ratio I still had to take 6.25 aromasin every other day. Made really good gains but I’m feeling much better now that the primo is leaving my system.

Maybe my body doesn’t like primo very much.

I prefer daily shots of everything. There is no argument that it doesn’t keep a more stable blood level balance rather than the fluctuating ups and downs. I’m not a believer in silly half lives.. that said, some dht derivatives can do that to your joints. Winny is notorious for that. Even Masteron and Anavar can do that. So it is not just you. May just have to back down the dose… or do 100-200mg Deca a week to mitigate it. Old school trick

 

[Nood]

Do 300-400mg Deca a week to mitigate it. Old school trick

Fixed it

 

[Vee]

Fixed it

i was trying to be conservative for once lol

 

[Tattooguy8]

I prefer daily shots of everything. There is no argument that it doesn’t keep a more stable blood level balance rather than the fluctuating ups and downs. I’m not a believer in silly half lives.. that said, some dht derivatives can do that to your joints. Winny is notorious for that. Even Masteron and Anavar can do that. So it is not just you. May just have to back down the dose… or do 100-200mg Deca a week to mitigate it. Old school trick

Man that’s good to hear. Definitely anxious to see how I respond to npp.

I dropped down to 225 test cyp a week and will ride this for a while to get healthy. I was gonna do a bit of eq on the next one but npp has me really curious.

 

[Vision]

I’m three and a half weeks off of my first blast with something other than test. I slowly worked up to 400 test 400 primo micro-dosed daily. Had achy bone/joint type feeling but e2 was never lower than the 40’s. Estrogen was mostly in the 50’s most of that time. Primo doesn’t seem to have any meaningful e2 control for me what so ever, Even at a 1:1 ratio I still had to take 6.25 aromasin every other day. Made really good gains but I’m feeling much better now that the primo is leaving my system.

Maybe my body doesn’t like primo very much.

Have you thought about or considered using something a bit more milder on E2 than Primo - like Bold undec EQ , it has doubled the capability of collagen synthesis, and joint relief than Deca, plus you don't have to worry to much about progestin issues "as much" compared to nandrolone, or bloat to boot.

Win-win.. No?

 

[zwhit]

Maybe you just gained some strength and trained hard for a while. Deload for a week or two and you'll probably be fine

 

[Tattooguy8]

Have you thought about or considered using something a bit more milder on E2 than Primo - like Bold undec EQ , it has doubled the capability of collagen synthesis, and joint relief than Deca, plus you don't have to worry to much about progestin issues "as much" compared to nandrolone, or bloat to boot.

Win-win.. No?

For sure. Have some eq sitting here waiting for the next go around.

 

[rawbuilt]

you can get sore joints from just training hard

i still get some joint pains even on deca when training heavy pushing the logbook numbers

 

[Tattooguy8]

you can get sore joints from just training hard

i still get some joint pains even on deca when training heavy pushing the logbook numbers

I am training pretty hard but my routine hasn’t changed at all since dropping primo three and a half weeks ago. Same rep ranges and same weights but that kind of slight ache I was having all over is almost gone. Haven’t lost any strength yet.

My body doesn’t like elevated e2 at all. I suppose it could have been from elevated e2. Even on that much primo I neede an ai.