Please critique my first slin protocol.

[Synthesized]

Alright guys, I've been in the bodybuilding game now for over 6 years, and the fitness scene (endurance) for around 10. Been using steroids for several years, and have used basically tried them all.

Current stats:
Age: 27
Weight: 200
Height: 6'1" (73 inches)
BF: 8%

Right now I'm running test prop, tren ace, and masteron prop all at 100mg/d.

Now onto the thread question. I've been researching slin for quite some time now, and have always been interested what it could do for me. So today I finally went to Wal*Mart and picked up a bottle of Novolin R. Upon talking to a very experienced insulin user, he stated that Novolin/Humalin R are garbage because they are too unpredictable, and that I should instead find Novolog/Humalog R as they are easier to plan for.

I am in the middle of looking for Humalog or Novolog, but it appears it is by prescription only. I saw that Naps had carried the "Novorapid Flex Pen" but I am not completely sure if that is the Novolog insulin that I should be using. If anyone has any recommendations as to where I can find Humalog or Novolog R please let me know.

Anyway, when I get the vial of insulin, I plan on starting off at 5iu, and working my way up to 8-10iu depending on how things go. I am aware of the 1iu=10g simple carb concept, and will follow that as I up my dosage.

I will be using slin POST WORKOUT, in the morning, around 10am. I am currently "cutting" or at least trying to maintain my body fat, if I happen to pack on a few percentages of bf that is okay, but I heard by keeping fat LOW during your insulin peak meals, it helps a lot in staying lean.

OKAY, so here it goes. I will be starting off doing this 3-4x week POSTWORKOUT, for the course of 4 weeks max.

Post workout
5IU Novo/Huma R injected Subq.
Immediately drink my shake which contains:
50g protein (100% ON Gold Whey)
AND FOR MY CARB SOURCE AND GOODIES ADDED INTO MY SHAKE:
50G DEXTROSE POWDER
5G CREATINE MONOHYDRATE
5G GLUTAMINE
10G BCAA's (2:1:1)
1 Animal Pak

I figured I'd make my own shake to expose the insulin shuttling process to the finest ingredients (dextrose) alongside the essential vitamins, minerals, and supps my muscles could utilize.

AN HOUR AFTER INJECTION, I will have a easy digestable meal of about 8 ounces of baked chicken breasts, one cup of white rice, and 2 cups of skim milk which would land me at about another 50-60G protein, and 60G carbs with zero fat.

2-2.5 HOURS AFTER INJECTION I WILL HAVE ANOTHER SHAKE IDENTICAL TO THE FIRST





How does this look bro's? Of course I will have a shit load of candy, gatorade, chocolate, glucose tabs, etc around in case I start experiencing signs of hypoglycemia. And will also have a blood glucose meter on hand to monitor levels.

But is this roughly a good protocol to follow? -- Immediately have a shake, wait an hour to have a meal, and 2 hours after injection have another shake?

Any comments on what I should do for the last meal at around 4-6 hours in? Should I revert back to complex carbs such as rolled oats or quinoa? Or have another simple carb meal, or a shake?

THANK YOU FOR ANY INPUT FELLAS

 

[BTC]

Hey bro....nice to see you made it over here. Texx gears has Humalog as we discussed you switching to as opposed to the R type slins. Theres another one here that has Humalog too but someone will have to remind us who it is as I forgot. I have to go eat my 3 hour mark post slin meal right now but I will be back to get you a link to my slin thread and some other info. I'm sure some other guys will have some input as well.

 

[Synthesized]

Yeah man, thanks for pointing me towards this forum where I can get some real advice, not just flamed for wanting to break plateaus, but rather guidance from veterans to make sure everything I'm doing is safe. I did a forum search here and pulled up your logs, it appears you used the NovoRapid Flex pen -- same one I was going to use. Would you say that's any better than Humalog? The reason being is 300iu of Novo for $27 is a steal of a price.

 

[friendofzeus]

Yeah man, thanks for pointing me towards this forum where I can get some real advice, not just flamed for wanting to break plateaus, but rather guidance from veterans to make sure everything I'm doing is safe. I did a forum search here and pulled up your logs, it appears you used the NovoRapid Flex pen -- same one I was going to use. Would you say that's any better than Humalog? The reason being is 300iu of Novo for $27 is a steal of a price.

texxgears has 300 iu's for 19 dollars, cheaper if you buy more. was just loading up my cart with 1500iu's.

 

[Synthesized]

Oh shit, you're right. I didn't look close enough. Damn, that's cheaper than the $27 vial of 100iu Novolin R I got from Walmart.

 

[friendofzeus]

Oh shit, you're right. I didn't look close enough. Damn, that's cheaper than the $27 vial of 100iu Novolin R I got from Walmart.

i ran humulin r from walmart last time, roughly 100 dollars per 1000 iu's. texx gears is way cheaper for the fast acting stuff, can't beat that.

 

[BTC]

Yeah man, thanks for pointing me towards this forum where I can get some real advice, not just flamed for wanting to break plateaus, but rather guidance from veterans to make sure everything I'm doing is safe. I did a forum search here and pulled up your logs, it appears you used the NovoRapid Flex pen -- same one I was going to use. Would you say that's any better than Humalog? The reason being is 300iu of Novo for $27 is a steal of a price.

Same thing as Humalog bro. if you can get novolog for that deal ....DO IT. Don't bother with pen needles. Just pull from the tiny stopper on the pen like a multi use vial. Just make sure its novolog or Humalog. Not the "R" variation crap.

 

[BTC]

Also, up your creatine and glutamine to 10g. Also throw in 10g instanized leucine. Try and get glutamine peptides or glutamine akg. Creatine wise I'm using Allmax micronized creapure. Real good shit. truenutrition.com has the leucine and glutamine I mentioned. Also peptopro if you want to look into that. You would only need like 20 g that way. Don't use that Gold standard crap with slin bro. I seriously recommend peptopro. The more quality you put in the more you get out of it....that's what I have been experiencing anyways. As I mentioned Gaspari Glycofuse is a baddass carb source. instantly used up. So is their Aminolast.


I would eat two cups of rice in that PWO meal. You will need to be monitoring your glucose to see when the pwo meal will need to be consumed. Some guys need it at 45 min, some at 1 hour. Once you find where it is you want to start eating about 5 min before your BG drops. Because when it starts dropping it will drop like a rock.
You will likely need another meal before the slin clears. Somewhere around the 3-3:15 mark. After that the slin should pretty much have run its course and be gone.

 

[BTC]

As we discussed briefly before, don't fuck around with slin in your system. No hot showers, even warm showers for me. No sauna, steam room, no tanning , hot tub. No sex, no over exertion and above all DO NOT go to sleep with active slin in your system. The heat and over exertion can make you go hypo. If you eat your PWO meal and you are good for 1:45-2 hrs then exert or overheat yourself you will start to go hypo before the usual time.

 

[Jester]

I'd also recommend putting a timer on as soon as you're done with the injection. I would inject and then set it on my phone so I could constantly see where I was at... It was very helpful in determining a better idea of timing for food and such especially if you were to start feeling symptoms of going hypo.. As BtC said, some people can wait an hour, but others need to eat sooner such as myself....when and if you start to feel hypo, it comes on FAST and hits hard!!

 

[BTC]

I'd also recommend putting a timer on as soon as you're done with the injection. I would inject and then set it on my phone so I could constantly see where I was at... It was very helpful in determining a better idea of timing for food and such especially if you were to start feeling symptoms of going hypo.. As BtC said, some people can wait an hour, but others need to eat sooner such as myself....when and if you start to feel hypo, it comes on FAST and hits hard!!

^^^ man I cant believe I forgot that. A timer is a must. I bring up the stopwatch on my phone, pin, push start. Then I know where I'm at time wise while I am drinking my pwo shake. its a big shake...takes a few minutes to get it down. Also don't wait...start drinking. Some people wait cause it doesn't hit them for 5 min, 7 min, 10 min...ect ect... don't dick around. Pin and drink. You don't have to pound it right down but get drinking.

 

[Synthesized]

Hey BTC, thanks for pointing me in the direction of Humalog and Novolog, as opposed to Humalin R or Novolin R. Originally, I was under the impression that since Humalin/Novalin R are fast acting, that they are gtg. I had no idea that Humalog and Novalog were even faster acting and faster to clear your system, which leaves less room for error, and less unpredictability. Thank you for that pointer.

As far as blood glucose readings, I am going to buy a monitor -- according to research, normal adults don't usually exceed 120ng/dL one to two hours after eating, and anything under 70ng/dL is hypoglycemic. When you dip down to 40ng/dL that is when you are near death.

So, I must monitor to ensure I am above 70, and under 120 while I am on insulin during the 4 hour window... How often should I check my blood glucose during the duration? And since I will be using insulin not as directed for diabetic usage, will my blood glucose soar after a meal into the 140ng/dL +??

Please give me some pointers with taking my readings on insulin. Thank you!

 

[Synthesized]

Alright guys, here is what happened during my first (and probably last) slin run.

*Hit the gym hard, came home
*Injected 5iu of Novolin R at 12:00PM
*At 12:10PM had a shake -- 50g protein/50g dextrose/10g creatine/10 glutamine
*At 1:00 ate 8oz chicken breast, 1 cup white rice, and some spinach

***At exactly 1:30PM, only a half hour after my last meal with sufficient carbs, I started feeling cold sweats on my chest, I didn't think much of it -- then BOOM!! I got hit FAST and HARD with Hypoglycemia. I didn't have much time to act, and I felt myself slipping away quick. Good thing I was prepared, I had already laid out a glass of Gatorade with 30g Dextrose in it on the counter in case something like this happened. I slammed the drink, and INSTANTLY I felt better (within seconds).

*At 2:00 I started to feel the cold sweats coming back, so I slammed another 50g protein/50g dextrose shake before I got hit with hypo again.

*At 2:30 I had 1 cup of oatmeal in skim milk with a banana, and a protein shake (no dextrose). This was my last meal and everything was GTG after that. I felt the slin out of my system at around 3:00pm -- so it lasted for me around 3 hours.



Insulin is no fucking joke men, only a half hour after eating a cup of rice, I went fucking hypo. Can anyone chime into as why this happened so fast, even though I already had 100+g carbs in me? I don't know if I'm just extra sensitive, or need a shit load of carbs during the first few hours, but insulin definitely kills the carbs, so you better make sure to have a steady flow in during the duration, and ESPECIALLY the peak (where the slin tries it hardest to drop your blood glucose levels)

Moral of the story is, this is nothing to play around with and you better be fully fucking prepared, and have a fast acting sugar on hand or it's lights out!


I'm done using Novolin R, I'm going to trash it. From the moment I pinned it, I felt like shit for the duration of the day. I have some Humalog on hand now, and I will give Slin one last try later on this month, and I'm going to make sure to have a shake every 30 minutes this time around.

 

[BTC]

I told you bro...that shit hangs around in your system forever. Multiple spikes over that time. My slin experience was by the book. Minus the first day when my BG dropped around midnight which was about 6 hours after pinning. But it didn't happen again. But with slin anything can happen at any time depending on your body. You may be super sensitive. Next time have enough shakes or whatever but don't drink them every 30 minutes just because. Make sure you need them. Any extra you take in that the slin doesn't use up will get stored as fat. You can literally get fat as fuck in no time on slin. obviously its a precautionary measure you are talking about to see if you can get used to it but you get the idea.
But just to give an example my last week of slin I went out to eat because of a special occasion (otherwise I wouldnt have gone). The timing worked out so that the 3hr 15min slin spike was during dinner. I knew it was going to be a shit show...but it couldnt be helped. i had a 16 oz sirloin, pasta chips, mozzerella fritta (breaded, fried, apx 8 oz of cheese) and a canolli. I literally woke up the next morning with love handles. I got fat as fuck overnight. I worked it off but slin will fuck you up quick in more ways than one.

 

[friendofzeus]

i always did mine pre-workout with the slower acting stuff, but the 2 big spikes would occur within the first 3 hours still. i would drink a shake 30-40 mins prior to pinning so that my blood levels would be high as shit when the slin spiked the first time then be sipping on my slin juice throughout the workout and around the second hour is when the huge spike would hit, and i would be drinking my post workout shake right about that time after drinking all my slin juice.

i would have done a shake with about 75g of carbs 30 mins prior to pinning personally, then a smaller shake and a solid meal about 45 minutes after pinning.


btc has more experience than i do with slin, especially with the fast acting stuff, so i'd take his advice over mine.

 

[BTC]

i always did mine pre-workout with the slower acting stuff, but the 2 big spikes would occur within the first 3 hours still. i would drink a shake 30-40 mins prior to pinning so that my blood levels would be high as shit when the slin spiked the first time then be sipping on my slin juice throughout the workout and around the second hour is when the huge spike would hit, and i would be drinking my post workout shake right about that time after drinking all my slin juice.

i would have done a shake with about 75g of carbs 30 mins prior to pinning personally, then a smaller shake and a solid meal about 45 minutes after pinning.


btc has more experience than i do with slin, especially with the fast acting stuff, so i'd take his advice over mine.

My last run was my first. I was just very well coached by some very experienced guys here. I am definitely not an expert by any means. I would definitely not attempt pre workout slin of any type until you have a good grasp on Post workout use and know you can handle it. Lots more potential for bad shit to happen with pre.