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What are thoughts on running the below? Should I be mixing in shorter esters? If so why, what, and how much/often?
That’s the part I can’t figure out…

Any other changes you’d make? Goal is cutting and maintaining as much lean mass as possible. Lift 5-6x/wk and cardio 2-3x/wk for 30-40min.

500mg Test C / wk
400mg Mast E / wk
200mg Tren E / wk
6mg Reta / wk
40mcg clen 5x / wk pre-workout

Add 25mg winny the last 6-8 weeks

39 yrs old. Started Reta 1.5mo ago. Been on 250mg test the past 8-9mo. Started Mast E 3 weeks ago at 200mg / wk.

Weight down from 215 to 197, BF down from 25% to 21%. Strength great and feel great.

Goal to get down around 185-190 at around 12% BF

Shit, I’d be down to hire someone really knowledgeable in this space to look at my bloodwork, recommend cycles, PCT, the whole nine yards.
Takers??
 
Ms1986 said:
What are thoughts on running the below? Should I be mixing in shorter esters? If so why, what, and how much/often?
That’s the part I can’t figure out…

Any other changes you’d make? Goal is cutting and maintaining as much lean mass as possible. Lift 5-6x/wk and cardio 2-3x/wk for 30-40min.

500mg Test C / wk
400mg Mast E / wk
200mg Tren E / wk
6mg Reta / wk
40mcg clen 5x / wk pre-workout

Add 25mg winny the last 6-8 weeks

39 yrs old. Started Reta 1.5mo ago. Been on 250mg test the past 8-9mo. Started Mast E 3 weeks ago at 200mg / wk.

Weight down from 215 to 197, BF down from 25% to 21%. Strength great and feel great.

Goal to get down around 185-190 at around 12% BF

Shit, I’d be down to hire someone really knowledgeable in this space to look at my bloodwork, recommend cycles, PCT, the whole nine yards.
Takers??
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Still too much bodyfat. Cardio EVERY DAY. Clen every day, and we know nothing about your food intake. The anabolics are fine, but you gotta be in a caloric deficit of some kind…. And forget about the winny.
 
I ran 180mg of test per week for a year and dropped 78lbs and almost 20% bodyfat and I didn’t add any extra stuff until the last 2 months to help with the last 14lbs.

You definitely don’t need all those drugs to do it you could achieve your goal with reta and half the dose of test as long as your diet is correct
 
Ms1986 said:
What are thoughts on running the below? Should I be mixing in shorter esters? If so why, what, and how much/often?
That’s the part I can’t figure out…

Any other changes you’d make? Goal is cutting and maintaining as much lean mass as possible. Lift 5-6x/wk and cardio 2-3x/wk for 30-40min.

500mg Test C / wk
400mg Mast E / wk
200mg Tren E / wk
6mg Reta / wk
40mcg clen 5x / wk pre-workout

Add 25mg winny the last 6-8 weeks

39 yrs old. Started Reta 1.5mo ago. Been on 250mg test the past 8-9mo. Started Mast E 3 weeks ago at 200mg / wk.

Weight down from 215 to 197, BF down from 25% to 21%. Strength great and feel great.

Goal to get down around 185-190 at around 12% BF

Shit, I’d be down to hire someone really knowledgeable in this space to look at my bloodwork, recommend cycles, PCT, the whole nine yards.
Takers??
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You may not like some of what has been said, but it’s good advice. Dial it back on the AAS and put your primary focus on your nutrition and training/cardio. Sometimes less really is more. My recommendation is the same as several others have said. Run a modest TRT dose of test and focus on dialing in your nutrition to a caloric deficit and training your ass off and get plenty of cardio in every week. Eliminating fat is not a sprint. You didn’t put it on fast and it doesn’t come off fast no matter how many PED’s you take.
 
Appreciate the feedback. Diet is actually very clean and has been for at least the last year. Alcohol basically gone, too.

I agree I could do more cardio but man that shit is just boring! What’s the go to cardio recommendations? hiit? Slow paced for 45-60min? combo of both?
Target HR around 145-155?
 
Ms1986 said:
Appreciate the feedback. Diet is actually very clean and has been for at least the last year. Alcohol basically gone, too.

I agree I could do more cardio but man that shit is just boring! What’s the go to cardio recommendations? hiit? Slow paced for 45-60min? combo of both?
Target HR around 145-155?
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What is caloric intake? Doesn't matter clean or not if you are eating in a surplus.
 
Ms1986 said:
Appreciate the feedback. Diet is actually very clean and has been for at least the last year. Alcohol basically gone, too.

I agree I could do more cardio but man that shit is just boring! What’s the go to cardio recommendations? hiit? Slow paced for 45-60min? combo of both?
Target HR around 145-155?
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If you’re having to do a ton of cardio to drop weight and you’re at 20% bodyfat you’re clearly over eating.

Doesn’t matter if you’re eating clean it matters if you’re eating the correct amount of food.
 
From your numbers it looks like about 1/3 of the weight you have lost is muscle. I would look your diet and made rethink your strategy.
 
balin said:
From your numbers it looks like about 1/3 of the weight you have lost is muscle. I would look your diet and made rethink your strategy.
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4lbs of muscle of the 20 I’ve lost. Maybe I’m too ambitious as it’s been less than 2 months.
 
balin said:
From your numbers it looks like about 1/3 of the weight you have lost is muscle. I would look your diet and made rethink your strategy.
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I would put zero weight in those BF%s. Probably done on something like an in body scan.
 
Wardamn said:
I would put zero weight in those BF%s. Probably done on something like an in body scan.
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I don't i just go with what is provided.
I remember long ago seeing a report from a pro BBer using the state of the art Hydrostatic measurements at that time showing he had negative %of body fat. So i guess he was supposed to gain some to be up to zero.
Ms1986 said:
4lbs of muscle of the 20 I’ve lost. Maybe I’m too ambitious as it’s been less than 2 months.
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So by that 20% of what you have lost has been muscle. How much has been water?
 
Body water’s gone up 2.5% but yea who knows how accurate this body scanner is. at least trends are looking good week over week.
 

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