Planning cycle after looooong break

[ciaka_express]

Long story short, I used to be in this scene about 20 years ago. Then life happened. Married, kids, work.
Im 6'2", at 205 lbs now. Old lol.
When life happened, fuuuuked my body, laziness, engineer style, inactivity, food, etc.
Blew up to 285.
Last July tested for T. Sure as he'll super low, like just under 300.
Got on TRT. Changed diet, monitor my macros, started walking 6 mi day 5 x a week.
Melted fat, went from 285 to about 215.
Now back at the gym, got down to 205. I think I still got good fat to shed.
Thinking another 15 lbs.

But now I want to do a cycle to recomp, gain lean muscle, shed more fat.
Thinking a cycle Test C 200 with Primobolan (something around 200).
Suggestions from those active here?

Thinking about cycle 10 weeks maybe.
I know I'll need clomid for pct, for about 4-6 weeks (100mg of 2x50tabs)
Also will need AI for es, what is good for that these days and how much?

Anything else I would need? I need all the advice I can. My old know how is too old.

How about labs? Back when, labs weren't a thing so much. Imo would help.
What critical levels do I want to be while on?
Any other advice? Thank you for your time.
Feel free to DM. Can 3xchange emails, whatever. I need learning here. Tx.


BTW, hearing some do test c sub cutaneous. Is that a thing now? Wow. That would be awesome. Super easy, so long you get the oil into that syringe.
Im ok with IM, way God intended it to be, but if this is a new and just as effective, id try.

 

[Astro95]

Welcome back to the lifestyle and congratulations on your progress so far.

Your intended cycle looks good, but not sure if you’re aware of the whole ordeal that happened in China with many manufacturers getting shut down creating a shortness in raws and ridiculous price hikes.

Primobolan, an aas that was already expensive, known for being faked is now incredibly hard to find and awfully faked at twice the price as before. Still a good compound for mild to no side effects and lean gains, but again availability is extremely limited and the price is a joke, assuming it’s even real.

Just keep this in mind when sourcing if you decide to go with this cycle and please don’t ask who has real primo, because no one knows, multiple labs on this forum and others have gotten caught pushing Test prop, EQ, Masteron etc as primo.

If you’re on TRT you don’t need to PCT. The idea of PCT is to restart your natural testosterone production. If you’re on TRT you’re supplementing with exogenous testosterone for life, therefore no PCT.

Assuming you do source Primobolan and it’s real, it acts as an AI through a metabolite in its structure. Some are unable to run a 1:1 ratio of Test & Primo, due to the estrogen lowering effects of this compound. As always keep Ai on hand, but definitely keep it in the back burner and pull labs to see how you handle that cycle ratio and see what its doing to your estrogen.

Personally this is what I test for when running bloodwork.

	Basic Thyroid Panel (TSH, T4, T3 Uptake, Free Thyroxine Index) × 1
	HBalc (Hemoglobin A1c) × 1
	Complete Blood Count (CBC) with
	NLR, Differential, and Platelets x 1
	Lipid Panel (Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, VLDL, Triglycerides, HDL/LDL Ratio) × 1
	Comprehensive Metabolic Panel

	Free Testosterone, Standard (Direct) × 1
	Total Testosterone (LC/MS) × 1
	Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA-S) × 1
	Estradiol, Sensitive (LC/MS-MS) × 1
	Ferritin × 1
	Insulin (Fasting Insulin) × 1
	Prolactin × 1

 

[FearsomeCOR]

Only thing I’d add to what @Astro95 said is I’d go for more than 10 weeks.

 

[ciaka_express]

Thanks for replies. Really appreciate your time.
Got so many questions but don't want to overwhelm this forum.

1.What does a good re intro cycle looked like then?
I remember doing 2 cycles a year. Suggestions?

2.How about that thing i heard microdosing test c sub cutaneous?
Is that a thing done these days?

3. Labs, are they expensive these days? How would I set up for a specific test list. Is that 8ns covered now a day? Trying figure that out.

4. For good AI, what would you recommend?


Again. Thank you very much.

 

[Glycomann]

Primo is great when you can get it but like others say, it can crush your estrogen. As you age at least for me the less you need to bring down E2. Spend the couple bucks to get a sensitive E2 test a few weeks in. You probably don't want your level under 35 as an estimate. If it is either up the test some or decrease the Primo some.

 

[WED]

Long story short, I used to be in this scene about 20 years ago. Then life happened. Married, kids, work.
Im 6'2", at 205 lbs now. Old lol.
When life happened, fuuuuked my body, laziness, engineer style, inactivity, food, etc.
Blew up to 285.
Last July tested for T. Sure as he'll super low, like just under 300.
Got on TRT. Changed diet, monitor my macros, started walking 6 mi day 5 x a week.
Melted fat, went from 285 to about 215.
Now back at the gym, got down to 205. I think I still got good fat to shed.
Thinking another 15 lbs.

But now I want to do a cycle to recomp, gain lean muscle, shed more fat.
Thinking a cycle Test C 200 with Primobolan (something around 200).
Suggestions from those active here?

Thinking about cycle 10 weeks maybe.
I know I'll need clomid for pct, for about 4-6 weeks (100mg of 2x50tabs)
Also will need AI for es, what is good for that these days and how much?

Anything else I would need? I need all the advice I can. My old know how is too old.

How about labs? Back when, labs weren't a thing so much. Imo would help.
What critical levels do I want to be while on?
Any other advice? Thank you for your time.
Feel free to DM. Can 3xchange emails, whatever. I need learning here. Tx.


BTW, hearing some do test c sub cutaneous. Is that a thing now? Wow. That would be awesome. Super easy, so long you get the oil into that syringe.
Im ok with IM, way God intended it to be, but if this is a new and just as effective, id try.

If you're on TRT you don't need to go on PCT, just blast and cruise.

What is your current TRT dosage? I'd start at 300mg of just Test then get some bloods after 8 weeks and maybe jump to 400. and add in primo or mast at a 2:1 if your ultra senstive E2 is high. Then run that for another 12+ weeks or until you need to come off. Then just go back to TRT

 

[Astro95]

Thanks for replies. Really appreciate your time.
Got so many questions but don't want to overwhelm this forum.

1.What does a good re intro cycle looked like then?
I remember doing 2 cycles a year. Suggestions?

2.How about that thing i heard microdosing test c sub cutaneous?
Is that a thing done these days?

3. Labs, are they expensive these days? How would I set up for a specific test list. Is that 8ns covered now a day? Trying figure that out.

4. For good AI, what would you recommend?


Again. Thank you very much.

Your 400mg cycle sounds good to me just play with ratios to find the one where your estrogen is fine.

Yes, some pin it subQ these days. Supposedly they get a steady release of the hormone aiding in steadier levels, but that’s just what I’ve seen people say. I’ve never taken oils SubQ and I pin enough shit in my stomach as is. I got no problems pinning IM so I stick to that myself.

Depending on the state you live in you can get labs online for cheap through Ulta labs, PrivateMDLabs, Marek health etc. I believe you can use insurance, but a very complete panel out of pocket should run you around 200 bones. Can be much cheaper if you only get certain tests.

Ai Aromasin or Anastrozole. Can get Pharma for very cheap from India. Pctzone is an option in the sponsor section.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Thanks for replies. Really appreciate your time.
Got so many questions but don't want to overwhelm this forum.

1.What does a good re intro cycle looked like then?
I remember doing 2 cycles a year. Suggestions?

2.How about that thing i heard microdosing test c sub cutaneous?
Is that a thing done these days?

3. Labs, are they expensive these days? How would I set up for a specific test list. Is that 8ns covered now a day? Trying figure that out.

4. For good AI, what would you recommend?


Again. Thank you very much.

Everybody already answered most of these.

1. Start around 300mg/wk Test and maybe jump to 400-500mg week after first bloodwork.

2. Yes. Its a thing. Some do, some dont. Most still are IM and not subq. They do it to maintain levels and make them consistent but 2x a week Test Cyp is fine IM. This is a controversial topic. The ones that do it, love it. The ones that dont, kinda think it doesnt make sense. Mostly used for TRT and not cycles.

3. There are alot of online places to get labs ordered. They are dependent on availability in your areas. Some sites will have labs, some will not. You can search the forum, but I'll try to link a couple of threads about this topic. Depending on what test you order, expect $150-$400. Basic cycle test is in the $150ish range. $400 would be a full health panel.

4. Aromasin. No one will disagree with this.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Threads about bloodwork labs. Search the forum, there are plenty more.

BTW, welcome back.

Thread 'Cheapest way to get Labs/Bloodwork w/out Dr?'

Jan 14, 2026

I understand you can order tests from Quest web site, but that seems pricey, any other options without seeing a doctor? Thank you!

• pcf
• Replies: 7
• Forum: Lab Testing

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Thread 'New member!!!! Bloodwork advice.'

Nov 9, 2023

Any recommendations for places to get blood work done?

• CheechFLB
• Replies: 4
• Forum: New Members

 

[ciaka_express]

If you're on TRT you don't need to go on PCT, just blast and cruise.

What is your current TRT dosage? I'd start at 300mg of just Test then get some bloods after 8 weeks and maybe jump to 400. and add in primo or mast at a 2:1 if your ultra senstive E2 is high. Then run that for another 12+ weeks or until you need to come off. Then just go back to TRT

I got put on 200mg every 14 days by the doctor. Test C.
Being me, I sucked every drop of each vial (1mL vials), which is really over 1.5cc (hey, you pay for it, might as well use it).
After 6 weeks had bloods done (maybe can find and post up for some baseline here, would that help?)

My test went to 992, then she told me to reduce (stretch intervals to 21 days).
So one i buy some, I'll likely stop the doctor visits then after I stop, may restart..although once I'm paying it would be same thing anyway regardless where test came from.

Im thinking now, yeah starting 300mg for few weeks, then add primo. Been trying to scope primo 175mg, really the higher the better (less volume im).
Now need to find place to get, I see those sponsor suppliers, don't know how they are, just want something reliable, faster than 1 month shipping.

For perspective to some of yall here, when I was in this life, you couldn't just pop out a phone and get the internet going.
The BEST version of internet was dial up 28.8kbps -my lightning, from land line. Lol. And I couldn't just walk into a library and ask for my friendly supplier directory either. Hmmm, life has changed for the better for sure.

 

[ciaka_express]

Everybody already answered most of these.

1. Start around 300mg/wk Test and maybe jump to 400-500mg week after first bloodwork.

2. Yes. Its a thing. Some do, some dont. Most still are IM and not subq. They do it to maintain levels and make them consistent but 2x a week Test Cyp is fine IM. This is a controversial topic. The ones that do it, love it. The ones that dont, kinda think it doesnt make sense. Mostly used for TRT and not cycles.

3. There are alot of online places to get labs ordered. They are dependent on availability in your areas. Some sites will have labs, some will not. You can search the forum, but I'll try to link a couple of threads about this topic. Depending on what test you order, expect $150-$400. Basic cycle test is in the $150ish range. $400 would be a full health panel.

4. Aromasin. No one will disagree with this.

Super awesome, great thanks for reply.
Checking for details on labs now.
Prolly will get the doc issue another set of test c then will add stash from. My purchase, add primo, aromasin and pct tabs (told not needed, trying understand why...cause I'm old now? Lol). Not that I plan having kids (got snipped after 3 thank god), but good to produce your own if I can no?

Also checking that sponsor too, annoying how some want crypto, whatever happened to good old cc (i got virtual cards for security too so prefer cc).

 

[ciaka_express]

Would that be good enough panel for blood work?
Any one critical missing or one i can skip?
Tx for advice.

 

[ciaka_express]

Just realized astro95 gave me what he takes. Is this a standard set or more expansive.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

pct tabs (told not needed, trying understand why...cause I'm old now?

No, you dont need it. Yes, because you're old. Think of it like this...

Your Ballon deflated and most of the air is gone. Now you have to put artificial air back in your balloon because it just wont pump its own air anymore. A PCT is to remove the artifical air and so that your balloon doesnt lose its natural ability to inflate itself, but wait a minute, yours is already broken. Why do you want it to return to a natural state of being deflated?

The balloon is your nuts. The air is your testosterone. When you are 20 years old, this makes sense, but as you stated your air pump is already broken. Its old now. A PCT is to "put it back like it was." In your case, "super low, under 300." Yeah, good luck with that. Who TF wants to go back to that? Same for me.

So again, no you dont need a PCT. Don't waste your money. Now you're just at the blast/cruise age. You can increase your Test levels for a few weeks, then just back to normal TRT levels, but this is for health reasons, not nut reasons.

Hope this analogy helps you understand. Just accept it like we all have to, your nuts are flat, they dont pump air on their own anymore. The air pump is old and worn out. There's nothing to go back to.

 

[ciaka_express]

What is this? Forum doesn't let you edit own posts after a duration? Lol.
Just realized I have labs from my late nov/dec visit.
Should be enough to baseline, but missing few. Estrogen one of them.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

What is this? Forum doesn't let you edit own posts after a duration? Lol.

About 5 minutes. Thats the edit window and then you're locked in.

 

[ciaka_express]

No, you dont need it. Yes, because you're old. Think of it like this...

Your Ballon deflated and most of the air is gone. Now you have to put artificial air back in your balloon because it just wont pump its own air anymore. A PCT is to remove the artifical air and so that your balloon doesnt lose its natural ability to inflate itself, but wait a minute, yours is already broken. Why do you want it to return to a natural state of being deflated?

The balloon is your nuts. The air is your testosterone. When you are 20 years old, this makes sense, but as you stated your air pump is already broken. Its old now. A PCT is to "put it back like it was." In your case, "super low, under 300." Yeah, good luck with that. Who TF wants to go back to that? Same for me.

So again, no you dont need a PCT. Don't waste your money. Now you're just at the blast/cruise age. You can increase your Test levels for a few weeks, then just back to normal TRT levels, but this is for health reasons, not nut reasons.

Hope this analogy helps you understand. Just accept it like we all have to, your nuts are flat, they dont pump air on their own anymore. The air pump is old and worn out. There's nothing to go back to.

Love it. Lol.
Yeah, I knew, guess triple checking (my engineer talking).
Still gotta watch the estrogen.
Went to couple sponsors but their 10mL vials all out of stock, damn they must go fast.
Guess when I buy I'll try to stock for a year, maybe 1.5, dep on expirations.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Love it. Lol.
Yeah, I knew, guess triple checking (my engineer talking).
Still gotta watch the estrogen.
Went to couple sponsors but their 10mL vials all out of stock, damn they must go fast.
Guess when I buy I'll try to stock for a year, maybe 1.5, dep on expirations.

I'm a ME. I get it.

What are you looking for?

 

[ciaka_express]

Im looking for
test c 250 (or if there's stronger) in 10mL vials
Primo (strongest avail) in 10mL vials (that one may live with singles)
Aromasin.

Been away long time, someone said there were scams going on with primo, so wondering if there's good substitute.
Looking for 12-16 week. Then maybe should get off for couple months, then back on.

 

[Big_Jimmy434]

Im looking for
test c 250 (or if there's stronger) in 10mL vials
Primo (strongest avail) in 10mL vials (that one may live with singles)
Aromasin.

Been away long time, someone said there were scams going on with primo, so wondering if there's good substitute.
Looking for 12-16 week. Then maybe should get off for couple months, then back on.

I'll explain this because youre new and an engineer so you'll want to know all the info. The way it works here. There are sponsors and almost every sponsor has a "Rep." The rep is your direct access contact person. Have a question? Rep. Have an issue? Rep. Always contact the rep first. They are your first line of help. If they dont have a website, most dont, you can go to the sponsor forum and theyll have instructions on how to access "the list." Some have a link, some will send it to you if you ask.

Now, there are alot of solid sponsors that have Test Cyp in stock. Its going to be 250mg/ml. That's the standard. You're new to the game and getting higher concentrations hurt. You can get up to 400mg/ml but the Post Injection Pain (PIP) is brutal. Most people dont do it.

There is big AAS drama over quality and fake gear. Primo is stupid expensive right now. Most people have made the decision to stay away. If this is your first real old man cycle, just run one compound. Test only until you get your new old body figured out.

There are alot of solid sponsors, with good reps, that should have Test Cyp in stock. AA Solutions, Azteca, Dutch, Purity Source, Iron Lion, SB Labs, Stellar.

I just ordered from SB and checked their list so I know they have it. The others you'll have to check and contact their rep.

 

[bigrond]

Super awesome, great thanks for reply.
Checking for details on labs now.
Prolly will get the doc issue another set of test c then will add stash from. My purchase, add primo, aromasin and pct tabs (told not needed, trying understand why...cause I'm old now? Lol). Not that I plan having kids (got snipped after 3 thank god), but good to produce your own if I can no?

Also checking that sponsor too, annoying how some want crypto, whatever happened to good old cc (i got virtual cards for security too so prefer cc).

As already stated if you are on trt you are not making you own test so pct is not a requirement. I am also old last cycle at 37 almost 20 yrs ago and just got introduced to this new crypto crap but it's not to bad once you get it sorted out. the reps here were super helpful with that and walked me through the process. I too have started a test only cycle to get back at it and restore some of my lost muscle. planning next round already lol. good luck with yours.

 

[ciaka_express]

Yeah. I just bought near 700 worth for the next few weeks.
Got the cash app, paid with bitcoin. I see the order showing shipped.
Wonder how fast the shipping will be, and it it really comes from usa ship locations.
Well.

Did not get primo, subbed in with decades, but in all likelihood will start test c 250 only, then add deca 200. Got aromasin too.
Next for me, finding a place that will get blood work orders to a lab near my house - cpl or clinical pathology labs. Most orders places I saw, talk quest. Etc. Not sure if it matters what lab I take orders to ir not.
Hoping to be ready within a week. Im thinking just stop doc visits now for trt.
It still costs $ and not at the volume I need to succeed (8mL or so would cost about 60, similar to one vial so not worth the wait).