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Opinion on this cycle?

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Hi, Im so curious what do you think about this cycle for off season. Example: i've been running 500 test P, 200 Masterone P for several months and for a period of two months id like to add some dbol 20/30mg/daily in order to gain as much strenght as possible and at the end of dbol phase just check my PRs. What do you think guys about running masterone and dbol simultaneously? I'm running mast cause dont have access to good primo and on deka/npp i feel like shit. What is more, mast gives me great recovery after heavy dlifts/squats, and i feel really good. It also helps me to maintain quite lean physique which in my case is awesome cause I tend to gain a lot of fat and water in the blink of an eye.
Coming back to dbol, maybe i should just increase test to lets say 700 and mast to 300 in order not to mess up my liver, digestion and most important appetite.
What are your thoughts about it? All the advices are welcome!
 
I think you need to give way more information for us to even begin to try and answer your questions ..
Age, experience, current health and cycle history..
Also,goals,stats and so On..
No talk of bloodwork or AI use..
If you want a dialed in Replies..
Z...
 
What Z said

Also 2 months on dbol is a long time. I`d cut that in half bc like most oral steroids it is liver toxic and it typically ran 4 weeks. 6 weeks tops. Dbol is a BIG estrogen converter. If you use it make sure you have an AI (aromatase inhibitor) on hand.

Mast has estrogen blocking properties but 200mg of it with 500 test likely won`t be enough estrogen management for that dbol. Also dbol does not just convert to regular estrogen. It converts to a harsher estrogen. Methyl estridial.

There are much better options than dbol for size and strength imo.
 
Matt88 said:
What Z said

Also 2 months on dbol is a long time. I`d cut that in half bc like most oral steroids it is liver toxic and it typically ran 4 weeks. 6 weeks tops. Dbol is a BIG estrogen converter. If you use it make sure you have an AI (aromatase inhibitor) on hand.

Mast has estrogen blocking properties but 200mg of it with 500 test likely won`t be enough estrogen management for that dbol. Also dbol does not just convert to regular estrogen. It converts to a harsher estrogen. Methyl estridial.

There are much better options than dbol for size and strength imo.
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I think today oral toxicities are over dramatized. In the 80s and 90s we all did orals for 3-4 months straight and nobody had liver issues. Many of us still work out, have kids, good careers, etc etc.. and some of us still use AAS including orals. If I get liver cancer/failure now in myu 60s it's probably more likely from good Italian wine for the last 50 years.
 
Glycomann said:
I think today oral toxicities are over dramatized. In the 80s and 90s we all did orals for 3-4 months straight and nobody had liver issues. Many of us still work out, have kids, good careers, etc etc.. and some of us still use AAS including orals. If I get liver cancer/failure now in myu 60s it's probably more likely from good Italian wine for the last 50 years.
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That`s fair. I guess for me it`s a mental thing bc seeing liver enzymes in triple digits on paper just seems like a very bad thing in my mind but what you are saying makes great sense and is very reasonable. Working in the medical field when I would normally see that on the job it`s on a patient who is very acutely sick so it just sticks in my brain as a "bad thing". Much respect sir.
 
Matt88 said:
That`s fair. I guess for me it`s a mental thing bc seeing liver enzymes in triple digits on paper just seems like a very bad thing in my mind but what you are saying makes great sense and is very reasonable. Working in the medical field when I would normally see that on the job it`s on a patient who is very acutely sick so it just sticks in my brain as a "bad thing". Much respect sir.
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You know I never saw my liver values go up but I usually checked off cycle. just thinking of all my friends back in the day and the pros from the 70s and 80s that used a lot of orals. Most of us/them really have little issue unless really cranking things up. I do remember in the last 10 years or so some guys really pushing orals like 100-150 gm a day and I have seen some bile duct issues and gall bladder but we never really went very high back then except maybe the rare abuser. There really was/is no reason to. If you can put on 25 lbs with a little deca and 30 mg/d dianabol there is no reason to shoot the moon with 100-150 mg/d. I see the high dose oral stuff these days though especially in contest prep.
 
Glycomann said:
I think today oral toxicities are over dramatized. In the 80s and 90s we all did orals for 3-4 months straight and nobody had liver issues. Many of us still work out, have kids, good careers, etc etc.. and some of us still use AAS including orals. If I get liver cancer/failure now in myu 60s it's probably more likely from good Italian wine for the last 50 years.
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To be fair, the best thing is to get bloodwork to monitor liver values as people will react to dbol differently. Also keeping an AI handy in case estro gets out of control.
 
I remember seeing guys eat an entire bottle of searle anavar back in the day.... but they were only 2.5mg tabs.
I used em, but maybe 10 at a time at the most...
But to the Op... 6 weeks is good enough to run dbol... it comes on fast, so no worries
No need for a big dose either... or else you'll run into the sides everyone is talking about
 
Glycomann said:
I think today oral toxicities are over dramatized. In the 80s and 90s we all did orals for 3-4 months straight and nobody had liver issues. Many of us still work out, have kids, good careers, etc etc.. and some of us still use AAS including orals. If I get liver cancer/failure now in myu 60s it's probably more likely from good Italian wine for the last 50 years.
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Yeah...
But back then..no one did Bloodwork to see what was what..!!
And..no AI's...

Fast Forward to Today..
We know 17aka is harmful and damaging..
Dose,Duration and Frequency..!!
Above 40..extra caution is required..and organ support..
Which No one did... abusing Orals..
It's a whole different world..Today..!!

Health First..if you want to stay in the Game..Beyond 50..
Z...
 
zionoir626 said:
Yeah...
But back then..no one did Bloodwork to see what was what..!!
And..no AI's...

Fast Forward to Today..
We know 17aka is harmful and damaging..
Dose,Duration and Frequency..!!
Above 40..extra caution is required..and organ support..
Which No one did... abusing Orals..
It's a whole different world..Today..!!

Health First..if you want to stay in the Game..Beyond 50..
Z...
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What dosages are you and your close buddies using where you are seeing liver values go up significantly out of range? Back then nobody showed signs of liver damage. Again we used lower doses than a lot of guys today and we went completely off for months between cycles. Big differences.
 
Drol was the big one..
Young guys doing 100-150mgs a day..
Mainly it was not respecting the compounds and just being stupid and foolish..
Z...
 

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